This needs to be settled, once and for all.

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: cherrytwist

Originally posted by: sactoking
"Cheesecake" is neither pie nor cake, but custard.

From dictionary.com:
cake /ke?k/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[keyk] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation noun, verb, caked, cak·ing.
?noun
1. a sweet, baked, breadlike food, made with or without shortening, and usually containing flour, sugar, baking powder or soda, eggs, and liquid flavoring.
2. a flat, thin mass of bread, esp. unleavened bread.
3. pancake; griddlecake.
4. a shaped or molded mass of other food: a fish cake.
5. a shaped or compressed mass: a cake of soap; a cake of ice.

"Cheesecake" is not 'breadlike'. "Cheesecake" is not akin to unleavened bread. "Cheesecake" is not akin to a pancake. It is not molded from other food. It is not a compressed mass. "Cheesecake" is not cake.

pie1 /pa?/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[pahy] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
?noun
1. a baked food having a filling of fruit, meat, pudding, etc., prepared in a pastry-lined pan or dish and often topped with a pastry crust: apple pie; meat pie.
2. a layer cake with a filling of custard, cream jelly, or the like: chocolate cream pie.

"Cheesecake" is not prepared in a pastry-lined pan. It is, by definition already, not a cake. "Cheesecake" is not a pie.

cus·tard /'k?st?rd/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[kuhs-terd] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
?noun
a dessert made of eggs, sugar, and milk, either baked, boiled, or frozen.

"Cheesecake" is a CUSTARD!

(Also, the tomato is a FRUIT, etymologically speaking. Just b/c the Supreme Court voted it a legal vegetable for interstate taxation reasons does not change the facts.)

Your rhetoric has no place here.

Cake or pie.

Choose one.

I think he chose "or death"

wait so my choices are "or death"
yes
ill take the chicken
alright then

 

[Bryophyte]

Originally posted by: sactoking
"Cheesecake" is neither pie nor cake, but custard.

From dictionary.com:
cake /ke?k/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[keyk] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation noun, verb, caked, cak·ing.
?noun
1. a sweet, baked, breadlike food, made with or without shortening, and usually containing flour, sugar, baking powder or soda, eggs, and liquid flavoring.
2. a flat, thin mass of bread, esp. unleavened bread.
3. pancake; griddlecake.
4. a shaped or molded mass of other food: a fish cake.
5. a shaped or compressed mass: a cake of soap; a cake of ice.

"Cheesecake" is not 'breadlike'. "Cheesecake" is not akin to unleavened bread. "Cheesecake" is not akin to a pancake. It is not molded from other food. It is not a compressed mass. "Cheesecake" is not cake.

pie1 /pa?/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[pahy] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
?noun
1. a baked food having a filling of fruit, meat, pudding, etc., prepared in a pastry-lined pan or dish and often topped with a pastry crust: apple pie; meat pie.
2. a layer cake with a filling of custard, cream jelly, or the like: chocolate cream pie.

"Cheesecake" is not prepared in a pastry-lined pan. It is, by definition already, not a cake. "Cheesecake" is not a pie.

cus·tard /'k?st?rd/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[kuhs-terd] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
?noun
a dessert made of eggs, sugar, and milk, either baked, boiled, or frozen.

"Cheesecake" is a CUSTARD!

(Also, the tomato is a FRUIT, etymologically speaking. Just b/c the Supreme Court voted it a legal vegetable for interstate taxation reasons does not change the facts.)

Finally, somebody agrees with me!

Originally posted by: Bryophyte
I posit that it is neither cake nor pie. It is more akin to a custard-like dessert. Lots of eggs and dairy.

 

[cheesecakeisnotapie]

when i heard that pie was actually winning this debate i had to join the forums to weigh in.

Cheesecake is a CAKE.

When the ingredients of a cake are mixed together, they come together to form a separate entity which must be baked before it becomes a cake.

Pie fillings are generally just a jumble of things that stay separate when mixed up together. For the most part, pie fillings do not need to be baked to be eaten.



A better debate would be if meat pies are really pies or not.

 

[FDF12389]

Originally posted by: sactoking

Originally posted by: FDF12389
No, just because cheesecake includes those ingredients does not make it a custard. Is a birthday cake a custard too? It has eggs milk and sugar, and its baked!

Cheese cake is a cake. End of story.

Pies use crust to contain filling, a cake does not.

But the fact that cheesecake is ONLY eggs, sugar, dairy, and cream cheese (with a dash of vanilla) makes it a custard.

Heh, to warp a quote from the P&N forum: "Saying cheesecake is a cake is like saying that being First Lady yields Executive Branch experience!"

Is banana cream pie a custard too? Pies can contain custard, so can cakes, so you arguing that the filling is a custard(which it isn't) really doesn't contribute to the debate anyways.

 

[sactoking]

Banana Cream Pie is a pie. Banana cream filling is a custard. Cheesecake filling is a custard. Cheesecake is neither pie nor cake because it is comprised 100% by filling. There is no 'pastry crust' to make it a pie. Its is not a 'sweet breadlike food', and thus not cake.

