Discussion This is why retail businesses don't succeed in America without heavy markups..

[NWRMidnight]

Nobody is forcing you to be a cop, that's on the store owner if he wants to protect his property which any property owner would. He should have the rights to do so, it's not that complicated. Blaming theft on lack of staff is just dumb, why should we just accept theft as being a cost of doing business when instead we could simply stop it via proper laws.

It's weird how you people were ok with protesters getting trampled by horses and having their bank accounts frozen and some losing their trucking licenses, being criminally charged etc "for breaking the law" but at the same time not ok with thieves getting in any trouble for stealing other people's property or even giving the ability of property owners to defend what's theirs.

We have proper laws. Most places be it your country or the US don't have the money to have the appropriate number of police / judges, etc, to enforce all the laws and catch and try all the thiefs, and/or there isn't enough jail capacity to keep them locked up


What"s funny is you are arguing like theft is new. It's been a thing since the beginning of time. Has it increased over time? Yep! But mainly that is due to population and density increasing, making it more difficult for law enforcement to get a handle on it. it's also increased due to social/economical injustice and desperation.

What I don't think you get, is It's cheaper monetarily and for risk/life, in the long run, for a homeowner or business owner to just let them take it. As a business owner, you risk an employee or a customer getting injured, or killed, which can lead to lawsuits, and such which could lead to the demise of your business costing you exponentially more money.

As a home owner, it could lead to yourself or a family member being injured or killed, as well as a substantially higher monetary cost as you deal with the legal aspects of "defending" you property. Would you have the legal right? Maybe, but that could be tens of thousands of dollars later proving such.

Nobody is okay with people stealing other than the thieves themselves. Some of us just have the ability to look at the whole picture. Stealing is a problem that we need to find a solution for. But having business owners and home owners taking it onto their own hands isn't it, for many reasons beyond why I said here.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I like how my suggestion of hiring more people to reduce opportunities for theft is considered outrageous while arming the staff to hope for good outcomes is considered the easy thing to do.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I like how my suggestion of hiring more people to reduce opportunities for theft is considered outrageous while arming the staff to hope for good outcomes is considered the easy thing to do.

Some folks just wanna see dead people.

Also some of y'all just need a dog. They've been real good for theft protection for like 10,000 years.

 

[nOOky]

I assume every business does regular reviews of costs versus incoming cash and adjusts prices as needed. The wife's business spends more on paying out credit card rewards than theft, but theft in a vet clinic is very minimal. The cost of supplies and drugs and equipment lately have gone up, so the prices get passed along to the consumer. If theft is a higher percentage of a business's loss then prices go up as a result, and everyone helps pay for that.

I would imagine a small mom and pop business has trouble paying to defend against theft and relies on cameras and locks on doors. If someone is actually caught on video and identified for theft and isn't punished then it's obvious the local government there wants them to go out of business. If it's that bad in some locales I feel sorry for them.

 

[eelw]

I like how my suggestion of hiring more people to reduce opportunities for theft is considered outrageous while arming the staff to hope for good outcomes is considered the easy thing to do.

Haven’t said it in a while. But gun nutters!!!

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I assume every business does regular reviews of costs versus incoming cash and adjusts prices as needed. The wife's business spends more on paying out credit card rewards than theft, but theft in a vet clinic is very minimal. The cost of supplies and drugs and equipment lately have gone up, so the prices get passed along to the consumer. If theft is a higher percentage of a business's loss then prices go up as a result, and everyone helps pay for that.

I would imagine a small mom and pop business has trouble paying to defend against theft and relies on cameras and locks on doors. If someone is actually caught on video and identified for theft and isn't punished then it's obvious the local government there wants them to go out of business. If it's that bad in some locales I feel sorry for them.

Dunno if it's still like this, but when I worked at walmart ALL loss (damage and theft) came out of employee bonuses.

 

[Greenman]

I assume every business does regular reviews of costs versus incoming cash and adjusts prices as needed. The wife's business spends more on paying out credit card rewards than theft, but theft in a vet clinic is very minimal. The cost of supplies and drugs and equipment lately have gone up, so the prices get passed along to the consumer. If theft is a higher percentage of a business's loss then prices go up as a result, and everyone helps pay for that.

I would imagine a small mom and pop business has trouble paying to defend against theft and relies on cameras and locks on doors. If someone is actually caught on video and identified for theft and isn't punished then it's obvious the local government there wants them to go out of business. If it's that bad in some locales I feel sorry for them.

It's not that local government want's business to shut down, it's that they don't want to prosecute theft. There are several examples of stores shutting down because of theft and risk to employees, and local government bemoaning the loss.
The issue is policy that doesn't punish theft, it really is that simple.

