Thoughts on the minimum wage hike that is set to begin in 2020?

[Vic]

should have written, tax payer funded. i bet it would be save overall to fund trade schools, and you could see a decrease in unemployment benefits or other social programs.

fuck sake, cant say anything in here without someone calling you out for having a damn idea. it's why nothing will ever happen in the fucking country. everyone is too worried about there idea being "right" and wont listen or try anything else.

So what you're saying is that you believe that you should be able to express an idea, and that no one should be allowed to disagree with you (call you out on it)? And that the fact the people do have the free speech right to disagree with you is what's wrong with this fucking country?

WTF

 

[theeedude]

I am just looking forward to the bullshit that right-wing "economists" are going to spew when their dire predictions don't materialize, and states with minimum wage increases outperform idiot states that listened to them.

 

[Vic]

I am just looking forward to the bullshit that right-wing "economists" are going to spew when their dire predictions don't materialize, and states with minimum wage increases outperform idiot states that listened to them.

IMO that's already happened (for example, Seattle and NYC), and they just keep repeating the same failed pseudoeconomic bullshit.
The problem IMO is that they keep wanting to believe that everything must be intuitive to their point of view. Therefore all economics must be zerosum, right? Wrong. But the car salesmen who can get them to pay over sticker because "that's what the dealership is into it for" thank them for their business.

 

[sportage]

Odd thing with raising the minimum wage...
Seems a better wage only attracts the most incompetent of the incompetent.
Notice how those engaging in the workforce seem as dumb as snot and be assured your fast food order will be totally screwed up.
And to top that off, these entry level higher wage earners won't even give a rats ass about having screwed up your order. They are off to screw up the next order. With attitude.

And this trend makes sense......
In the past those minimum wage earners of such incompetence didn’t last long.
Even at minimum wage their lack of ability to do the job or even care about the job, well... they didn’t last long.
And the hard working employee willing and able even at minimum wage never had to worry about wage. Their hard work paid off in wage increase and promotion.
The good employee left the minimum wage back in the dust.
A good worker doesn’t have to worry about the minimum wage. They enjoy an earned decent wage beyond minimum along with promotion.

Then, say hello to $15 starting wage and oh boy will those incompetent workers come out of the woodwork to return to the workforce only to once again prove their lack of skills and a total lack of interest.
Still, they expect a job at the higher minimum wage.
It’s like YOU OWE ME. I DON’T OWE YOU.

Is offering a higher minimum wage worth it?
Does offering a higher minimum wage attract a better skilled workforce?
Or... just a higher paid deadbeat who is just waiting to screw up your day then not giving a damn.

 

[NWRMidnight]

Odd thing with raising the minimum wage...
Seems a better wage only attracts the most incompetent of the incompetent.
Notice how those engaging in the workforce seem as dumb as snot and be assured your fast food order will be totally screwed up.
And to top that off, these entry level higher wage earners won't even give a rats ass about having screwed up your order. They are off to screw up the next order. With attitude.

And this trend makes sense......
In the past those minimum wage earners of such incompetence didn’t last long.
Even at minimum wage their lack of ability to do the job or even care about the job, well... they didn’t last long.
And the hard working employee willing and able even at minimum wage never had to worry about wage. Their hard work paid off in wage increase and promotion.
The good employee left the minimum wage back in the dust.
A good worker doesn’t have to worry about the minimum wage. They enjoy an earned decent wage beyond minimum along with promotion.

Then, say hello to $15 starting wage and oh boy will those incompetent workers come out of the woodwork to return to the workforce only to once again prove their lack of skills and a total lack of interest.
Still, they expect a job at the higher minimum wage.
It’s like YOU OWE ME. I DON’T OWE YOU.

Is offering a higher minimum wage worth it?
Does offering a higher minimum wage attract a better skilled workforce?
Or... just a higher paid deadbeat who is just waiting to screw up your day then not giving a damn.

None of that is due to minimum wage increase. All that you have listed is caused by poor hiring skills and/or lack of caring of management, lack of training, bad management, and today's lack of work ethic from the younger generation.

