Three Muslim Students Murdered at UNC

[Subyman]

From what I've seen it was a parking dispute, nothing more. The narrative of "man-without-god" gunning down muslims is more news worthy though. I guess Green Bean got what he wanted.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

patently false

Yep, and police wouldn't be called murderers before the facts were in. Nope, never happen.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

From what I've seen it was a parking dispute, nothing more. The narrative of "man-without-god" gunning down muslims is more news worthy though. I guess Green Bean got what he wanted.

His hatred of people like them might hot have been the issue. He may have just murdered without prejudice.

 

[DrPizza]

If you shovel out a parking spot and someone steals it, that ought to galvanize you to work much much harder shoveling out the rest of the parking lot and piling every last chunk of snow against that car - not to kill someone.

 

[rudeguy]

Murder is wrong, but would the murder have happened if they didn't "look muslim"? If yes then there's not much more to be said than this guy is killer but if parking was more of an excuse then a reason then I don't think that can be ignored.

So murdering someone based on race=concern
Murdering someone over a parking spot=no concern?

I'm really trying to understand here but I think I'm a quart low on coffee and IQ

 

[boomerang]

Too many are the dancing marionette at the end of the strings the media pulls. Bad shit happens all the time all around the globe. How many murders occurred in Detroit and Chicago recently? Does anyone care? No, because those strings aren't being manipulated by the media.

The other thread with the OP whining because our media didn't respond quickly enough for his tastes failed to realize that the top echelon in the news organizations had to determine the narrative for this situation, they had to decide the spin that would produce the desired result.

Wacko kills three Christians - not news.
Wacko kills three Mormons - not news.
Wacko kills three white folks - not news. Unless there were some kinky aspects to the killings.
Wacko kills three black folks and the perp is white or maybe a white hispanic - that's news.
Wacko kills three Muslims and that my friends is big news.

Dance, dance, dance.

 

[rudeguy]

Too many are the dancing marionette at the end of the strings the media pulls. Bad shit happens all the time all around the globe. How many murders occurred in Detroit and Chicago recently? Does anyone care? No, because those strings aren't being manipulated by the media.

Chicago only had one murder and 8 injuries from shootings last weekend. That's down from 3 murders and 23 injuries from the weekend before.

 

[blastingcap]

So murdering someone based on race=concern
Murdering someone over a parking spot=no concern?

I'm really trying to understand here but I think I'm a quart low on coffee and IQ

I don't think he said it's no concern.

 

[realibrad]

So murdering someone based on race=concern
Murdering someone over a parking spot=no concern?

I'm really trying to understand here but I think I'm a quart low on coffee and IQ

Some people seem to think that murdering someone for race is worse than murdering someone for a parking spot.

I don't, but many do. Its why we have hate crimes. Punishments for crimes is not enough, when you can extra punish.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

So murdering someone based on race=concern
Murdering someone over a parking spot=no concern?

I'm really trying to understand here but I think I'm a quart low on coffee and IQ

No, I already said murder is murder, but you cannot ignore motive. Suppose you parked in this guys spot and you weren't Muslim and he didn't shoot you, then what? You didn't die.

Given the same scenario but you are Muslim and you DO get murdered then this nut killed you when he would otherwise not have.

If you get shot just for parking, then you just die more simply.

Considering that what is done is done the charge is murder and should be in any of the above scenarios, but the implications and meaning of what happen change. I don't think being willfully ignorant of circumstance is a smart thing.

 

[boomerang]

Chicago only had one murder and 8 injuries from shootings last weekend. That's down from 3 murders and 23 injuries from the weekend before.

My question was rhetorical in nature. And I'm not saying that people shouldn't have interest in topics and the desire to discuss them. I'm just pointing out that I hope people are aware of the degree to which the media manipulates them. You hear what they want you to hear and most definitely in the manner they feel suits their agenda.

 

[inachu]

The funny part everyone is acting out the victims actions.

From the shooters side he validated it in his mind that killing was worth it.
If he went that far it then also meant the victims went that far to push him.
This seems to be a recurrence with the man which is why he shot them.

HEY AKBAR I told you not to park there! If the victims were that callous and or lacking any empathy then it is a mixed bag of hate on both sides.

 

[Subyman]

So murdering someone based on race=concern
Murdering someone over a parking spot=no concern?

I'm really trying to understand here but I think I'm a quart low on coffee and IQ

I think it depends really. On a small scale, some bigot shooting down race-xyz is just as bad as a road rage murder. But if there are many stories of a large number of bigots shooting a particular race then it could be a systemic issue that needs to be addressed.

