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HumblePie

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For those saying this isn't true... Uhh, what's untrue about it? This is a very realistic and plauible situation that can occur. Don't think the thought hasn't crossed my mind. Oh wait it has, it's also another reason I'm still single but I don't regret it. I've spent TONS on first dates, second dates, third dates, and never got anywhere. Heck, I spent around $600 a few months ago on a first date that I thought might be a "sure" thing for me (ie maybe an actual start to a relationship as that's what I'm looking for now that I'm 27). This was the daughter of a guy I've known for years but hadn't seen in awhile. He got re-married and has a new daughter (the guy is like 50 something and used to work with my dad) and his daughter was around 21. I thought she was cute and inquired about it with a hint to him asking if she was single. Said yep and got the situation worked out to go on a first date. Got her number, started talking over the phone and seeing if she might be interested in a date. She says she likes going out and then I proceeded to do the normal stuff and find out what she likes to plan a first date the "correct way."

Turns out her 21st bday was coming up and around that time a concert she was wanting to go to was coming into town. I, being the guilible one, figured I'd impress and buy the tickets to take her out. Looked them up, and they were almost sold out and the only available seats through ticketmasters was going to be $151 each plus surcharges. I get it all arranged and we go out. Picked her up (my car, my gas) and drove 30 miles out of my way to the concert. Get there early for a good spot and paid for parking (my money again). Buy us something to eat before the show starts, which is a couple hours away since they have all the "festival" stuff to do. It was a big tour and they bring tons of stuff to do before the music starts but of course alot of it also costs more money. So I paid for the food, drinks, and even t-shirts for her and her "little sister" that just LOVES such-and-such. Frikking expensive t-shirts. Least the beer wasn't TOO expensive.

Several hours later dates over, it was a decent time. We were talking, I thought things were going great and we head back to my car. I start driving her home and talking random crap in the car (small talk). Asked if she liked the show, she loved it and started going on and on about it. Finally I hint, "maybe you'd like to do it again some time." "Sure, but oh, I forgot to mention if we do it's as friends, since I already have a boyfriend."


WTF?!?!? GRRRRRRR..... the whole point of me taking her out was because I thought she was SINGLE, and I even asked ahead of time. I got deceived, and used. She thought nothing of it. It was all I could do to smile at her and keep my tongue in my head to be civil enough on the way back to drop her off.


It wasn't the first time that has happened before (happened 3 times previously where I got lied to by a chick with "baggage" in the form of a boyfriend at the very least). Most of the time in the past, I was young, dumb, and moronic. I beleived in "chivalry" and all that crap, or I used to. Women for the most part have thoroughly peeved me. So now, I don't ask girls out first, I let them ask me (which hasn't worked so far but then again I don't waste hundreds on dates that would never go anywhere either) and if I get another first date I ain't paying for everything up front automatically.

Words can't describe how this is exactly how almost every young "eligible" women I've met thinks of guys and acts around them.

EDIT, and oh, don't get me started on how much a guy spends on a chick even BEFORE a date usually.

Do you know how often I see chicks, at least the decent looking to hot looking, go out all the time (even if they have boyfriends) but for whatever reason, he's not there with them but they go out to bars with other "chicks" to get hit on by guys. Why? free drinks, free food, or other perks. As a single guy looking for a nice girl you can spend tons of cash buying drinks just as an "ice breaker" and never get anywhere.
 

maziwanka

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that was pretty d!ck of the dude to encourage her to buy those drinks. it was implied by the situation that he would have paid. while i'm amused by his change of heart, this story was just a result of the pent up frustration he's had in the past.
 

Phoenix86

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Originally posted by: Judgement
Originally posted by: zerocool84
well why do women have to ASSUME that the guy is paying. women ASSUME waaaaaay to much when going out on a date with a guy. i date a lot and im only 20yrs old and of course i pay most of the time but when i had a serious gf for like 2 years she paid a lot of stuff also. i just think women should at least bring money on a date and not expect a guy to pay for everything. the guy didnt mislead her, she ASSUMED he was paying and you know wut assuming does. he said that if she wants it just get it, well isnt that true, she chose to drink that much and just assumed

You don't think the fact that he purposely made sure he discussed and explained the fact that he wanted seperate tabs when she wasn't there or listening misleading?
No worse than the woman assuming he was paying...

Apparently it wasn't discussed before-hand who was paying, so wouldn't that mean they pay their own way?

The guy is going out of his way to hide the fact the tabs are seperate, but he's also not offering to pay.
 

HumblePie

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I must point out, the guy said IN FRONT of both the waitress and the date. "Tabs" for plural meaning. He specifically asked for seperate checks that way while both could understand. He double checks with the waitress to make sure she understood because it is definately her job to get the checks right and not the girl on the date.

