Thoughts on pedophilia.

[sourceninja]

Creates demand. Kill the demand, you'll have less children being abused.

Trying to justify your stash of kiddie porn?

So you are saying people abuse children just so other people will buy it?

Or are you saying people will still be abusing their children, they just won't post the pictures of it if nobody wants to see it?

I think the sick bastards that make those pictures are enjoying it, and therefore they are not going to stop abusing children simply because nobody wants to see the pictures.

I would like to point out that I am 100% against child abuse and I think those people should be killed. But I find the statement that this is a supply demand issue as something that needs evidence.

I would like to see evidence that a reduction in child porn demand results in less child abuse.

 

[dabuddha]

Pedophiles have children as a sexual preference. If they do nothing wrong and keep it to themselves, where is the harm? Your neighbor could be a closet pedophile, yet be an upstanding citizen who doesn't even have a trace of CP on his computer.

Molesters are pedophiles who act on their urges. These people deserve the full force of the law on their backs.

Ahhh then as much as I hate it, I'd be down with that. Pedophiles can lust as much as they want (though they are still an abomination in my eyes) but as soon as they act out on it in any way, off with their heads.

 

[Hacp]

Its just the culture we have in today's day and age. Back a few centuries ago, rich men used to have wives far younger. It wasn't uncommon for them to procreate with a 10 or 11 year old that has gone through puberty back then.

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

No, you're ignorant for lumping molesters and other offenders into the pedo category. A mere pedophile has DONE NOTHING WRONG.

I absolutely agree with you once they cross the threshold and HAVE done something. Then they deserve death.

Your confusing a paedo with a pervert

 

[SillyOReilly]

i am hoping it's just trolling above.

fortunately I am sure most of you are not having sex at all unless via self love.

Projection.

I feel sorry for you.

 

[DirkGently1]

I'm just saying:

Pedophilia is a mental illness. First-time offenders who get caught for possession should be sent to be a mental institute to be reformed. If they get caught a second time, then it's a felony.

Like homosexuals, pedophiles have a fetish that is inherent to their personalities. They are born with it, and some of them can't suppress their urges. We should be lenient on first-time offenders and give them a chance to reform themselves without a felony on their records.

So would you say that to the parents of the second kid that the pedo raped? "Oops, i'm sorry, but we thought he deserved a second chance..."? I'm sure they'd be feeling all kinds of sympathy for the plight of the guy who was born with a 'fetish' that got their kid raped.

 

[GTaudiophile]

Who of you remembers the day...

you decided to be straight?
you decided to be gay?
you decided that petite brunettes with green eyes are sexy?
you decided that women wearing scrubs is a turn on?
you decided that you enjoy being dominated in bed?
you decided that you get off on sex outdoors?
you decided that you have a fetish for women's socks?
...

Well, can you remember?

I can remember being attracted to Meghan when we were both in Kindergarten. No one told me to be. I just was.

So who thinks that pedophiles wake up one day and decide that they want to be attracted to children? When do they decide to be a member of the most vilified group in world?

I don't think any of us has a choice. I didn't. You don't. They don't. We all come out hard-wired in different ways. Some people simply come out on the right side of history. Others don't. Had you been born gay a few decades or centuries ago, then you may have been burned at the stake. Had you been born as a pedophile during Roman times, you may have enjoyed a comfortable lifestyle.

Point is, we are all governed by the laws and societal norms into which we are born.

Do I think that the average, non-violent (non-functional) pedophile is evil? Not at all. In fact I may take pity on them for harboring feelings and urges that they didn't ask for and struggle to contain.

Do I think that ANY violent offender of children should be dealt with to maximum extent of the law? Absolutely!

Do I think that child porn is a gateway drug to full-blown pedophilia? I'm not sure. I enjoy watching (adult) threesome videos but that doesn't mean I will ever engage in one. How much kinky porn have you all watched that has actually motivated you to act on what you saw? I assume the same goes for CP.

Do I agree with ANY sort of non-consensual sex? No! And as much as I am sure pedophiles disagree to the contrary, children are simply incapable of granting consent. They lack the maturity to recognize the consequences of their actions and can far too easily be manipulated by a "trusted" adult friend or family member. Now, the definition of the "age of consent" I may take issue with. Can the law accurately and flatly define this age as 18 in all cases? Probably not but everyone grows up at different rates, so I understand that the law must strive to find a happy medium of course.

