Thoughts on the minimum wage hike that is set to begin in 2020?

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cytg111

cytg111

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s0me0nesmind1 said:
It's not so much "companies reaping the benefit". It's more of just a continuing stream of SKILLESS LABOR being eliminated.

More jobs will emerge - undoubtedly.

BUT - the problem at hand is that we are forever entrenched in a culture that doesn't seem to have a problem with over 25% of our population having absolutely no worthwhile skills.



Yes - SKILLS like plumbing, electric work, and even carpentry will not go away.

HOWEVER - SKILL-LESS jobs such as driving, taking orders, cooking (fast food),, assembly work, farm work, amazon warehouses, etc... will be automated. It won't be overnight. It won't all occur in the next year... But anyone who denies this needs to seek mental help.
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SO FUCKING EDUCATE YOUR PEOPLE.
 
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shortylickens

shortylickens

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I really wish the government had prioritized education over all the other bullshit. In the 80's when we allegedly had the best economy in the world Reagan did absolutely nothing to improve education, and even a few negative things. We were already falling way behind most of Europe and Asia was catching up fast.
A few presidents later and we've had fuck-all and it seriously bothers me.
 
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Jhhnn

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s0me0nesmind1 said:
It's not so much "companies reaping the benefit". It's more of just a continuing stream of SKILLESS LABOR being eliminated.

More jobs will emerge - undoubtedly.

BUT - the problem at hand is that we are forever entrenched in a culture that doesn't seem to have a problem with over 25% of our population having absolutely no worthwhile skills.



Yes - SKILLS like plumbing, electric work, and even carpentry will not go away.

HOWEVER - SKILL-LESS jobs such as driving, taking orders, cooking (fast food),, assembly work, farm work, amazon warehouses, etc... will be automated. It won't be overnight. It won't all occur in the next year... But anyone who denies this needs to seek mental help.
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Gawd. If the much revered Job Creators needed more skilled labor they'd be training it. But they're not. Go figure.

The rest of it is just looking down your nose at your "lessers".
 
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Bitek

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Greenman said:
Find me a journeyman plumber that will work for $20 an hour and I'll hire five today.
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I had the wrong level. Meant the newbies.
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Point is it's going to set a higher floor for attracting young talent, which will rise the tide for experienced workers as well.

Constantly occurring repetitive tasks will be automated, but those jobs are shit, and we'll be doing people a favor. No one cries about human telephone operators being automated away.
 
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Atreus21

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Your kid is sick. You take his temperature. It says 102. You take a sharpie, and write in 98.6 over the 102. Fever is cured.

Prices, like temperature readouts on a thermometer, are indicators, not the actual thing that is indicated. Fixing prices doesn't magically make a janitor's skill as valuable to society as a doctor's.
 
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Pohemi

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Atreus21 said:
Your kid is sick. You take his temperature. It says 102. You take a sharpie, and write in 98.6 over the 102. Fever is cured.

Prices, like temperature readouts on a thermometer, are indicators, not the actual thing that is indicated. Fixing prices doesn't magically make a janitor's skill as valuable to society as a doctor's.
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Raising the minimum wage to $15/hr does not magically make a janitor's wages the same as a doctor's salary. Nice FUD.
 
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Atreus21

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dainthomas said:
Conservatives want a permanent underclass struggling so hard to survive they don't have time to vote against them.
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What voting bloc is nearly stuck in a permanent underclass, and to which party are they overwhelmingly devoted?
 
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Atreus21 said:
What voting bloc is nearly stuck in a permanent underclass, and to which party are they overwhelmingly devoted?
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So dishonest. The group you reference was once overwhelmingly GOP prior to the southern strategy of Nixon & Reagan.
 
Pohemi

Pohemi

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Pohemi420 said:
Oh, you didn't? Hmm. Sure as fuck looks like it. Don't be a dishonest shithead. If you're going to lie and obfuscate, at least OWN it.
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Own it....LOL!

Let me go ahead and answer for him.......

"I didn't EXACTLY and/or EXPLICITLY say that, did I? Therefore any implications you read into what I said (despite said implications being very well explicit and displayed) are your problem."

Did I do it right?
 
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Atreus21

Atreus21

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Pohemi420 said:
Oh, you didn't? Hmm. Sure as fuck looks like it. Don't be a dishonest shithead. If you're going to lie and obfuscate, at least OWN it.
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No I didnt. You cant tell the difference between my statement and yours?

Does scratching out 102 on a thermometer and writing in 98.6 mean the fever is cured?
 
Pohemi

Pohemi

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shortylickens

shortylickens

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You people are too angry to be making big decisions about the world.

Unfortunately, one of the angriest people IN the world is now running one of its most powerful countries. So I guess I should focus on that instead.
 
Atreus21

Atreus21

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Pohemi420 said:
Just fuck off already.
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Again, the fact that you don't see the difference really just proves my point. I said value, not wages/salary.

Society values the labor and time of a doctor over that of a cashier. Prices are reflections of that valuation, just like thermometer readouts are reflections of a fever. Manipulating the reflection doesn't change the underlying reality.
 
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Pohemi

Pohemi

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Atreus21 said:
Again, the fact that you don't see the difference really just proves my point. I said value, not wages/salary.
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What point? I'm not seeing a lot of strong points being made in your intentionally washy semantics. Yes people are paid according to the value of their time and labor. Now explain why you think raising the minimum wage to $15/hr is going to equate to equalizing the value of a janitor to a doctor. You have yet to explain that bullshit.
 
Atreus21

Atreus21

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Pohemi420 said:
What point? I'm not seeing a lot of strong points being made in your intentionally washy semantics. Yes people are paid according to the value of their time and labor. Now explain why you think raising the minimum wage to $15/hr is going to equate to equalizing the value of a janitor to a doctor. You have yet to explain that bullshit.
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I have yet to explain it because I didn't say it.

Nor is it a game of semantics. If we mandated that all janitors be paid the same as doctors, would that make the actual value of janitorial labor equal to that of a doctor's?
 
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