This why the Bengals suck and usually will

[shortylickens]

Misread the title lol.

ME TOO!

:awe:

 

[preslove]

How so? He's telling people that you signed a contract and are bound to it. I applaud the guy for doing it.

Because he doesn't give a shit about actually winning. He can make money with or without winning, so it's no big deal. That leaves a lot of room for "principle" 🙄

 

[boomhower]

Stupid stupid stupid. I can understand the owners feeling but in the end they need to compete. They could get a decent player and a decent pick for him. There are several teams that are in need of a serviceable QB. Either to fill in for now or to develop a rookie. Absolutely immature and stupid move.

 

[Jeeebus]

I agree.

but the hate and bullshit needs to be going both ways. the team is silly to not trade him but his "trade me or i retire" is just as bad if not worse.

I don't view it as hate, but rather stupidity for standing on your laurels in a situation where there is nothing to gain for doing so. Yes, you can make a principled stand that "a contract is a contract," but at the end of the day, the owner/team has an obligation to the fans that he is not fulfilling by kicking a potential draft pick to the curb.

Carson, like every other player that wants more money or to be traded to a better team, is being immature etc., but the difference is that a player is obligated to his own bottom line (no matter how much we'd like to believe otherwise). If he'd rather retire than play for the Bengals, that's on him.

EDIT: Also, like MotionMan, if the contracts I deal with on a daily basis were as flexible as those in the NFL, I'm pretty sure I'd be out of work.

 

[Wreckem]

I don't view it as hate, but rather stupidity for standing on your laurels in a situation where there is nothing to gain for doing so. Yes, you can make a principled stand that "a contract is a contract," but at the end of the day, the owner/team has an obligation to the fans that he is not fulfilling by kicking a potential draft pick to the curb.

Carson, like every other player that wants more money or to be traded to a better team, is being immature etc., but the difference is that a player is obligated to his own bottom line (no matter how much we'd like to believe otherwise). If he'd rather retire than play for the Bengals, that's on him.

EDIT: Also, like MotionMan, if the contracts I deal with on a daily basis were as flexible as those in the NFL, I'm pretty sure I'd be out of work.

NFL contracts aren't guaranteed. Owners can release a player and no longer be on the hook financially, they may or may not take a cap hit, that all depends. However, players are bound to contract in that they have no way out. They cannot back out and continue to play elsewhere. So I really have no sympathy for the owners. If I was Palmer, I'd just play poorly and get benched and ride the pine for the rest of the $40million(or whatever ever the amount is without incentives), just to give a big fuck you to the owner.

 

[RPD]

Just because the contract isnt favored for the player, doesn't make it any less legit. He still signed it. In a case like this they should be able to bill the player for the remaining years (ie a reciprocation of the contract) or the balance of the contract. Would nip this whole I want more money wah, trade me wah shit we get from the players. DONT SIGN long contracts if you can't live up to them or pay an early termination fee like the rest of the world does.

 

[zinfamous]

I agree.

but the hate and bullshit needs to be going both ways. the team is silly to not trade him but his "trade me or i retire" is just as bad if not worse.

If you are an effective member of a company that clearly has inept leadership dragging the company into the ground, would it be acceptable to leave, especially if you have been patient with these people and done your best to improve things?

I see nothing wrong with that. Palmer's only option is to retire if they don
t trade him.

Sure, he doesn't get to work elsewhere--and I don't know the rules here, but I'm thinking he might be able to "retire" then sit out a year?

...maybe not, as that sounds kind of dickish, even with an NFL "contract."

I don't think Palmer's entirely in the wrong, here, but I do see what you're saying.

 

[BudAshes]

How so? He's telling people that you signed a contract and are bound to it. I applaud the guy for doing it.

The owners don't abide by contracts. They cut people all the time and aren't punished much for it.

 

[zinfamous]

I have very little sympathy for an owner in this case, when they can release a player at no additional cost to them.