It's no different than Lemon Merengue Pie. That is a pie. The lemon filling, however, is a curd. If you were to take the curd, put it in a pan with no crust, and cook it, it would not be a pie.

 

[Kabrinski]

Originally posted by: sactoking
"Cheesecake" is neither pie nor cake, but custard.

From dictionary.com:
cake /ke?k/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[keyk] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation noun, verb, caked, cak·ing.
?noun
1. a sweet, baked, breadlike food, made with or without shortening, and usually containing flour, sugar, baking powder or soda, eggs, and liquid flavoring.
2. a flat, thin mass of bread, esp. unleavened bread.
3. pancake; griddlecake.
4. a shaped or molded mass of other food: a fish cake.
5. a shaped or compressed mass: a cake of soap; a cake of ice.

"Cheesecake" is not 'breadlike'. "Cheesecake" is not akin to unleavened bread. "Cheesecake" is not akin to a pancake. It is not molded from other food. It is not a compressed mass. "Cheesecake" is not cake.

pie1 /pa?/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[pahy] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
?noun
1. a baked food having a filling of fruit, meat, pudding, etc., prepared in a pastry-lined pan or dish and often topped with a pastry crust: apple pie; meat pie.
2. a layer cake with a filling of custard, cream jelly, or the like: chocolate cream pie.

"Cheesecake" is not prepared in a pastry-lined pan. It is, by definition already, not a cake. "Cheesecake" is not a pie.

cus·tard /'k?st?rd/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[kuhs-terd] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
?noun
a dessert made of eggs, sugar, and milk, either baked, boiled, or frozen.

"Cheesecake" is a CUSTARD!

(Also, the tomato is a FRUIT, etymologically speaking. Just b/c the Supreme Court voted it a legal vegetable for interstate taxation reasons does not change the facts.)

The filling is a custard, yes, but in the form that we all know and love (with crust on bottom and/or sides - depending on what type of cheesecake), it is a PIE. Re-read the definition of a pie. This falls right in with it.

 

[FDF12389]

Originally posted by: sactoking
Banana Cream Pie is a pie. Banana cream filling is a custard. Cheesecake filling is a custard. Cheesecake is neither pie nor cake because it is comprised 100% by filling. There is no 'pastry crust' to make it a pie. Its is not a 'sweet breadlike food', and thus not cake.

It's no different than Lemon Merengue Pie. That is a pie. The lemon filling, however, is a curd. If you were to take the curd, put it in a pan with no crust, and cook it, it would not be a pie.

No, cheesecakes almost always have a bottom only crust, and often contain multiple layers.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: cheesecakeisnotapie
when i heard that pie was actually winning this debate i had to join the forums to weigh in.

Cheesecake is a CAKE.

When the ingredients of a cake are mixed together, they come together to form a separate entity which must be baked before it becomes a cake.

Pie fillings are generally just a jumble of things that stay separate when mixed up together. For the most part, pie fillings do not need to be baked to be eaten.



A better debate would be if meat pies are really pies or not.

What about pizza pie?

 

[sactoking]

pas·try /'pe?stri/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[pey-stree] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
?noun, plural -tries.
1. a sweet baked food made of dough, esp. the shortened paste used for pie crust and the like.
2. any item of food of which such dough forms an essential part, as a pie, tart, or napoleon.

I've never seen a cheesecake with a 'pastry crust'. Graham crackers + butter is not pastry. Pie = fail.

 

[FDF12389]

Originally posted by: sactoking
pas·try /'pe?stri/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[pey-stree] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
?noun, plural -tries.
1. a sweet baked food made of dough, esp. the shortened paste used for pie crust and the like.
2. any item of food of which such dough forms an essential part, as a pie, tart, or napoleon.

I've never seen a cheesecake with a 'pastry crust'. Graham crackers + butter is not pastry. Pie = fail.

Where did I use the word pastry? I agree though, pie=fail.

 

[FDF12389]

So have we resolved that it is indeed a cake?

 

[Aquila76]

I believe it to be pie due to the lack of rising agent and crust-like base. Regardless of what it may be, nothing feels quite like sitting bare-assed in one.

 

[everman]

It's pie. /thread

 

[chevyman88]

Tis pie.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: Ramma2
I've always thought of a cake as something that rises when you bake it. When you bake a classic cheesecake, it rises in the oven then settles after baking.

Pies do not rise.

Cheese cake = cake

Chocolate/lemon meringue pie?

 

[biggestmuff]

Originally posted by: FDF12389

Originally posted by: sactoking
"Cheesecake" is neither pie nor cake, but custard.

From dictionary.com:
cake /ke?k/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[keyk] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation noun, verb, caked, cak·ing.
?noun
1. a sweet, baked, breadlike food, made with or without shortening, and usually containing flour, sugar, baking powder or soda, eggs, and liquid flavoring.
2. a flat, thin mass of bread, esp. unleavened bread.
3. pancake; griddlecake.
4. a shaped or molded mass of other food: a fish cake.
5. a shaped or compressed mass: a cake of soap; a cake of ice.