 

[herm0016]

WTF

then debate the idea, don't attack it. replying with

Free shit, go figure.

or making some sarcastic statement about bootstraps does not debate an idea.

no personal attacks or whatever now, so its all gotta be sarcastic BS.

 

[ch33zw1z]

then debate the idea, don't attack it. replying with



or making some sarcastic statement about bootstraps does not debate an idea.

no personal attacks or whatever now, so its all gotta be sarcastic BS.

cry moar. your post boiled down to "free shit". When a Dem says it, all hell breaks loose, even though it would be funded by tax money one way or another. it's been pretty obvious since '08 that conservatives have no intention of playing well with others. So go ahead and push your socialism, I'll be as sarcastic as I want. Don't like it? report me.

 

[dainthomas]

The same could be said for quite a few legacy positions that have been offshored or automated away. It's sad they haven't learned to do more than mine coal or work an assembly line.

Maybe, just maybe, there's more to it than you think.

People who are concerned about the affect of AI and automation on jobs should vote Yang. He's the only one acknowledging the reality of the situation. Everyone else is just telling people what they want to hear.

 

[dainthomas]

Only NJ and Oregon still require full service gas. I live in Oregon. We've been trying to change it for years, but it's just not happening. And especially not now that Costco has perfected the full service gas assembly line.

Didn't they just exempt rural counties? At least in the evening/at night IIRC.

 

[cytg111]

Odd thing with raising the minimum wage...
Seems a better wage only attracts the most incompetent of the incompetent.
Notice how those engaging in the workforce seem as dumb as snot and be assured your fast food order will be totally screwed up.

Wtf dude.
Whats your solution to these incompetents? Gas ovens? Out of sight out of mind? Lack of medical will take care of them sooner rather than later, as long as you dont have to watch it?
Fix your god damn problems. If your populus is incompetent then that is on *you*. Fix it. If your opinion is that its not your problem and or that incompetence cant be fixed.. then I am of the opinion that you cant be fixed. Ovens it is.

 

[Mai72]

Odd thing with raising the minimum wage...
Seems a better wage only attracts the most incompetent of the incompetent.
Notice how those engaging in the workforce seem as dumb as snot and be assured your fast food order will be totally screwed up.
And to top that off, these entry level higher wage earners won't even give a rats ass about having screwed up your order. They are off to screw up the next order. With attitude.

And this trend makes sense......
In the past those minimum wage earners of such incompetence didn’t last long.
Even at minimum wage their lack of ability to do the job or even care about the job, well... they didn’t last long.
And the hard working employee willing and able even at minimum wage never had to worry about wage. Their hard work paid off in wage increase and promotion.
The good employee left the minimum wage back in the dust.
A good worker doesn’t have to worry about the minimum wage. They enjoy an earned decent wage beyond minimum along with promotion.

Then, say hello to $15 starting wage and oh boy will those incompetent workers come out of the woodwork to return to the workforce only to once again prove their lack of skills and a total lack of interest.
Still, they expect a job at the higher minimum wage.
It’s like YOU OWE ME. I DON’T OWE YOU.

Is offering a higher minimum wage worth it?
Does offering a higher minimum wage attract a better skilled workforce?
Or... just a higher paid deadbeat who is just waiting to screw up your day then not giving a damn.

I don't believe that all young people are lazy. I'm genX and I've seen my share of lazy genX workers. The thing is as America has seen more success, we've seen a more lazy populace. Not just with young people, but across all ages. My dad worked 2 jobs for much of his life. He got up at 4am and worked until 6 or 7pm. Six and sometimes 7 days a week. You don't see that too much anymore.

Just wanted to add that when my mom had her Cafe the wage that she paid her workers was $13-15 an hour. She understood that if you wanted good workers, you had to pay them a good wage. This was from 1999-2011so the cost of living was slightly less expensive. Also, these were foreign workers. They had a great work ethic as well.

 

[Mai72]

Only NJ and Oregon still require full service gas. I live in Oregon. We've been trying to change it for years, but it's just not happening. And especially not now that Costco has perfected the full service gas assembly line.

Weiterleitungshinweis

That article explained how people are consumed by fear. Those comments though. Pumping your own gas is dangerous? Wow. How do the other 48 states do it? I didn't know that you needed to be a trained technician to pump gas.

