This Mostly White City Wants To Leave Its Mostly Black School District

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compuwiz1

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Racists trot this out when they prefer spending gubmint welfare on whites only.



Good to know how important this is to you.

Are you going to answer the question, or not?
I suspect you're dodging it, for a reason.
 

Ackmed

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Are you going to answer the question, or not?
I suspect you're dodging it, for a reason.

I don't have any idea really what you're talking about other than you think he's someone else. For me personally, he's a newcomer that does little else than troll, while insulting and throw out the race card, while using racist remarks all the time. I don't think anyone uses race as much. So many posts in one day? Geez. All while hiding behind a name with zero context of who he (or she) is. Context adds to credibility of an argument. Picture thread readily available, but like most, declines to add anything. Hiding and insulting. One of the worst members we have now, and why I choose to ignore their posts all together. He and kazukian both spam the forums in a negative way more than anyone else.
 

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I don't have any idea really what you're talking about other than you think he's someone else. For me personally, he's a newcomer that does little else than troll, while insulting and throw out the race card, while using racist remarks all the time. I don't think anyone uses race as much. So many posts in one day? Geez. All while hiding behind a name with zero context of who he (or she) is. Context adds to credibility of an argument. Picture thread readily available, but like most, declines to add anything. Hiding and insulting. One of the worst members we have now, and why I choose to ignore their posts all together. He and kazukian both spam the forums in a negative way more than anyone else.

Let's not pretend you're bright enough to form a coherent counterargument against the points made, or really, even understand what's being said in the first place.
 

chucky2

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I don't have any idea really what you're talking about other than you think he's someone else. snip

The mods (or at least, a mod) says he/she/it isn't an Alt trolling, but obviously enough random people asked about it for it to be made a statement he/she/it isn't. Whether we can trust the mod and/or the mod would have the capability to know is another story...but officially, he/she/it is legit.

Personally, and this would be my personal plea to you guys - please don't advocate for banning. These forums are for our entertainment (else why would we be here), and there just aren't a lot of "newcomers" around. Who do we have that provides LULZ entertainment with consistent frequency? Moonie, but he/she can't carry all the load. Jhhnnnn, Yes, but his schtick is consistent so it gets stale. Nickie, but again, it gets stale unless you're like me and appreciate Nicking. We had JKWhiteGuilter back in the '17 year old racist thug gets shot' days but unfortunately he's gone (a pity, he actually was brave enough to express the White Guilter derangement inside Lefty mentality, it was refreshing). So who else do we have? Like it or not, 'Yeah I like apples' fills a role here and that role is providing enough entertainment it makes this forum worth reading for at minimum some laughs. If you guys get him/her/it banned/vacationed, what are we going to do then?
 
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chucky2

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I (Caucasian kid on welfare at the time) went to a Magnet program in an inner city HS that was about 1% white. snip

My cousin has a kid like this, except he went from being "gifted" at the local shit hole I linked to, to a upper-middle class school system and is now average - apparently his "gifts" aren't too impressive in a system that isn't filled with losers.

Doing what you (and he) did works for the very people who are in that position, but it doesn't help anyone in the shit hole schools a bit.
 

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The mods (or at least, a mod) says he/she/it isn't an Alt trolling, but obviously enough random people asked about it for it to be made a statement he/she/it isn't. Whether we can trust the mod and/or the mod would have the capability to know is another story...but officially, he/she/it is legit.

Personally, and this would be my personal plea to you guys - please don't advocate for banning. These forums are for our entertainment (else why would we be here), and there just aren't a lot of "newcomers" around. Who do we have that provides LULZ entertainment with consistent frequency? Moonie, but he/she can't carry all the load. Jhhnnnn, Yes, but his schtick is consistent so it gets stale. Nickie, but again, it gets stale unless you're like me and appreciate Nicking. Why had JKWhiteGuilter back in the '17 year old racist thug gets shot' days but unfortunately he's gone (a pity, he actually was brave enough to express the White Guilter derangement inside Lefty mentality, it was refreshing). So who else do we have? Like it or not, 'Yeah I like apples' fills a role here and that role is providing enough entertainment it makes this forum worth reading for at minimum some laughs. If you guys get him/her/it banned/vacationed, what are we going to do then?