"Cheesecake" is not 'breadlike'. "Cheesecake" is not akin to unleavened bread. "Cheesecake" is not akin to a pancake. It is not molded from other food. It is not a compressed mass. "Cheesecake" is not cake.

pie1 /pa?/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[pahy] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
?noun
1. a baked food having a filling of fruit, meat, pudding, etc., prepared in a pastry-lined pan or dish and often topped with a pastry crust: apple pie; meat pie.
2. a layer cake with a filling of custard, cream jelly, or the like: chocolate cream pie.

"Cheesecake" is not prepared in a pastry-lined pan. It is, by definition already, not a cake. "Cheesecake" is not a pie.

cus·tard /'k?st?rd/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[kuhs-terd] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
?noun
a dessert made of eggs, sugar, and milk, either baked, boiled, or frozen.

"Cheesecake" is a CUSTARD!

(Also, the tomato is a FRUIT, etymologically speaking. Just b/c the Supreme Court voted it a legal vegetable for interstate taxation reasons does not change the facts.)

No, just because cheesecake includes those ingredients does not make it a custard. Is a birthday cake a custard too? It has eggs milk and sugar, and its baked!

Cheese cake is a cake. End of story.

Pies use crust to contain filling, a cake does not.

Cheesecake is a pie with a custard filling.

 

[biggestmuff]

Originally posted by: cheesecakeisnotapie
when i heard that pie was actually winning this debate i had to join the forums to weigh in.

Cheesecake is a CAKE.

When the ingredients of a cake are mixed together, they come together to form a separate entity which must be baked before it becomes a cake.

Pie fillings are generally just a jumble of things that stay separate when mixed up together. For the most part, pie fillings do not need to be baked to be eaten.



A better debate would be if meat pies are really pies or not.

Cheesecake doesn't have to be baked. It's a pie.

 

[ColdFusion718]

cheesecake

 

[wirelessenabled]

Pie


Delicious cheesecake with huckleberries ummmmmmm good:thumbsup:

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: Zim Hosein

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Cheesecake.

in a piecrust!

Regardless, it is called cheesecake, and therefore it's a type of cake.

It's definitely more pie-like, but whoever named it decided that it's a cake. There you go.

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: biggestmuff

Originally posted by: FDF12389

Originally posted by: sactoking
"Cheesecake" is neither pie nor cake, but custard.

From dictionary.com:
cake /ke?k/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[keyk] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation noun, verb, caked, cak·ing.
?noun
1. a sweet, baked, breadlike food, made with or without shortening, and usually containing flour, sugar, baking powder or soda, eggs, and liquid flavoring.
2. a flat, thin mass of bread, esp. unleavened bread.
3. pancake; griddlecake.
4. a shaped or molded mass of other food: a fish cake.
5. a shaped or compressed mass: a cake of soap; a cake of ice.

"Cheesecake" is not 'breadlike'. "Cheesecake" is not akin to unleavened bread. "Cheesecake" is not akin to a pancake. It is not molded from other food. It is not a compressed mass. "Cheesecake" is not cake.

pie1 /pa?/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[pahy] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
?noun
1. a baked food having a filling of fruit, meat, pudding, etc., prepared in a pastry-lined pan or dish and often topped with a pastry crust: apple pie; meat pie.
2. a layer cake with a filling of custard, cream jelly, or the like: chocolate cream pie.

"Cheesecake" is not prepared in a pastry-lined pan. It is, by definition already, not a cake. "Cheesecake" is not a pie.

cus·tard /'k?st?rd/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[kuhs-terd] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
?noun
a dessert made of eggs, sugar, and milk, either baked, boiled, or frozen.

"Cheesecake" is a CUSTARD!

(Also, the tomato is a FRUIT, etymologically speaking. Just b/c the Supreme Court voted it a legal vegetable for interstate taxation reasons does not change the facts.)

No, just because cheesecake includes those ingredients does not make it a custard. Is a birthday cake a custard too? It has eggs milk and sugar, and its baked!

Cheese cake is a cake. End of story.

Pies use crust to contain filling, a cake does not.

Cheesecake is a pie with a custard filling.

And a graham cracker crust of corruption!

 

[everman]

What about Boston cream pie? It's clearly not pie, but rather a cake with custard filling. I love boston cream pie cake.

 

[Spineshank]

Originally posted by: everman
What about Boston cream pie? It's clearly not pie, but rather a cake with custard filling. I love boston cream pie cake.

Its pie filling in a pie crust...how do you get its a cake?

 

[everman]

Originally posted by: Gnrslash4life

Originally posted by: everman
What about Boston cream pie? It's clearly not pie, but rather a cake with custard filling. I love boston cream pie cake.

Its pie filling in a pie crust...how do you get its a cake?

....because it has layers of what is clearly cake.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: Gnrslash4life

Originally posted by: everman
What about Boston cream pie? It's clearly not pie, but rather a cake with custard filling. I love boston cream pie cake.

Its pie filling in a pie crust...how do you get its a cake?

It's not 'IN' anything. It sits atop a layer of biscuit, therefore it is a cake.