Hayabusa Rider
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That's not really what happened, however.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...r-nuclear-agreement-white-house-a8459901.html
Trump's assignment is to wreak havoc on our relationships with the ROTW to leave room for Russian diplomacy & action. He's doing a great job.
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I said that earlier - everyone (specifically our POTUS) is focused on the "war" part and not the "peace" part. When you remove the peace portion and take the war portion out of context, it certainly sounds like a malevolent threat. But together, it sounds more like a "hey, we can have it either way." comment.
sandorski
No Lifer
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This article title on Esquire pretty much sums up where we are. We've devolved to playground chest pounding for diplomacy.
The U.S. President Is Screaming at Another Country in All Caps on the Internet
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a22514312/donald-trump-iran-threat-twitter-all-caps/
The U.S. President Is Screaming at Another Country in All Caps on the Internet
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a22514312/donald-trump-iran-threat-twitter-all-caps/
The Merg
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My thinking is that this is gaslighting by Trump to steer us away for his most recent Twitter rant about Russia. I’m actually surprised it hasn’t made more news.
He posted that Russian interference was a hoax and that if it was real why didn’t Obama do anything about it at the time. So, those statements that he has full confidence in our intelligence agencies and that the Russians did interfere (although it “could have been others”) definitely seems to be what he believes, right?
- Merg
He posted that Russian interference was a hoax and that if it was real why didn’t Obama do anything about it at the time. So, those statements that he has full confidence in our intelligence agencies and that the Russians did interfere (although it “could have been others”) definitely seems to be what he believes, right?
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I'm pretty sure he has tweeted things along that same line about 1 billion times thus far.
The Merg
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Very possible, but not immediately after saying Russia wasn’t involved, then that he misspoke and Russia was, and then saying it was all a hoax.
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We need a take-off from this with the Trump baby balloon-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ctgn7kKYHo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ctgn7kKYHo
Fern
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Uh no. Here's an early article below. Iran's financial problems have accelerated and there is continuing widespread discontentment in Iran. By virtue of the USA pulling out Iran's banking has been FUBAR'd.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/08/world/middleeast/iran-crisis-nuclear-deal.html
Fern
Unfortunately not everyone knows this. There wouldn't be any problems with Iran if the US just didn't meddle and install the Shah. Iran was actually quite modern and secular and they are far more extremist now.
Iran is trying to move in the direction of being more modern & secular but Trump wants to drive them back into the arms of their own extremists.
Wow. Agreeing with a post Incorruptible made. I feel dirty. I need a shower.
Trump is just an all around shameful disgrace. By all indications, Iran was sticking firmly to the deal as made. It got us what we wanted, too- an Iran not armed with nuclear weapons for the foreseeable future. We have the most reasonable govt in Iran that we've seen in a long time. We have a very high level of cooperation with most of the other members of the 5+1, as well.
Why America would want to fuck that up is beyond my comprehension. What's in it for us?
Why America would want to fuck that up is beyond my comprehension. What's in it for us?
BonzaiDuck
Lifer
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Certainly that's a good question, but you know the answer that derails it. what's in it for us isn't an operating consideration.
what's in it for Trump still demonstrates the self-destructive, self-contradictory nature of his mind. He's frustrated now about both the Russia investigation and the ancillary developments with the Cohen tapes. So flaming at Iran is his safety valve for blowing off steam.
Unfortunately, it's not safe. There is no safety. This evening, Lawrence O'Donnell asserted that Trump is all full of bluster and never follows through. He says that Trump has proven not to be a homicidal maniac willing to kill millions in his own orgy of reckoning.
But O'Donnell doesn't know that to any dead certainty. It's all very uncertain. Uncertainty is risk, and a lot of people -- some with health problems -- have to suffer through this endless stream of anxiety.
Oh -- almost forgot. Trump will do his best to upend the agreement with Iran for a totally unrelated reason: Obama was black; everything Obama did is wrong; and Trump must erase the Obama legacy.