 

[dainthomas]

You sincerely have some severe mental issues if you can survive a life of just pumping gas for other capable people. Literally - you lack a purpose. You accomplish nothing. It sounds like a life entirely void of self-worth.

Some people are dumb and/or have mental issues and jobs like that are all they're capable of. Our society also requires jobs like that to be done (not gas pumping specifically but scrubbing toilets etc), and to say that people who perform necessary tasks should have to live in abject poverty is pretty messed up. All work has dignity.

 

[Vic]

Didn't they just exempt rural counties? At least in the evening/at night IIRC.

Yes.

 

[Vic]

Weiterleitungshinweis

That article explained how people are consumed by fear. Those comments though. Pumping your own gas is dangerous? Wow. How do the other 48 states do it? I didn't know that you needed to be a trained technician to pump gas.

Who cares what some emotion based article says? The reality is that despite requiring full service gas, Oregon has generally cheaper gas prices than its neighbors (largely due to lower gas taxes), and Costco has literally perfected the full service gas station assembly line while selling gas cheaper than everyone else, which has all but eliminated any public desire to change the law.

 

[Vic]

then debate the idea, don't attack it. replying with



or making some sarcastic statement about bootstraps does not debate an idea.

no personal attacks or whatever now, so its all gotta be sarcastic BS.

I have debated the idea, with facts and solid economic theory, for this entire thread, only to have posters attack me for doing so. And since you haven't complained about that, please give it a rest with your need to try to silence free speech because someone making fun of your ignorance hurt your precious feels. How about you use your bootstraps to increase your minimum knowledge?

 

[hal2kilo]

All our big chain fast food places (McDonald's, Kentucky, burgerking...) have the automated touchscreen ordering systems, they still seem to have the same amount of people working behind the counter though.

That's because they suck, and the people at the counter say, just come over here, I'll help you with your order. (Micky D experience)

 

[Vic]

That's because they suck, and the people at the counter say, just come over here, I'll help you with your order. (Micky D experience)

How to screw up the line at McD's:

Spoiler

pay cash and expect your change back

 

[1prophet]

Wtf dude.
Whats your solution to these incompetents? Gas ovens? Out of sight out of mind? Lack of medical will take care of them sooner rather than later, as long as you dont have to watch it?
Fix your god damn problems. If your populus is incompetent then that is on *you*. Fix it. If your opinion is that its not your problem and or that incompetence cant be fixed.. then I am of the opinion that you cant be fixed. Ovens it is.

Send them to reeducation camps, CHINA STYLE, that westerns tacitly approve because they get their cheap stuff while China helps the 1% become even richer, and turn those deplorables into obedient model workers.

Inside China’s Push to Turn Muslim Minorities Into an Army of Workers

Inside China’s Push to Turn Muslim Minorities Into an Army of Workers

The Communist Party wants to remold Xinjiang’s minorities into loyal blue-collar workers to supply Chinese factories with cheap labor.

www.nytimes.com

Or maybe just give them basic income on top of their higher minimum wage, because that will surely motivate them to do better,

But in reality worker protections like minimum wage only works when you are living under rules and regulations that can't be undermined by Globalization or the gig economy, but we all know that ain't happening because you know, profits,

oh, and China says thank you for the prosperity because of your middle class race to the bottom so your rich oligarchs can be just a little richer.

China Is Building More Powerful Jet Engines, And Is Selling Tech

Key point: China is quickly becoming an elite player in the Jet Age. Chinese engineering has become so advanced that German jet engines could soon get a major boost from China. Officials in China have begun talks to sell sophisticated aerospace technology and manufacturing equipment to Germany...

nationalinterest.org

Top 10 Largest Cities in China, the Most Populous in China

China's Top 10 LARGEST cities are introduced, each with a population over 7 million, such as Shanghai, Beijing, Tianjin, Guangzhou, and Shenzhen.

www.chinahighlights.com

 

[WelshBloke]

That's because they suck, and the people at the counter say, just come over here, I'll help you with your order. (Micky D experience)

I must admit that I've never had a problem with them and I'm a bit of a numpty with that sort of thing. I like them because I don't know fast food menus off by heart. Plus you can add as much of that fake cheese as you want to everything!