 

[XX55XX]

So would you say that to the parents of the second kid that the pedo raped? "Oops, i'm sorry, but we thought he deserved a second chance..."? I'm sure they'd be feeling all kinds of sympathy for the plight of the guy who was born with a 'fetish' that got their kid raped.

Rapists should always be punished.

But people who merely jerk off to CP deserve a second chance, particularly if they have not committed any other crimes.

 

[reallyscrued]

Who of you remembers the day...

you decided to be straight?
you decided to be gay?
you decided that petite brunettes with green eyes are sexy?
you decided that women wearing scrubs is a turn on?
you decided that you enjoy being dominated in bed?
you decided that you get off on sex outdoors?
you decided that you have a fetish for women's socks?
...

Well, can you remember?

I can remember being attracted to Meghan when we were both in Kindergarten. No one told me to be. I just was.

So who thinks that pedophiles wake up one day and decide that they want to be attracted to children? When do they decide to be a member of the most vilified group in world?

I don't think any of us has a choice. I didn't. You don't. They don't. We all come out hard-wired in different ways. Some people simply come out on the right side of history. Others don't. Had you been born gay a few decades or centuries ago, then you may have been burned at the stake. Had you been born as a pedophile during Roman times, you may have enjoyed a comfortable lifestyle.

Point is, we are all governed by the laws and societal norms into which we are born.

Do I think that the average, non-violent (non-functional) pedophile is evil? Not at all. In fact I may take pity on them for harboring feelings and urges that they didn't ask for and struggle to contain.

Do I think that ANY violent offender of children should be dealt with to maximum extent of the law? Absolutely!

Do I think that child porn is a gateway drug to full-blown pedophilia? I'm not sure. I enjoy watching (adult) threesome videos but that doesn't mean I will ever engage in one. How much kinky porn have you all watched that has actually motivated you to act on what you saw? I assume the same goes for CP.

Do I agree with ANY sort of non-consensual sex? No! And as much as I am sure pedophiles disagree to the contrary, children are simply incapable of granting consent. They lack the maturity to recognize the consequences of their actions and can far too easily be manipulated by a "trusted" adult friend or family member. Now, the definition of the "age of consent" I may take issue with. Can the law accurately and flatly define this age as 18 in all cases? Probably not but everyone grows up at different rates, so I understand that the law must strive to find a happy medium of course.

A very eye opening and concise post on the subject.

The rest of you are acting like a bunch of kids.

(To the poster who mentioned the penetration of a 2 year old...thanks for that. If you condone the prosecution of people who are just in possession of CP, can I at least punch you in the face for that visual?)

 

[Ichinisan]

Who of you remembers the day...

you decided to be straight?
you decided to be gay?
you decided that petite brunettes with green eyes are sexy?
you decided that women wearing scrubs is a turn on?
you decided that you enjoy being dominated in bed?
you decided that you get off on sex outdoors?
you decided that you have a fetish for women's socks?
...

Well, can you remember?

I can remember being attracted to Meghan when we were both in Kindergarten. No one told me to be. I just was.

So who thinks that pedophiles wake up one day and decide that they want to be attracted to children? When do they decide to be a member of the most vilified group in world?

I don't think any of us has a choice. I didn't. You don't. They don't. We all come out hard-wired in different ways. Some people simply come out on the right side of history. Others don't. Had you been born gay a few decades or centuries ago, then you may have been burned at the stake. Had you been born as a pedophile during Roman times, you may have enjoyed a comfortable lifestyle.

Point is, we are all governed by the laws and societal norms into which we are born.

Do I think that the average, non-violent (non-functional) pedophile is evil? Not at all. In fact I may take pity on them for harboring feelings and urges that they didn't ask for and struggle to contain.

Do I think that ANY violent offender of children should be dealt with to maximum extent of the law? Absolutely!

Do I think that child porn is a gateway drug to full-blown pedophilia? I'm not sure. I enjoy watching (adult) threesome videos but that doesn't mean I will ever engage in one. How much kinky porn have you all watched that has actually motivated you to act on what you saw? I assume the same goes for CP.