This is pretty good example of how the conservative mind works. If enough of them believe in something no matter how dumb and/or unsubstantiated, it must be true.

But in all fairness this is how humans thought before some of the smarter ones figured out reasoning/empiricism.
 

Ackmed

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The mods (or at least, a mod) says he/she/it isn't an Alt trolling, but obviously enough random people asked about it for it to be made a statement he/she/it isn't. Whether we can trust the mod and/or the mod would have the capability to know is another story...but officially, he/she/it is legit.

I gathered that much, just didn't know who he thought this guy was/is. Doesn't really matter. It is a little hinky him suddenly making an account and posting so much, in a certain way. I'm not advocating banning of anyone, just voicing my opinion.

He's extremely corrosive to these forums. Tossing out the race card so often, and when it'd not even valid. Using racists terms all the time. Constantly doing that actually keeps racism on the forefront. It makes it more of a problem than it should be. He's part of the race problem, not the answer he sees himself as. Just like when media inserts race when they don't need to, stoking the fires because its good for clicks. Keep insulting a certain type of people, blanket calling them white supremacist and the like. I'm sure he sees himself as some righteous fighter doling out truth to people lesser than him. To me it just seems pathetic. But that's enough, keeping on about it gives him what he wants, and I'm done doing that.
 

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This is pretty good example of how the conservative mind works. If enough of them believe in something no matter how dumb and/or unsubstantiated, it must be true.

But in all fairness this is how humans thought before some of the smarter ones figured out reasoning/empiricism.

I think your categorization of this cognitive error as being attached to conservativism is misplaced. But I don't intend to create an equivalency, either. It is an approach which has infested the Republican leadership especially recently, and extends at least to vocal conservatives (I am not intending to imply directionality in origin; I haven't put much effort to pondering that).

Unfortunately, this deficit emboldens Democrats to be overconfident in their own distortions.

I think we are all just people, and the result of being attacked for our beliefs and reasoning largely pushes us to seek comfort in the arms of those who we identify with instead of opening ourselves up to the faults in our assessments.

I imagine if we interacted with each other and grouped together with a different topic than politics, we'd find commonality that betrays our party affiliations. What we see in ourselves and others need not be so inflexible. It's killing us.
 
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Sunburn74

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True beyond a shadow of a doubt.

The professional welfare milkers applaud you sir.
My general belief is that in terms of life success personal responsibility and other terms like it are a minor minor factor. It doesn't even come into play until so many other things have to go right.

In a game of basketball I can play really really hard and can have extreme levels of drive. I can be tough as nails and can wake up every day at 430 am to train. However I won't win the game if the team I'm playing against gets a 100 point lead to begin with and also get to use jetpacks. That is our current system of education, employment, health care, and general mechanism of upward social drift.

If you study social sciences and models of change (social cognitive theory, environmental behavioral models, etc) they almost all heavily downplay the role of personal factors like drive and will and self control etc and etc because before these even come to be relevant so many other barriers and factors have to be addressed first. People look at the tree growing in a field and say wow what a resilient tree. They don't however talk about how that tree when it was a seed didn't get eaten by a pig or a bird or get crushed under the foot of a chance passerby. They don't talk about how when the wind carried it as a seed it by chance landed in a fertile backyard and not a concrete street or the ocean. They don't talk about how at the time the tree was a sapling, laws were in place to protect trees at the expense of vines and bushes and when those laws were finally reversed it was too late to do anything about the trees which already were dominating all the water and fertilizer for the area and would need to continue to do so due to their sheer size. No they just talk about the awesome trees and how they did everything themselves because they are so awesome and have great genes and great drive. And all the other plants that aren't huge trees were just lazy.
 

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I think your categorization of this cognitive error as being attached to conservativism is misplaced. But I don't intend to create an equivalency, either. It is an approach which has infested the Republican leadership especially recently, and extends at least to vocal conservatives (I am not intending to imply directionality in origin; I haven't put much effort to pondering that).

Unfortunately, this deficit emboldens Democrats to be overconfident in their own distortions.

I think we are all just people, and the result of being attacked for our beliefs and reasoning largely pushes us to seek comfort in the arms of those who we identify with instead of opening ourselves up to the faults in our assessments.

I imagine if we interacted with each other and grouped together with a different topic than politics, we'd find commonality that betrays our party affiliations. What we see in ourselves and others need not be so inflexible. It's killing us.

