Discussion This is why retail businesses don't succeed in America without heavy markups..

[ch33zw1z]

I never believed people would actually vote for bad things to happen out of spite but I'm starting to see why they hate you all so much.

The holier than thou attitude really does piss a lot of former libs off to break off and just stick it to the rest. And they think they'll be no worse than they already are because nothing will change from Washington anyways.

So why not make a buck on the stock market and stick it to the people who bother us online. Just like every mass shooter really pissed off at someone except the voters didn't choose guns as their form of aggression.

Standard projection here. Youre falling into the feelings trap. As someone raised strict conservative Christian, I can point out holier than thou attitudes with ease, and progressives really aren’t like that. But you know who is? MAGA. So go find out for real.

 

[ch33zw1z]

LOL you need to spend some time in a rural red area. Old white MAGAs are the most condescending, 'holier than thou' assholes I've ever met.

This, so much this.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Vetting equals finding a source that aligns with your beliefs.

Certainly a possibility, but not an always thing. This really requires the person to be honest with themselves. Not an overwhelmingly strong trait among humans

 

[ch33zw1z]

Welcome to meth. Yes, crime will go up during a meth epidemic. Crime will go back down when the current crop of users dies. Wait five years and the next crop of users incapable of learning from the deaths of the previous users comes along and crime goes back up. Smalltown USA has been through multiple cycles now. Meth can be made cheaply at home so there isn't any government response to meth use itself that wouldn't involve serious abuse of civil liberties.

Just think how cheap the meth will be when Canada becomes the 51st state. I’m sure big red can’t wait! The winning will be tremendous

 

[cytg111]

Do I really need to present evidence?? LOL

Your they don't exist so they don't need to do anything explanation did a beautiful job convincing people for the election didn't it?!?!?!

People clearly thought otherwise! FFS

Trump received about 100,000 more votes than he did in 2020. Map data in Manhattan showed he was up over 5%; over 11% in the Bronx; 6% in Brooklyn; about 11% in Queens and about 8% on Staten Island.

You just can't accept it and wanna go at me thinking an argument on the internet means more than what the country decides.

Good Luck with that.. *blows kiss*

Correlation and causation stuff goes here. I think you need to provide the evidence that people shifted Trump BECAUSE of the issues you claim... Otherwise one might be inclined to just think "Inflation".

 

[iRONic]

Came in to post the ^same^ thing.


Edit: the shithole town.

 

[cytg111]

I asked previously, 🤷‍♂️

And its back to red-crickets. Amazing.

 

[brycejones]

And its back to red-crickets. Amazing.

From the examples he cited previously I think he struggles with understanding how sometimes self defense can turn into a criminal act as the situation changes. One of his examples was of someone even lying in wait to take revenge at a later date.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Ahhhhh

So you want a war on drugs. That's been so successful before.

What are the underlying issues that are putting people in a psychological state where they are turning to drugs? Drug abuse is a symptom of larger problems.

We don't even need a war on drugs, just go back to how things were before. This wasn't an issue like 10-15 years ago. At least not to the point it is now.

 

[brycejones]

We don't even need a war on drugs, just go back to how things were before. This wasn't an issue like 10-15 years ago. At least not to the point it is now.

So you think you understand the underlying cause. What specifically has changed in the 10-15 years that needs to be undone for crime and drug abuse to stop being a major concern for you?

Is it a specific economic issue(s) or social issue(s)?

 

[Red Squirrel]

So you think you understand the underlying cause. What specifically has changed in the 10-15 years that needs to be undone for crime and drug abuse to stop being a major concern for you?

Is it a specific economic issue(s) or social issue(s)?

Could spin around all day trying to pin point the exact cause but reality is whatever was going on 15 years ago worked, go back to that. Trudeau's catch and release program, and making drugs legal is probably a big part of it. Reverse that at least.

 

[brycejones]

Could spin around all day trying to pin point the exact cause but reality is whatever was going on 15 years ago worked, go back to that. Trudeau's catch and release program, and making drugs legal is probably a big part of it. Reverse that at least.

Look in all seriousness if you are right and could figure out the right policy mix you could have a future in politics.

Looks like Timmins has higher unemployment than the average and has been suffering population loss for the last 15-20 years. Your community problems go deeper than some recent drug and bail policy changes.

Like I said before increased drug abuse and the crime associated with that drug abuse is a symptom not the root cause.

 

[dank69]

Oof, 9 pages when the OP was nuked from orbit in the first reply? Indus, bro, stop consuming rage bait.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Look in all seriousness if you are right and could figure out the right policy mix you could have a future in politics.

Looks like Timmins has higher unemployment than the average and has been suffering population loss for the last 15-20 years. Your community problems go deeper than some recent drug and bail policy changes.

Like I said before increased drug abuse and the crime associated with that drug abuse is a symptom not the root cause.

I won't pretend to have every single answer, that's why we pay so much taxes and politicians who make 6 figures should be the ones figuring this out. All I know is that it's a problem, and it needs to stop. A basic tool they could give us is the ability to be able to defend ourselves and our property and ability to feel safe by knowing that these scumbags get put in jail instead of let go. Those two things would at least help.