 

[Brainonska511]

People who are concerned about the affect of AI and automation on jobs should vote Yang. He's the only one acknowledging the reality of the situation. Everyone else is just telling people what they want to hear.

The idea that automation and AI is going to drive us all into the poor house while companies reap all the benefits is myopic. Technology has continuously advanced over the last 150 years, and as a result of that advancement, new industries have opened up, even as others have been effectively automated away. The bigger issue is capturing part of the gains that the people at the top are racking in.

 

[Brainonska511]

I don't believe that all young people are lazy. I'm genX and I've seen my share of lazy genX workers. The thing is as America has seen more success, we've seen a more lazy populace. Not just with young people, but across all ages. My dad worked 2 jobs for much of his life. He got up at 4am and worked until 6 or 7pm. Six and sometimes 7 days a week. You don't see that too much anymore.

Perhaps you don't see people working themselves to death because there is more to life than being a fucking automaton - we shouldn't be living to work.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

The idea that automation and AI is going to drive us all into the poor house while companies reap all the benefits is myopic. Technology has continuously advanced over the last 150 years, and as a result of that advancement, new industries have opened up, even as others have been effectively automated away. The bigger issue is capturing part of the gains that the people at the top are racking in.

It's not so much "companies reaping the benefit". It's more of just a continuing stream of SKILLESS LABOR being eliminated.

More jobs will emerge - undoubtedly.

BUT - the problem at hand is that we are forever entrenched in a culture that doesn't seem to have a problem with over 25% of our population having absolutely no worthwhile skills.



Yes - SKILLS like plumbing, electric work, and even carpentry will not go away.

HOWEVER - SKILL-LESS jobs such as driving, taking orders, cooking (fast food),, assembly work, farm work, amazon warehouses, etc... will be automated. It won't be overnight. It won't all occur in the next year... But anyone who denies this needs to seek mental help.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Send them to reeducation camps, CHINA STYLE, that westerns tacitly approve because they get their cheap stuff while China helps the 1% become even richer, and turn those deplorables into obedient model workers.

Inside China’s Push to Turn Muslim Minorities Into an Army of Workers

Inside China’s Push to Turn Muslim Minorities Into an Army of Workers

The Communist Party wants to remold Xinjiang’s minorities into loyal blue-collar workers to supply Chinese factories with cheap labor.

www.nytimes.com

Or maybe just give them basic income on top of their higher minimum wage, because that will surely motivate them to do better,

But in reality worker protections like minimum wage only works when you are living under rules and regulations that can't be undermined by Globalization or the gig economy, but we all know that ain't happening because you know, profits,

oh, and China says thank you for the prosperity because of your middle class race to the bottom so your rich oligarchs can be just a little richer.

China Is Building More Powerful Jet Engines, And Is Selling Tech

Key point: China is quickly becoming an elite player in the Jet Age. Chinese engineering has become so advanced that German jet engines could soon get a major boost from China. Officials in China have begun talks to sell sophisticated aerospace technology and manufacturing equipment to Germany...

nationalinterest.org

Top 10 Largest Cities in China, the Most Populous in China

China's Top 10 LARGEST cities are introduced, each with a population over 7 million, such as Shanghai, Beijing, Tianjin, Guangzhou, and Shenzhen.

www.chinahighlights.com

Once again, I strongly suggest stamp collecting.

 

[Brainonska511]

It's not so much "companies reaping the benefit". It's more of just a continuing stream of SKILLESS LABOR being eliminated.

More jobs will emerge - undoubtedly.

BUT - the problem at hand is that we are forever entrenched in a culture that doesn't seem to have a problem with over 25% of our population having absolutely no worthwhile skills.



Yes - SKILLS like plumbing, electric work, and even carpentry will not go away.

HOWEVER - SKILL-LESS jobs such as driving, taking orders, cooking (fast food),, assembly work, farm work, amazon warehouses, etc... will be automated. It won't be overnight. It won't all occur in the next year... But anyone who denies this needs to seek mental help.

All the more reason for the public to capture some of the automation gains to redistribute it for social benefits - such as creating an educated workforce that can keep up with the new markets created.