 

[Jaskalas]

Screw the motivation and condemn the murderer.

 

[realibrad]

The funny part everyone is acting out the victims actions.

From the shooters side he validated it in his mind that killing was worth it.
If he went that far it then also meant the victims went that far to push him.
This seems to be a recurrence with the man which is why he shot them.

HEY AKBAR I told you not to park there! If the victims were that callous and or lacking any empathy then it is a mixed bag of hate on both sides.

That presupposition is wrong. People can be murdered for many reasons that had nothing to do with their actions. If this was about race, then you cannot say the victim did anything wrong. I see no reason to blame victims before the facts come out.

 

[blastingcap]

Screw the motivation and condemn the murderer.

Technically not murder. Murder is something proven in a court of law beyond a reasonable doubt. But I know what you mean. Condemn the violence and homicides.

 

[Jaskalas]

Technically not murder.

The expected and demanded outcome is guilty on three counts of first degree murder. Based on the circumstances as I know them, I am also comfortable with the death penalty for this case.

 

[blastingcap]

The expected and demanded outcome is guilty on three counts of first degree murder. Based on the circumstances as I know them, I am also comfortable with the death penalty for this case.

With such an attitude I'm sure you'll be a shoo-in to make it onto the jury.

But yeah it looks like premeditated murder and possibly a hate crime.

 

[rudeguy]

I think it depends really. On a small scale, some bigot shooting down race-xyz is just as bad as a road rage murder. But if there are many stories of a large number of bigots shooting a particular race then it could be a systemic issue that needs to be addressed.

Gotcha

But I don't recall this being a trend. Do you hype this as a trend before there is a trend?

I hope this shooter gets justice. I just don't understand why his motive is so important. If it was because of race he is a piece of shit. If it was over a parking space, he is a piece of shit.

 

[Subyman]

Gotcha

But I don't recall this being a trend. Do you hype this as a trend before there is a trend?

I hope this shooter gets justice. I just don't understand why his motive is so important. If it was because of race he is a piece of shit. If it was over a parking space, he is a piece of shit.

Nah, I don't see this as a trend at all. I'm just answering your question about "does race matter in a murder?" I think it does depending on the larger trends, but not individual cases. This case is not at all showing the narrative some people would like it to.

He is definitely a piece of shit.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Gotcha

But I don't recall this being a trend. Do you hype this as a trend before there is a trend?

I hope this shooter gets justice. I just don't understand why his motive is so important. If it was because of race he is a piece of shit. If it was over a parking space, he is a piece of shit.

It's funny when the topic of motive comes up for this type of circumstance. Not saying you in particular, but the people who usually decry the use of the label "Hate Crime" usually are the first to label something "Terrorism". Both are murder etc... yet one label is acceptable and one is not.

If we make an issue when someone uses their religion as the basis for their motivation, which obviously happens to an exhausting extent, then I see no problem in making it an issue when someone uses another persons race as their motivation.

 

[schmuckley]

Title is misleading.
Not murdered @ UNC..
Murdered @ apartment complex over parking spot dispute.
Guy is Atheist..
I guess in his objective morality he felt it was OK to do what he did.
No God;No standard for morality.

 

[Darwin333]

So before the conservatives come in here claiming it's proof that atheists are violent or whatever, as an atheist I condemn this man's actions on behalf of the community.

Why we must state the obvious must is retarded but this.

 

[Darwin333]

Title is misleading.
Not murdered @ UNC..
Murdered @ apartment complex over parking spot dispute.
Guy is Atheist..
I guess in his objective morality he felt it was OK to do what he did.

The VAST majority of murderers in the US believe in Christ, so I guess they thought the same thing.

 

[schmuckley]

The VAST majority of murders in the US believe in Christ, so I guess they thought the same thing.

How does a plural noun believe in Christ?


noun
plural noun: murders

1. 1.
   the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
   "the stabbing murder of an off-Broadway producer"
   synonyms:killing, homicide, assassination, liquidation, extermination, execution, slaughter, butchery, massacre; Moremanslaughter;
   literaryslaying
   "a brutal murder"
   • informal
     a very difficult or unpleasant task or experience.
     "my first job at the steel mill was murder"
     synonyms:hell, hell on earth, a nightmare, an ordeal, a trial, misery, torture, agony "driving there was murder"
     
     verb