Carson hasn't complained to the media. He hasn't been a distraction to his team. He simply decided that it wasn't worth throwing his body into the meat grinder that is the NFL for another year on a team he knows has no shot of winning. It's the same thing Barry Sanders did.

I'm actually surprised that this doesn't happen more often. If I had made more than enough money to retire, and the job was no longer enjoyable to me, I'd leave in an instant. Wouldn't you?

Indeed. one can actually look at his offer as somewhat generous.

"Look I'm sick of this crap. I've tried for several years now, but you might as well trade me and do something to improve the team, or just lose me outright, now."

 

[zinfamous]

Just because the contract isnt favored for the player, doesn't make it any less legit. He still signed it. In a case like this they should be able to bill the player for the remaining years (ie a reciprocation of the contract) or the balance of the contract. Would nip this whole I want more money wah, trade me wah shit we get from the players. DONT SIGN long contracts if you can't live up to them or pay an early termination fee like the rest of the world does.

I wonder how many players actually "live up" to what is their contract, in the NFL?

Remember that the average NFL career is 3 seasons.

has to be around 30% or less, right? In a business where an unexpected injury can completely derail you for a season, a few seasons, or a career; plugging some guy into an ineffective system for his skills; or neglecting your end of the bargain by putting a serviceable team around a very talented individual, this whole "don't sign what you can't live up to" notion is completely useless.

 

[Wreckem]

Just because the contract isnt favored for the player, doesn't make it any less legit. He still signed it. In a case like this they should be able to bill the player for the remaining years (ie a reciprocation of the contract) or the balance of the contract. Would nip this whole I want more money wah, trade me wah shit we get from the players. DONT SIGN long contracts if you can't live up to them or pay an early termination fee like the rest of the world does.

Then owners should have to pay every fucking dime they owe on a contract when they release a player or when the player is permanently injured and can no longer play. IE: contracts would have to be guaranteed.

 

[BudAshes]

Then owners should have to pay every fucking dime they owe on a contract when they release a player or when the player is permanently injured and can no longer play. Its only fair.

also imagine if a contractor got into and argument with the client and didn't want to finish the job, so instead of breaching contract and moving on he had to retire and never work again.

 

[zinfamous]

also imagine if a contractor got into and argument with the client and didn't want to finish the job, so instead of breaching contract and moving on he had to retire and never work again.

yeah, though I don't think all money should be paid out, unquestioned, if a player is let go. To me, that is generally an issue of a player absolutely not doing their job.

I mean, come the fuck on--who seriously thinks JaMarcus Russell ever earned a god damn penny of his contract?

😀

 

[RPD]

I wonder how many players actually "live up" to what is their contract, in the NFL?

Remember that the average NFL career is 3 seasons.

has to be around 30% or less, right? In a business where an unexpected injury can completely derail you for a season, a few seasons, or a career; plugging some guy into an ineffective system for his skills; or neglecting your end of the bargain by putting a serviceable team around a very talented individual, this whole "don't sign what you can't live up to" notion is completely useless.

Woah woah woah, just stop.

I didn't say anything about injuries to the player, not physically able to live up to his end in the contract. In regards to the post about the owners having to pay up, please learn to read. The contracts are FAVORED for the owners, I mean really I have to explain this?

Obviously if someone is unable to continue at their job because of sustained injuries the whole "continue to pay" goes out the window doesn't it? Talk about a straw man.

The point was every season we same the same BS from athletes in most sports. Wah I want more money, so unless you redo the contract I'm going to pout and not play well or purposely suck on the field. Guess what happens to people at 9-5 jobs when that happens? They get fucking fired and probably have a hard time finding a new job, possibly sued for damages as applicable.

 

[BudAshes]

yeah, though I don't think all money should be paid out, unquestioned, if a player is let go. To me, that is generally an issue of a player absolutely not doing their job.

I mean, come the fuck on--who seriously thinks JaMarcus Russell ever earned a god damn penny of his contract?

😀

Best part is he will probably end up bankrupt in 5 years.