Sorry, I see this happen way to often in similar situations from myself and friends. the break down of the story is basically the guy goes on date with girl. While planning, asks to go to nice, but cheaper alternative place, that he likes and probably thinks she would like too. Girl is a stuck up snob and only wants to go to one of the more expensive and trendy places in town. They get there, and he asks for seperate checks in front of her face. She doesn't realize it because she's so hung up probably on being seen in a trendy place, and still has the audacity to take a phone call while out. She is the one that rings up a ludicrously high bill, not him. He didn't order her drinks or food for her. She ASSUMED and made an a$$ out of herself. Her own damn fault and she gets no sympathy from me.
 

gigapet

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:thumbsup:

well done. fellas take a lesson from this. Don't let those bloodsuckers get you for hard earned dough. Not at least until they are putting out.
 

Hammer

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yeah, that guy is an a$$ but so is the woman. running up a huge bill like that and then trying to stick the guy with the check.
 

Doboji

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Originally posted by: HotChic
Originally posted by: DAGTA
I would buy that guy beers all night to hear his stories!

Remember, women claim to want equal rights but that seems to disappear when the equal responsibilities idea shows up.

Hey now, not all women!

<--- pays for her own damn dates and usually the guy's portion as well.

SHENS
 

alkemyst

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If I were the chick I would have been a little ticked. He knew she was assuming he was covering her.

He should have stated 'hey it's your money/tab, I wouldn't do it, but if you like scotch...'
 

PingSpike

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Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: hypn0tik
Originally posted by: zendari
I disagree. Men being the primary wage earners have very much been a social custom in society for many years of human history. Why would you marry a woman who takes advantage of you from the start?

Exactly.

assuming you are a spineless tool that can't speak up when discussing where to go on a date.

He did speak up. He chose a small irish pub, it was her decision to go to a rich expensive hotel.

Thats the part of the story that doesn't make me feel sorry for him misleading her, which he sort of did. He wanted to go to a cheap place, she suggested somewhere more expensive. And based on the fact she clearly assumed he was footing the whole bill, she had no problem squeezing every dime out of him she could, until the rug got pulled out from under her that is.
 

HumblePie

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For every girl who pays for her own HALF of the bill, or maybe even the entire date, there is a much disparate ratio of guys paying a TON more all the freaking time.

I have yet to hear of a single girl EVER spending over $100 on a date, let alone over $600. Heck, guys I know with girlfriends that have payed for "half" or all of the date still tell me that it's not even a drop in the bucket since those dates tend to always be the "cheaper" dates when they go out. Typically the girls I know about tend to pay like $20-$40 one weekend and think she's "independant" for taking out her "man" and yet usually the guy spends way more every other time they go out. It's just wrong.
 

MrMaster

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I WAS interested in this one chick once until she told me that the man is suppose to be the bread maker of the family. Plus she got pissed when we went out to drink and I didn't offer to buy her a drink.

Now, don't get me wrong. I do offer to pay (i did on sunday) the whole thing but I have never dated someone where they didn't offer to cover their half or pick up the tab the next time.

Equal rights should mean equal in everything.
 

geecee

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Originally posted by: Judgement
Originally posted by: MrCodeDude
Originally posted by: Judgement
I find that a bit harsh when he never really made it clear to her what the situation was in the first place and it's not as if he has taken her out before and she abused the fact that he was paying.
The point is, this woman was going to leave him with a $300+ bill when he only drank $36 worth. Now, if she ordered the same as him, maybe a bit more (~$50), then I could see how that's an assholish move.

But this chick was clearly trying to abuse his wallet.

Yeah, but he went in with the intent of making her pay before she ordered that much, and even when she asked if she should order those drinks he encouraged her without ever explaining the situation. I find it hilarious and think women who assume men are going to cover the entire bill without even discussing it with them are asking for trouble, but it still doesn't sit well.
I'd have to agree that he never really made it clear to her that they had separate tabs. The story was still funny, but really an @sshole thing to do on his part, especially encouraging her the way he did. I guess his point was that she didn't have enough on her to cover the bill and shouldn't have been drinking out of her price range but the fact that she was asking him if it was OK meant that she was under the assumption that he was paying. At least she asked if it was OK. If she had just ordered the expensive stuff right off the bat, then I'd definitely agree that she deserved it.
 

DAGTA

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HumblePie... I agree with every post you've made!

In truth, I like being old-fashioned. I enjoy treating women for a night out and footing the bill, etc. However, I pay attention to who seems to appreciate it and who just takes advantage of it. Sadly, it's nearly all women in our generation that take advantage and fail to see the hypocrisy in their "i'm a feminist and believe in equal rights" speeches.
 

HumblePie

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: radioouman
$300 would put me in the hole. Glad that I don't take women out for drinks.

$300 will buy a hooker, a non-drunken one.



If it wasn't for the possible STDs and other problems I'd say that might be the way to go for the modern man looking to get laid today. It's cheaper and a sure bet, and you know exactly what you are going to get for your money.

You know what's wierd though? for the longest time, despite working at one, I thought strip clubs were for loser guys. I mean, who would want to pay X amount of cash to get a boner and copafeel for a few minutes with a chick that chances are you won't get to chance at all to screw later.