First, categorizing X as an instance of Y doesn't implies it's the only instance of Y.

Second, when a group largely speaks to white identity by their contrasting categorization of this and that minority, it's hardly unfair to take them at their intent. I'm sure some have had a reasonable upbringing rooted in moral ethnics, but you wouldn't know it from how a surprising proportion choose to behave. Now you might argue this isn't a representative vocal minority, but consider that a moral group would condemn individuals which cast a poor light on the rest, and how often we see the white country types supported instead.
 

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My general belief is that in terms of life success personal responsibility and other terms like it are a minor minor factor. It doesn't even come into play until so many other things have to go right.

In a game of basketball I can play really really hard and can have extreme levels of drive. I can be tough as nails and can wake up every day at 430 am to train. However I won't win the game if the team I'm playing against gets a 100 point lead to begin with and also get to use jetpacks. That is our current system of education, employment, health care, and general mechanism of upward social drift. .
Learning is a personal activity not a group activity where all members contribute to the success of the group. A person must decide the level of effort they want to exert to achieve learning and that requires personal responsibility in the effort. If you fail to learn then you did not apply yourself enough and that lies solely upon your individual shoulders. If my neighbor enrolls in a class and barely passes I am not responsible for their low achievement. If I enroll in the same class and achieve an A it was because I took personal responsibility in my learning which educators refer to as self efficacy. High self efficacy is required to learn any material and will promote the transfer of learning at a greater rate than someone who uses Cliff Notes and then can't do better than a D.

If a school wishes to separate itself because they wish to preserve the integrity of their academic programs this is not racist it is academic protectionism. If my children were enrolled in a school that had a track record of superior academic performance I would not want the school to lower its standards to those of lesser performing schools which only encourages mediocrity.

Lets just get right down to it. Most companies require a specific level of self efficacy in order for them to invest in your professional development so they don't waste their time and money on poor performing employees. The norm is a 3.0 GPA or higher and if you cannot achieve this level of performance I wouldn't want to work with you either.
 
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This is pretty good example of how the conservative mind works. If enough of them believe in something no matter how dumb and/or unsubstantiated, it must be true.

But in all fairness this is how humans thought before some of the smarter ones figured out reasoning/empiricism.

First, categorizing X as an instance of Y doesn't implies it's the only instance of Y.

Second, when a group largely speaks to white identity by their contrasting categorization of this and that minority, it's hardly unfair to take them at their intent. I'm sure some have had a reasonable upbringing rooted in moral ethnics, but you wouldn't know it from how a surprising proportion choose to behave. Now you might argue this isn't a representative vocal minority, but consider that a moral group would condemn individuals which cast a poor light on the rest, and how often we see the white country types supported instead.

Didn't you apply the same distortion to conservatives as you accuse conservatives of applying to race?

I agree that the latter distortion is more reprehensible. Don't throw false equivalency defense at me.
 

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Didn't you apply the same distortion to conservatives as you accuse conservatives of applying to race?

I agree that the latter distortion is more reprehensible. Don't throw false equivalency defense at me.

The perils of racism don't stem from generalization per se, however correct or not; they're instead the rationalizations for otherwise motivated behavior.

Eg. people don't discriminate against blacks because some are welfare queens, they do it since it's beneficial to be higher on the social totem; the welfare queen or whatever is simply how they justify it.
 

Puffnstuff

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This is an example of why you want to maintain good grades in school at any level. If this is not enough to motivate a person to do better then they shouldn't complain about what they have.

TABLE 9.3: Examples of Leadership Development Programs at General Electric
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Noe, Raymond. Employee Training and Development, 6th Edition. McGraw-Hill Learning Solutions, 41183. VitalBook file.
The citation provided is a guideline. Please check each citation for accuracy before use.
 

Sunburn74

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Learning is a personal activity not a group activity where all members contribute to the success of the group. A person must decide the level of effort they want to exert to achieve learning and that requires personal responsibility in the effort. If you fail to learn then you did not apply yourself enough and that lies solely upon your individual shoulders. If my neighbor enrolls in a class and barely passes I am not responsible for their low achievement. If I enroll in the same class and achieve an A it was because I took personal responsibility in my learning which educators refer to as self efficacy. High self efficacy is required to learn any material and will promote the transfer of learning at a greater rate than someone who uses Cliff Notes and then can't do better than a D.