Do I agree with ANY sort of non-consensual sex? No! And as much as I am sure pedophiles disagree to the contrary, children are simply incapable of granting consent. They lack the maturity to recognize the consequences of their actions and can far too easily be manipulated by a "trusted" adult friend or family member. Now, the definition of the "age of consent" I may take issue with. Can the law accurately and flatly define this age as 18 in all cases? Probably not but everyone grows up at different rates, so I understand that the law must strive to find a happy medium of course.

:hmm:

 

[GTaudiophile]

:hmm:

LOL. Did you see the part where I wrote that we were BOTH in Kindergarten?

There was of course Angela in 1st and 2nd grades. Michelle in 4th. Lauren in 5th. She was the first girl I asked out. Tanya in 6th grade. Niki in 7th and 8th grades. Cailyn, Geetha, Alison, and Jennifer in high school. And then in college I started dating older women over those of roughly the same age.

And no, I never made a conscious decision to be straight.

I use to take a very hard line on gay people as a result of my upbringing. They should have no rights, should be stoned, etc. I know many older, conservative people who believe these things but having worked for and with gay people for about a decade, I have a much better and deeper understanding of who they are and what they struggle with. I even have gay friends and relatives. I have seen their tears as they struggle to express their feelings and love in the face of a society (and laws) that disagrees with them. Yet they never made the choice to be gay. And since I have had all these experiences, I guess my immediate desire, at least to those who do not harbor violent and destructive tendencies, is not to be violent myself and burn them at the stake but rather to listen and encourage them to seek help. But if anyone steps over the line of the law, then they must face the (appropriate) consequences. This goes for anyone of any sexual persuasion. But I think it important to remember that no matter our dislike for any one group of people, we cannot violate their 8th Constitutional Right: Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

 

[sourceninja]

My god man, I can't even remember my first girlfriends name, let alone all the girls I crushed on....

 

[lord_emperor]

Child abuse is disgusting, if I believed in hell I'd hope there is a special place there for child abusers.

But society takes this anti-pedophile campaign way too far. An 8 year old and a 16 year old are not the same, yet society draws a hard line at 18 years old. There's nothing wrong with being attracted to a teenager who has undergone puberty.

In primeval times we'd only live to ~30, best to start breeding as soon as possible and that's why we have this instinctual attraction.

Yet we have registered sex offenders whose crime is having sexual acts with their 17yo girlfriend/boyfriend when they themselves are 18. O things like this.

 

[HAL9000]

Mental illness should NOT be a defense for criminals.

Yes it should.


As for the OP, if owning child pornography was less of a crime then more pedophiles would own it, creating a bigger market for it and more children would be a bused.

Is pedophillia a mental illness? I don't know, I would say that in the majority of cases it stems from abuse or from a less than normal introduction into sex. Conversely I believe that being gay simply involves an introduction into sex as a homosexual rather then heterosexual, combined with other environment influences.

 

[tcG]

Child abuse is disgusting, if I believed in hell I'd hope there is a special place there for child abusers.

But society takes this anti-pedophile campaign way too far. An 8 year old and a 16 year old are not the same, yet society draws a hard line at 18 years old. There's nothing wrong with being attracted to a teenager who has undergone puberty.

In primeval times we'd only live to ~30, best to start breeding as soon as possible and that's why we have this instinctual attraction.

Yet we have registered sex offenders whose crime is having sexual acts with their 17yo girlfriend/boyfriend when they themselves are 18. O things like this.

QFT

 

[GTaudiophile]

HAL: I am sorry, but if you propose that our sexual preference is defined simply by the first type of sexual activity we have then I can demonstrate a lot of evidence to the contrary.

Gay people are attracted to people of the same gender. Attraction has nothing to do with sexuality. A gay person, be s/he 10 years old or 30 years old, experiences a chemical reaction in the brain signaling attraction when someone of the same gender is viewed. The same happens of a straight person who observes someone of the opposite gender. It's that simple.

 

[SagaLore]

I guess the point I want to make is: While people pushing for gay rights harder than ever, pedophiles are increasingly marginalized.

WTF does gay rights have to do with pedophiles? NOTHING!

But, at the same time, you have pedophiles who have done nothing wrong - except for possessing child pornography.