 

[manly]

Dunno if it's still like this, but when I worked at walmart ALL loss (damage and theft) came out of employee bonuses.

I guess the key word is bonus, but that sounds absolutely ridiculous.


TIL the San Francisco DA sets prosecution standards for not just the entire U.S., but Ontario Canada as well. 🤣

 

[FelixDeCat]

Almost guaranteed that guy is a lazy loafer who smokes weed all day, lives off moms money and steals just to flash dollar bills on instagram.

This is why we need to detain potheads on sight, take their stolen goods and drugs on hand and lock 'em up!

 

[Indus]

Almost guaranteed that guy is a lazy loafer who smokes weed all day, lives off moms money and steals just to flash dollar bills on instagram.

This is why we need to detain potheads on sight, take their stolen goods and drugs on hand and lock 'em up!

You hear that @MrSquished

Apparently Felix is becoming a lefty.. he's become way more "reasonable" than my chopping of hands for recidivism and stealing billions from people via denying insurance!

/s

 

[ch33zw1z]

You hear that @MrSquished

Apparently Felix is becoming a lefty.. he's become way more "reasonable" than my chopping of hands for recidivism and stealing billions from people via denying insurance!

/s

Yea /s, he’s just demonstrating the classic conservative process. Deny something exists, hand waive it away, until it affects you of course, then it’s right to the socialism for at least the in-groups.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Dunno if it's still like this, but when I worked at walmart ALL loss (damage and theft) came out of employee bonuses.

Hasn’t been my experience however theft needs to be accounted for at several places in a very particular fashion otherwise it would hit you audit score which would impact your review and potentially put your job at risk.
Set ups like that are irritating because you are relying upon someone else to account for the missing item(s) correctly. I got in the habit of reporting them to loss prevention and the finance person explaining what happened then store that email until audit day, delete and repeat as necessary.

 

[BoomerD]

I don’t have a problem with killing thieves. Their life is not worth more than someone else’s property.

 

[brycejones]

I don’t have a problem with killing thieves. Their life is not worth more than someone else’s property.

Ok boomerd

 

[Indus]

I don’t have a problem with killing thieves. Their life is not worth more than someone else’s property.

The way I see it.. a man has a right to protect his life, his family, his property, his dog and everything on them!

 

[FelixDeCat]

I don’t have a problem with killing thieves. Their life is not worth more than someone else’s property.

I would not do it either.

In Texas you can use deadly force to protect your property, but I dont have anything that is worth someone's life. You can confront them and hold them for police.

 

[WelshBloke]

You hear that @MrSquished

Apparently Felix is becoming a lefty.. he's become way more "reasonable" than my chopping of hands for recidivism and stealing billions from people via denying insurance!

/s

Or it could be you becoming a righty!

 

[Red Squirrel]

Nobody is okay with people stealing other than the thieves themselves. Some of us just have the ability to look at the whole picture. Stealing is a problem that we need to find a solution for. But having business owners and home owners taking it onto their own hands isn't it, for many reasons beyond why I said here.

But that *IS* the solution. Or at least half of it. The other half is that when cops DO arrest them, they should get jail time, not released. But most importantly we need the right to protect what's ours without getting in trouble for it. We shouldn't be forced to sit there and watch thieves take everything and destroy everything we have. The police can't always be everywhere at all times. Now days cops in my city don't even do anything about it anymore. The justice system just releases them back anyway. If you call because someone is shoplifting or stealing from you they tell you they don't have time for that and hang up on you. They are frustrated at the fact that even if they catch them they'll be out the same night anyway, so why bother.

Theft may not be new, but it's a growing problem because they know they can get away with it. That needs to change. Give property owners right to defend what's theirs and also put thieves in jail when caught, it's that simple really. Those 2 things are THE solution.

 

[WelshBloke]

But that *IS* the solution. Or at least half of it. The other half is that when cops DO arrest them, they should get jail time, not released. But most importantly we need the right to protect what's ours without getting in trouble for it. We shouldn't be forced to sit there and watch thieves take everything and destroy everything we have. The police can't always be everywhere at all times. Now days cops in my city don't even do anything about it anymore. The justice system just releases them back anyway. If you call because someone is shoplifting or stealing from you they tell you they don't have time for that and hang up on you. They are frustrated at the fact that even if they catch them they'll be out the same night anyway, so why bother.

Theft may not be new, but it's a growing problem because they know they can get away with it. That needs to change. Give property owners right to defend what's theirs and also put thieves in jail when caught, it's that simple really. Those 2 things are THE solution.

Most of your posts are complaining about paying tax. Where do you think the money comes from to lock up a shoplifter? And how much do you think that that costs per year?

 

[Indus]

Or it could be you becoming a righty!