If a school wishes to separate itself because they wish to preserve the integrity of their academic programs this is not racist it is academic protectionism. If my children were enrolled in a school that had a track record of superior academic performance I would not want the school to lower its standards to those of lesser performing schools which only encourages mediocrity.

Lets just get right down to it. Most companies require a specific level of self efficacy in order for them to invest in your professional development so they don't waste their time and money on poor performing employees. The norm is a 3.0 GPA or higher and if you cannot achieve this level of performance I wouldn't want to work with you either.

You keep bring up bandura and SCT and like I said, he would seriously chide you to see what you're writing in his name. If you're interested in improving self efficacy you don't change the person. You change the environment. You remove barriers and give catalysts to improve self efficacy. You do not simply tell the person to be more responsive or have more will power and etc.

Also in terms of learning, by the time you're in 11th grade you've already had 17 years of education. That education compounds on itself. How many of these bad kids in high school tell you "actually I went to like the best kindergarten and elementary schools in town when I was 7 and was participating in rocket clubs, and soccer leagues, and etc and when I hit high school that's when it all fell apart and I suddenly started getting bad grades"
 

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The perils of racism don't stem from generalization per se, however correct or not; they're instead the rationalizations for otherwise motivated behavior.

Eg. people don't discriminate against blacks because some are welfare queens, they do it since it's beneficial to be higher on the social totem; the welfare queen or whatever is simply how they justify it.

This is a sideways answer to my post, but nonetheless it is worthy. I agree with your framework as part of the answer. This provides the impetus for this kind of generalized rationalizations. But that motivation is ever present in all of us when looking at any grouping of individuals different than us. The protection from it is not simply awareness that it is a fallacy (else you would have been protected from application to the generalization of conservatives), but rather from maintaining an identification with the other garnered from experience.

In any event, you should know that I have a lot of respect for you. On this site, you are a veritable paragon of reason and logical accountability, striving for an ideal vision of self that is balanced and not driven by ambition. You remind me a lot of Thomas Jefferson. Like him, you are quite progressive in your values and recognize the power of your skills. You are quite good at practicing along your ideals. Better than me, and certainly better than me when I learned that shedding my humanity to achieve these ideals was the wrong path.

Unfortunately, the man who penned the words "all men are created equal" also owned and utilize hundreds of slaves. He treated them much more fairly than others, and advocated for their eventual freedom, but still inherently recognized them as an inferior man.

I am hopeful that you can transform your striving to achieve this ideal (and thus tying the integrity of your identity to your perceived success in this matter) instead to a value that complements the remainder of your humanity. Our humanity is the best of us. You need not see it in conflict with the goodness you possess and strive to see in yourself. I am only human, too. I've had more success integrating that ideal realistically in my life, though, by embracing how the rest of me made me destined to fall short of it. Free your slaves.
 

chucky2

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I gathered that much, just didn't know who he thought this guy was/is. snip

Don't worry, the funny thing is, this loser doesn't really know who he/she/it is either...it's one of things I appreciate about it posting. :D
 

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Also in terms of learning, by the time you're in 11th grade you've already had 17 years of education. That education compounds on itself. How many of these bad kids in high school tell you "actually I went to like the best kindergarten and elementary schools in town when I was 7 and was participating in rocket clubs, and soccer leagues, and etc and when I hit high school that's when it all fell apart and I suddenly started getting bad grades"

THAT is my son. A solid B student his entire life and now he is in high school with nothing but D's and possibly F's this year. Loves school but does not give a flying fuck about his grades. He has a wonderful future of waiting tables ahead of him...
 

chucky2

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THAT is my son. A solid B student his entire life and now he is in high school with nothing but D's and possibly F's this year. Loves school but does not give a flying fuck about his grades. He has a wonderful future of waiting tables ahead of him...

Do you live in some almost all black area or something?
 

bshole

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Do you live in some almost all black area or something?

I moved from a white neighborhood to a middle class multicultural area. My son previously was in a Catholic middle school and doing fine. He is now big time into drugs and rap and hanging with his friends. He isn't into sports anymore either.

He also had a few run-ins with law enforcement and has been suspended several times from school. A real winner.