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Bryophyte

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Originally posted by: ViRGE
Seeing as how most cheesecakes don't involve flour in the filling (the thing that makes cake cake), I decree it's a pie.

The presence of flour is not necessary for a 'cake' designation. There are some very fine flourless cakes.

I posit that it is neither cake nor pie. It is more akin to a custard-like dessert. Lots of eggs and dairy.


 

Dirigible

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Apr 26, 2006
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Originally posted by: biggestmuff
You 'cake' people are wrong.

Exhibit A: Alton Brown

Alton Brown is entertaining and does good things explaining what's going on in cooking stuff, but he's also a crackpot.
 

Spineshank

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Jun 8, 2001
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Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Gnrslash4life
Originally posted by: jjones
Originally posted by: Gnrslash4life
Wikipedia says its cake so there!

Actually its not made in a pie pan, therefor not pie.
What a shock to find Wikipedia wrong once again.

It's a pie because it does not rise like a cake does and it has a crust that is filled. Cakes do not have crusts.

Um, cheesecake does rise. Unless your making some instant shit off the shelf from the grocery store.

what is the rising agent used?

Not all cheesecake is made the same. Some dont rise but some rise. Im not saying they rise like a cake or anything but they do a little.
 

DivideBYZero

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Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Originally posted by: jjones
Originally posted by: Gnrslash4life
Wikipedia says its cake so there!

Actually its not made in a pie pan, therefor not pie.
What a shock to find Wikipedia wrong once again.

It's a pie because it does not rise like a cake does and it has a crust that is filled. Cakes do not have crusts.

It has a base, it does not have a 'crust'.

Hm, yes, a crust must extend from the bottom to cover the sides, I believe.

Exactly. The design of the base leaves us with this very conundrum.
 

nakedfrog

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Apr 3, 2001
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Originally posted by: Bryophyte
Originally posted by: ViRGE
Seeing as how most cheesecakes don't involve flour in the filling (the thing that makes cake cake), I decree it's a pie.

The presence of flour is not necessary for a 'cake' designation. There are some very fine flourless cakes.

I posit that it is neither cake nor pie. It is more akin to a custard-like dessert. Lots of eggs and dairy.

You're throwing this whole debate into a tizzy! Neither cake nor pie, what then are we to call it?
 

Ramma2

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Jul 29, 2002
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Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: Bryophyte
Originally posted by: ViRGE
Seeing as how most cheesecakes don't involve flour in the filling (the thing that makes cake cake), I decree it's a pie.

The presence of flour is not necessary for a 'cake' designation. There are some very fine flourless cakes.

I posit that it is neither cake nor pie. It is more akin to a custard-like dessert. Lots of eggs and dairy.

You're throwing this whole debate into a tizzy! Neither cake nor pie, what then are we to call it?

Put it into the same category as a Crème brûlée. Whatever that is.
 

Kabrinski

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Oct 21, 2002
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Originally posted by: Dirigible
Originally posted by: biggestmuff
You 'cake' people are wrong.

Exhibit A: Alton Brown

Alton Brown is entertaining and does good things explaining what's going on in cooking stuff, but he's also a crackpot.

Even if he is a crackpot, he's still right about it. Cheesecake is a pie.
 

lokiju

Lifer
May 29, 2003
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Originally posted by: BurnItDwn
Where is the "delicious" option?
I vote that cheesecake is delicious.

Reminds me of this quote from Super Troopers.

Police Chief Grady: I'm sorry about that delousing. Just standard procedure.
Farva: It's powdered sugar.
Police Chief Grady: The lice hate the sugar.
Farva: [deadpanning] It's delicious.
 

Dirigible

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Apr 26, 2006
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Originally posted by: Born2bwire
Originally posted by: Dirigible
Originally posted by: biggestmuff
You 'cake' people are wrong.

Exhibit A: Alton Brown

Alton Brown is entertaining and does good things explaining what's going on in cooking stuff, but he's also a crackpot.

What makes him a crackpot?

His crackpot ideas, of course!

Alton Brown: I hate unitaskers! (Pulls out a unitasker.) This is not a unitasker because (some BS reason).

Alton Brown: Here's a really easy way to do something, anyone can do it no matter how busy. (Starts some long involved process that 99% of people would never go through the trouble to do.)

Alton Brown: Here's something kids will love. (Makes something no kid would touch with a 10-foot pole.)

Plus, he has unsound ideas on cheese grating. I mean, please. You can't get good leverage when using a four-sided grater, and his little cheese collection container at the bottom of his grater is way too small. You need a planar grater if you're grating by hand and want efficiency. :p

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
You're throwing this whole debate into a tizzy! Neither cake nor pie, what then are we to call it?

I was already in a tizzy before Bryophyte's post.
 

Bryophyte

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Apr 25, 2001
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Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: Bryophyte
Originally posted by: ViRGE
Seeing as how most cheesecakes don't involve flour in the filling (the thing that makes cake cake), I decree it's a pie.

The presence of flour is not necessary for a 'cake' designation. There are some very fine flourless cakes.

I posit that it is neither cake nor pie. It is more akin to a custard-like dessert. Lots of eggs and dairy.

You're throwing this whole debate into a tizzy! Neither cake nor pie, what then are we to call it?

A vegan nightmare. Or delicious. Your choice.
 

nakedfrog

No Lifer
Apr 3, 2001
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Originally posted by: Bryophyte
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: Bryophyte
Originally posted by: ViRGE
Seeing as how most cheesecakes don't involve flour in the filling (the thing that makes cake cake), I decree it's a pie.

The presence of flour is not necessary for a 'cake' designation. There are some very fine flourless cakes.

I posit that it is neither cake nor pie. It is more akin to a custard-like dessert. Lots of eggs and dairy.

You're throwing this whole debate into a tizzy! Neither cake nor pie, what then are we to call it?

A vegan nightmare. Or delicious. Your choice.

I can't choose between those either!
 

sdifox

No Lifer
Sep 30, 2005
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PIE!!!! whoever called it a cheesecake in the first place should be shot... fine, too late for that, how about just lynch the remains?
 

glutenberg

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Sep 2, 2004
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Originally posted by: ViRGE
Seeing as how most cheesecakes don't involve flour in the filling (the thing that makes cake cake), I decree it's a pie.

There are flourless chocolate cakes out there.
 

mattocs

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Jan 25, 2005
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I don't think its either. Its a cheesecake.

I guess if its anything, its a variety of cake.
 

miketheidiot

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meltdown75

Lifer
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i voted pie

simply because the cheesecake we had on the weekend was cut into pie-slices. no other reason.

so delicious