When they offer Singlepayer Medicare for All, LGBT equality and marriage, FDIC insurance on bank accounts upto 5 million per person, Nationalize Food, Water, Energy and Internet so they have standard pricing, and basic universal income.. I'll be happy to call myself a righty!

Sadly it's only the left that mentions it but they keep stringing me along rather than actually doing something about it which is pissing me off.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Most of your posts are complaining about paying tax. Where do you think the money comes from to lock up a shoplifter? And how much do you think that that costs per year?

How much money do you think it cost to replace stuff every time it gets stolen? One of the things taxes are for is law enforcement, and we already have jails and we already have law enforcement. What I'm against is all the excessive waste of tax dollars. Get rid of all that waste and we wouldn't need to pay as much as we do. The government just keeps growing and growing constantly making up dumb programs at zero benefit to the people. That's all waste. Slash all that, lower taxes, and go back to making taxes for things that help the people. Protecting people from thieves being one of those things.

There are tons of people in jail for non violent and victimless crimes such as protesting. Free those people to make room for the real criminals.

 

[NWRMidnight]

But that *IS* the solution. Or at least half of it. The other half is that when cops DO arrest them, they should get jail time, not released. But most importantly we need the right to protect what's ours without getting in trouble for it. We shouldn't be forced to sit there and watch thieves take everything and destroy everything we have. The police can't always be everywhere at all times. Now days cops in my city don't even do anything about it anymore. The justice system just releases them back anyway. If you call because someone is shoplifting or stealing from you they tell you they don't have time for that and hang up on you. They are frustrated at the fact that even if they catch them they'll be out the same night anyway, so why bother.

Theft may not be new, but it's a growing problem because they know they can get away with it. That needs to change. Give property owners right to defend what's theirs and also put thieves in jail when caught, it's that simple really. Those 2 things are THE solution

It's clear your reading comprehension is failing you.. I already covered most of your talking points you are trying to argue, specially about law enforcment and jails. You are not thinking this thru at all, or you are incapable of using critical thinking skill. There's a reason citizens/business owners are not supposed to take the law into their own hands.. hell we already have problems with trained officers over reacting and making bad decisions, what do you think will happen if untraineds citizens start staking the law into their own hands? How many innocent people will get harmed? For example, we have alreday had a kid shot, for simply going to the wrong house, do you think such innocodents will increase or decrease if homeowners and businesses start taking the law into their own hands? I dont know whay I am even answering you, as you made it clear you either didn't read what Is said before, or lack the ability to comprehend it, much less exercise an ounce of critical thinking beyond your own ignorance.

 

[NWRMidnight]

How much money do you think it cost to replace stuff every time it gets stolen? One of the things taxes are for is law enforcement, and we already have jails and we already have law enforcement. What I'm against is all the excessive waste of tax dollars. Get rid of all that waste and we wouldn't need to pay as much as we do. The government just keeps growing and growing constantly making up dumb programs at zero benefit to the people. That's all waste. Slash all that, lower taxes, and go back to making taxes for things that help the people. Protecting people from thieves being one of those things.

There are tons of people in jail for non violent and victimless crimes such as protesting. Free those people to make room for the real criminals.

Substantially less than if you took the law into your own hands.. You don't get it, society doesn't have enough law enforcment, nor do they have the jail space (your victimless non violant crime arguement doesn't hold water, specially where protesters are concerned). But I already brought that up, and you ignored it.. It's like you have a mental block.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Substantially less than if you took the law into your own hands.. You don't get it, society doesn't have enough law enforcment, nor do they have the jail space (your victimless non violant crime arguement doesn't hold water, specially where protesters are concerned). But I already brought that up, and you ignored it.. It's like you have a mental block.

So we just let thieves continue to steal and take over our cities because "there's no money" and not enough cops to enforce the law? That's the stupidest thing I ever heard and yes there is money, they just spend it irresponsibly. We pay almost half our salary in taxes to all levels of government. Use that money more responsibly and for things that actually help the tax payers. Protecting the tax payers from constantly having their stuff stolen is a good use of tax money.

And just let people defend their property, it's not that hard. I get there is not enough cops, that's why people should have the right to handle it themselves. That cost nothing, and would be something that could be changed quickly enough. Well as quick as it takes to change legislation, which I guess can be quite slow, but do it anyway.

But not enough jail is a dumb excuse to let crime go rampant. Commit any crime against the government itself such as tax fraud, and see how fast they find a jail cell for you. There is always room and they can always make more room.

It has nothing to do with reading comprehension, I completely understand what is being said and I am disagreeing with it because it is dumb.

 

[manly]

This 🤡 has no idea how expensive it is to incarcerate people.
The only thing dumber in this thread is advocating to chop the hands off of shoplifters.