You are absolutely incorrect. By seeking and downloading child porn, they have already acted on pedophilia. By possessing and contributing to the profitability of producing pedophilia, they are creating a market for real abuse. The children in those pictures/videos were abused.

They are sick people, and anybody supporting them is also sick.

 

[BoomerD]

Rapists should always be punished.

But people who merely jerk off to CP deserve a second chance, particularly if they have not committed any other crimes.

No. The children in the CP were raped...that makes the pedo who jerks off to it almost as guilty because he's helping create the demand for such things.

Yes it should.


As for the OP, if owning child pornography was less of a crime then more pedophiles would own it, creating a bigger market for it and more children would be a bused.

Is pedophillia a mental illness? I don't know, I would say that in the majority of cases it stems from abuse or from a less than normal introduction into sex. Conversely I believe that being gay simply involves an introduction into sex as a homosexual rather then heterosexual, combined with other environment influences.

I disagree. Mental illness is NOT a defense for criminal activity, and the death penalty should be an option for anyone who commits certain crimes...including child molestation.

You might feel that the mentally ill be given a pass for their crimes just because you're admittedly mentally ill, but a large part of society doesn't agree.

 

[lord_emperor]

WTF does gay rights have to do with pedophiles? NOTHING!



You are absolutely incorrect. By seeking and downloading child porn, they have already acted on pedophilia. By possessing and contributing to the profitability of producing pedophilia, they are creating a market for real abuse. The children in those pictures/videos were abused.

They are sick people, and anybody supporting them is also sick.

Assuming they downloaded said CP without paying, who has profited?

 

[sourceninja]

Yes it should.


As for the OP, if owning child pornography was less of a crime then more pedophiles would own it, creating a bigger market for it and more children would be a bused.

Is pedophillia a mental illness? I don't know, I would say that in the majority of cases it stems from abuse or from a less than normal introduction into sex. Conversely I believe that being gay simply involves an introduction into sex as a homosexual rather then heterosexual, combined with other environment influences.

Again, as I said above, are you saying that people abuse and rape children simply because there is money in it?

And thusly a reduction in demand for child porn would mean less people would abuse and rape children?

I think the people who abuse and rape children would do it no matter if anyone wanted the videos and pictures of it. This is part of their insanity. I think putting the pictures online is just the next step in their insanity.

I have yet to see evidence that shows that the lower availability of child porn directly effects the production of child abuse. This is like saying that people will have sex less if there is less porn available to them.

 

[SagaLore]

Assuming they downloaded said CP without paying, who has profited?

Someone paid for it. Whether its through cash or through barter, it was paid for. In either case, THE CHILDREN WERE/ARE STILL ABUSED.

 

[lord_emperor]

Someone paid for it. Whether its through cash or through barter, it was paid for. In either case, THE CHILDREN WERE/ARE STILL ABUSED.

The child abuse is indisputable. However you can get anything on the internet for free.

For this matter in some places drawings/animations are treated the same as real filmed content, and we're very close to photo-realistic CGI. In these cases no one is even being abused.

 

[SagaLore]

The child abuse is indisputable. However you can get anything on the internet for free.

For this matter in some places drawings/animations are treated the same as real filmed content, and we're very close to photo-realistic CGI. In these cases no one is even being abused.

Stop justifying masturbating to child abuse. You're sick.

 

[Apple Of Sodom]

Surely you've seen murder,robbery, and videos of other illegal acts on Youtube and the news. Should seeing that be illegal also?

Do you believe the government should punish thought crimes, and control what you can watch and read?

Should we have a ministry of truth censor all the bad things that happen? Those pictures and videos of the holocaust are awful. Should they all be outlawed and destroyed?

Making videos of robbery and murder do not induce more robbery and murder - they do not create a demand for the crime any more than filming a whale breaching causes whales to breach more.

CP, on the other hand, creates a demand for more CP, which in turn causes more children to be harmed.

 

[onelivinlarge]

Surgical castration is a good solution. Lot of controversy over death penalty, jailing them for life is a waste of taxpayer dollars, forcing them to register and live in restricted parts of town is not a very safe and effective solution, IMHO, surgical castration will send a strong message and solve the problem. Sending them to mental institution is a stupid solution that will cost a lot more

I like this guys idea


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