How much of a legacy would you want to leave in place, on the other hand, if it's the legacy of an arch-traitor?
SP33Demon
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Hey, nothing wrong with that seeing how most of the world needs us b/c of the dollar. So define "rogue", and why we weren't considered "rogue" under obama while he was droning his enemies on foreign soil without UN approval? lmao
SP33Demon
Lifer
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^^^projecting that black and white racism again? JFC get back on your meds or soemthing
sportage
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Trump still hates the fact Obama tried to make a deal with Iran.
And Iran likes their money and doesn't want that locked away.
AND...and... AND... "IF" there were a war it would probably be a nuclear war.
AND... how that would happen is with some unholy alliance between Iran and ??? coming into play.
Might be Iran + N Korea, but doubtful.
Might be Iran + the Soviet Union. Much more likely. MUCH!
Or... an unholy alliance between Iran and countries unknown (at this point).
What we really need to be concerned about is with those UNHOLY- ALLIANCES coming into play. A scenario where 1+1 = nukes to America.
Or 1+ 2 or 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 = nukes to America.
Like I say, it is ALWAYS worse than anyone had dared to guess.
To assume some unholy alliance could never come about leading to a real nuclear threat against America is foolish to assume.
We have no idea where Iran is with their nuclear program.
We have no idea if Putin and Iran might find common ground to challenge America.
We have no idea which nuclear enabled Middle Eastern nation might already have the ability of full nuclear war against the west.
We really have no idea.
If one single nuke hit anywhere within US territory, Trump would be crapping in his pants and the rest of America wondering if tomorrow will come.
THAT happening would make 9/11 look like a day in the park.
And if anyone can screw up, Donald Trump can screw up.
Donald Trump is no JFK.
Should another similar Cuban Missile crisis event come about, we are totally screwed.
We ALL realize that.... I hope.
Do we really trust Donald Trump to "think" us thru such an impending disaster?
As JFK successfully did?
Hell. Trump would allow America to go up in smoke as Donald flew off in his private jet seeking new realestate opportunities over in foreign lands.
Donald has the money to escape. And he wouldn't care.
And Iran likes their money and doesn't want that locked away.
AND...and... AND... "IF" there were a war it would probably be a nuclear war.
AND... how that would happen is with some unholy alliance between Iran and ??? coming into play.
Might be Iran + N Korea, but doubtful.
Might be Iran + the Soviet Union. Much more likely. MUCH!
Or... an unholy alliance between Iran and countries unknown (at this point).
What we really need to be concerned about is with those UNHOLY- ALLIANCES coming into play. A scenario where 1+1 = nukes to America.
Or 1+ 2 or 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 = nukes to America.
Like I say, it is ALWAYS worse than anyone had dared to guess.
To assume some unholy alliance could never come about leading to a real nuclear threat against America is foolish to assume.
We have no idea where Iran is with their nuclear program.
We have no idea if Putin and Iran might find common ground to challenge America.
We have no idea which nuclear enabled Middle Eastern nation might already have the ability of full nuclear war against the west.
We really have no idea.
If one single nuke hit anywhere within US territory, Trump would be crapping in his pants and the rest of America wondering if tomorrow will come.
THAT happening would make 9/11 look like a day in the park.
And if anyone can screw up, Donald Trump can screw up.
Donald Trump is no JFK.
Should another similar Cuban Missile crisis event come about, we are totally screwed.
We ALL realize that.... I hope.
Do we really trust Donald Trump to "think" us thru such an impending disaster?
As JFK successfully did?
Hell. Trump would allow America to go up in smoke as Donald flew off in his private jet seeking new realestate opportunities over in foreign lands.
Donald has the money to escape. And he wouldn't care.
SP33Demon
Lifer
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JFC, do you really think Trump has to do the thinking? He has a bevy of advisors who tweet for him and give him his options. At that level of power there isn't much thinking required, most of it would be done by the military and its ground truthed intel where the Donald is given 2 or 3 options and he picks one.
Engineer
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