 

[RPD]

Then owners should have to pay every fucking dime they owe on a contract when they release a player or when the player is permanently injured and can no longer play. IE: contracts would have to be guaranteed.

Uh no, the contracts are favored for the guy paying the bills and would exclude this. You do realize this right?

 

[ksheets]

pssst Edro,
Im a former Bengals fan since converted by a few friends of mine into Steeler Nation. PM me if you're serious about ditching the Bengals...it really isnt that painful.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

^^
I agree. He signed the contract...fulfill that bitch and move on and don't be a douche. But at the same time they should trade something for him instead of losing everything.

That's crap. It's a two way street. If Carson wasn't producing for them the Bengals would cut him tomorrow and not pay him a dime if they wanted to. Would you be saying the same thing to the Team if they did that?

So why is Carson an ass for doing the same thing? The Bengals aren't doing anything to make a winner. They aren't giving him any help. 18/20 seasons with a losing record? In short, they are not producing and he's cutting them.

If he was in his second year I could see the Bengals doing this. That player needs the paycheck and has no real leverage. Carson obviously doesn't need the money. At this point in his carreer he only has a few good years left. He wants to play for a winner and the Bengals are not and likely won't be in the near future.

If the Bengals had a lick of sense they would trade him.

 

[RPD]

That's crap. It's a two way street. If Carson wasn't producing for them the Bengals would cut him tomorrow and not pay him a dime if they wanted to. Would you be saying the same thing to the Team if they did that?

So why is Carson an ass for doing the same thing? The Bengals aren't doing anything to make a winner. They aren't giving him any help. 18/20 seasons with a losing record? In short, they are not producing and he's cutting them.

If he was in his second year I could see the Bengals doing this. That player needs the paycheck and has no real leverage. Carson obviously doesn't need the money. At this point in his carreer he only has a few good years left. He wants to play for a winner and the Bengals are not and likely won't be in the near future.

If the Bengals had a lick of sense they would trade him.

If he had an issue with the contract then maybe he shouldn't have signed it. I don't understand, when did the term contract mean, do whatever you want no consequences?

 

[Perknose]

The Bengals have wasted and/or underutilized more talent than any pro franchise I can think of. Must be tough to be a fan. 🙁

 

[hdeck]

I'm sorry, but the Bengals are not obligated to trade him just because he doesn't want to play there. They didn't force him to sign contract extensions. If he didn't like the contract he should have hired a better agent. I'm glad they aren't letting him demand a trade. Sets a bad precedent for other teams in the league to have to give in to every player that wants a trade. They are moving on, and he's the one stuck in limbo. Sucks to be him.

 

[thegimp03]

How so? He's telling people that you signed a contract and are bound to it. I applaud the guy for doing it.

I would agree with you, except that the owner could trade him and help out his team.

 

[Perknose]

Lol at all of you guys on both sides of this issue. What has happened so far is mere posturing on both sides. Both are playing brinksmanship within the confines of what they can do.

Do any of you really think Carson Palmer will stay retired, and that will be that? D:

Come on, wake up and smell what's cooking here. 😎

 

[sactoking]

The owner has two choices:

1. He can do what's best for him, which is refuse Palmer's trade demands so as to appear tough.
2. He can do what's best for the team, which is acquiesce to Palmer's trade demands and basically get something for nothing.

In this case he has chosen option #1 which is a big "Screw You" to Bengals fans. By calling Palmer's bluff and forcing him to retire he:
1. deigns to get immediate value in return, hurting his on-field product,
2. is forced to carry ~$11mm in cap room this year to prevent Palmer from reporting to camp and putting the team over the cap, which further hurts the on-field product this year,
3. sets himself up for Palmer to sit out 2011, report in 2012, screw up the salary cap, and the Bengals have to trade him anyway, except now it's for far less than they could get today.

There's not a business scenario in which forcing Palmer to retire is better than trading him. The owner in this case is just being a stubborn jackass, a la the Ford family when Barry Sanders wanted out of Detroit.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

I am done. Indy is my new favorite team.

I always knew you were a genius, edro!