 

[dank69]

I won't pretend to have every single answer, that's why we pay so much taxes and politicians who make 6 figures should be the ones figuring this out. All I know is that it's a problem, and it needs to stop. A basic tool they could give us is the ability to be able to defend ourselves and our property and ability to feel safe by knowing that these scumbags get put in jail instead of let go. Those two things would at least help.

I like how your reply to someone telling you that you are focused on the symptoms instead of the disease is to suggest ways to deal with the symptoms instead of the disease.

 

[iRONic]

JFC… the concept is not that hard to understand! Frozen north has frozen the fucking brain of that squirrel.

 

[Red Squirrel]

I like how your reply to someone telling you that you are focused on the symptoms instead of the disease is to suggest ways to deal with the symptoms instead of the disease.

Because the symptoms are the problem. It should be priority to deal with them.

Of course some effort should go towards figuring out the underlying cause, but the symptoms are what actually make it a problem and should be dealt with. Just like how you take cough syrup or tylenol etc when you're coughing a lot with a bad cold. You're just suppressing the symptoms but it makes it a bit easier to deal with.

 

[MrSquished]

The answer to solving crime, in this case we're mostly speaking of property crime, it's to simply balance out socioeconomic Injustice. You won't eliminate all crime or anything like that but you will eliminate the majority of it.

It's a very obvious and simple answer but when you tell regressive Neanderthals like @Red Squirrel something like this they'll call you a communist. Because they just haven't evolved yet.

This is the primary problem of society is a large segment of the population who are simply not evolved. Cavemen I call them

 

[dank69]

Because the symptoms are the problem. It should be priority to deal with them.

Of course some effort should go towards figuring out the underlying cause, but the symptoms are what actually make it a problem and should be dealt with. Just like how you take cough syrup or tylenol etc when you're coughing a lot with a bad cold. You're just suppressing the symptoms but it makes it a bit easier to deal with.

You take cough syrup or Tylenol because there are no other treatments for a cold. We can effectively eliminate poverty if we wanted to. TV people have convinced you that is communism though.

 

[cytg111]

From the examples he cited previously I think he struggles with understanding how sometimes self defense can turn into a criminal act as the situation changes. One of his examples was of someone even lying in wait to take revenge at a later date.

I think maybe he wants guns rights? And stand your ground stuff? You know to treat the symptoms...

 

[brycejones]

. A basic tool they could give us is the ability to be able to defend ourselves and our property

Once again how specifically are you prevented from defending yourself or your property?

 

[Red Squirrel]

You take cough syrup or Tylenol because there are no other treatments for a cold. We can effectively eliminate poverty if we wanted to. TV people have convinced you that is communism though.

This has nothing to do with poverty, this is about bad people doing bad things, and the law not doing anything to 1: let the victims protect themselves, and 2: actually stop them from doing it in first place, by putting them in jail.

I don't know why you people are against those two basic concepts, that would go a long way to fix the issue and cleanup our streets. If we want to do some sort of psychological study on what is going on in the brain of those people that makes them want to be that way, and try to treat it, sure, could do that too, but the #1 priority should be public safety and getting these people off the streets so we don't have to keep getting assaulted and/or have our stuff stolen all the time. It's a really simple concept. Do it all the time with vermin, you put traps so the mice don't chew up your wires etc. You could spend thousands or more trying to figure out how they're getting in but until you do that, you treat the symptom, by using traps to get rid of them.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Once again how specifically are you prevented from defending yourself or your property?

This is already well known. If you use any kind of force, you are charged for assault.

 

[Red Squirrel]

I think maybe he wants guns rights? And stand your ground stuff? You know to treat the symptoms...

Gun rights would be a plus, but don't even need that. Stand your ground would be a good start. If someone is stealing from me or trying to assault me I should be allowed to break both their knees with a baseball bat and not get in trouble. They came on my property to do harm or to take from me, I shouldn't have to put up with it. Same with business owners, they should not have to put up with people shoplifting or breaking in at night and should be allowed to use force. It's really not that crazy of a concept. Let people protect what they work hard for and stop threats dead in their tracks.

 

[dank69]

This has nothing to do with poverty, this is about bad people doing bad things, and the law not doing anything to 1: let the victims protect themselves, and 2: actually stop them from doing it in first place, by putting them in jail.

It has everything to do with poverty. People who aren't poor don't go around robbing places, aside from the occasional klepto.

I don't know why you people are against those two basic concepts, that would go a long way to fix the issue and cleanup our streets. If we want to do some sort of psychological study on what is going on in the brain of those people that makes them want to be that way, and try to treat it, sure, could do that too, but the #1 priority should be public safety and getting these people off the streets so we don't have to keep getting assaulted and/or have our stuff stolen all the time. It's a really simple concept. Do it all the time with vermin, you put traps so the mice don't chew up your wires etc. You could spend thousands or more trying to figure out how they're getting in but until you do that, you treat the symptom, by using traps to get rid of them.

We're against those basic concepts because statistics show owning a gun makes a person less safe, and police are really bad at stopping active crime. We prefer solutions that actually work.