Then I started trying to seriously look for a cick to date and be with now that I'm done with school and got a great paying job. I started doing the math... hrmm spend hundreds a night every weekend night going out and so far been completely unlucky OR get some fleshed rubbed all over me for a HELL OF ALOT LESS and go home with enough images to finish off. No pretenses, no worries. Then again, I'm not really into that because I want more then just releiving a boner, but many friends and men I know don't. So, now I can somewhat sympathize and have no right to call guys who rather go to a strip club over trying unsuccessfully most of the time to pick up chicks elsewhere.

Oh... and never try finding chicks at a place that serves cheap drinks. It ain't happening.
 

J Heartless Slick

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"Boy, let me tell you - the girl i was with could really throw down the drinks. She was drinking scotch that was older than the hotel we were in. Of course I encouraged her the whole way. She was like, wow they have Johny Walker BLUE label! I was like, 'you ever try it?' She's like....'Nooooooo!!!' I'm like, 'go on....just get some'. She's like 'are you sure'. I'm like, 'look, if you want it, just get it!' "

LOL!
 

sygyzy

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The simple fact is I think most guys are gentlemen and chivalrous and WILL pay for the woman. What does the woman have to do? Just offer. That's it. Pull out your purse and insist, just for 30 seconds that you'll get the tab. (Carry a credit card just in case). Chances are the guy will not accept and you'll get a free meal. The guy will get peace of mind that he is not dating a golddigger.
 

amoeba

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Originally posted by: sygyzy
The simple fact is I think most guys are gentlemen and chivalrous and WILL pay for the woman. What does the woman have to do? Just offer. That's it. Pull out your purse and insist, just for 30 seconds that you'll get the tab. (Carry a credit card just in case). Chances are the guy will not accept and you'll get a free meal. The guy will get peace of mind that he is not dating a golddigger.


I agree.
 

dainthomas

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Originally posted by: radioouman
$300 would put me in the hole. Glad that I don't take women out for drinks.


Imagine the video card you could get for $300! (I guess I'm a geek for even thinking that)
 

PingSpike

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Originally posted by: MrMaster
I WAS interested in this one chick once until she told me that the man is suppose to be the bread maker of the family. Plus she got pissed when we went out to drink and I didn't offer to buy her a drink.

Now, don't get me wrong. I do offer to pay (i did on sunday) the whole thing but I have never dated someone where they didn't offer to cover their half or pick up the tab the next time.

Equal rights should mean equal in everything.

I had a similar experience. I went out with this chick once. She suggests we get some ice cream, I say sure. Then she says "You've got money, right?" I bought her ice cream and told her I'd call her.

A couple hours after I got home, I decided I wouldn't call her again. I was planning on paying anyway...but just the tone and phrasing...it was so assumed it was my job to buy her sh|t. Fvck that.
 

DAGTA

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I remember this woman I 'dated' back in 2003/2004. I met her through hotornot and we started talking online. Totally hit it off online. Similar interests and easy conversation. So, we decide to meet up on a Friday night in December at a local bar and watch some local bands play. Apparently, she had been a huge fan of some of these bands and had followed them for a while. She tells me that she doesn't have a car, she gets rides from people, and would it be a problem for me to take her home? No problem.

I meet her, she seems pleasant at first. We talk quite a bit but then can't say much once the bands start. I buy us some drinks. There is a free snack bar open and we eat off of that all night. The first five bands play a bunch of cover songs that I like and I'm really enjoying it. She looks bored to death and tells me she dislikes the music and can't wait for the 'real' bands to start. uh... ok.

Some friends of hers show up and join us. Fine with me, they're friendly enough. By the time the 'main' band starts, she's trashed. The play a good set and finish. She runs up and is hanging all over the band members. One of her friends gives me this, "sorry" look. I just laugh. The drummer brings her over to me and says, "You're giving her a ride home?" I say, "Yup". He says, "Thanks, I appreciate it." ha.

On the ride home, she's nearly passing out in my passenger seat and I'm trying to get directions out of her. Remember, this is her first time meeting me. I get her home and make sure she gets inside and then I just leave.

I relay the 'date' to my female friends. They agree it was bad but suggest I give her a second chance. I don't contact her, though. She writes me a few times online and I chat a bit without saying much. February comes around. She contacts me and says she's throwing an "anti-Valentine's Day" party at her place and would like to me attend. She also says that a she and a group are going to the Renaissance Festival that day and she would like me to go with her. She says she'll be in dress for the period and thinks I'll have a lot of fun since I like that kind of stuff. I say sure, I'll go.

I show up at her house in the morning. A guy walks out of her bedroom with her and she introduces him as her boyfriend. I just about left right there on the spot as it became obvious that I was nothing more than 'ride' for her and her friends. But then I figure I wanted to go to the Faire anyway so I'll just go and have a good time on my own. Her single mom with two kids friend shows up and decides to join us. I spent the day having the single mom follow me around while my 'date' and her boyfriend were off on their own. 'Mom' keeps trying to get me to buy her stuff. I just ignore her requests. Kids are bugging me for drinks from my water bottle all day. I hate drinking after people but I'm not going to turn down a four year-old when we're out in the desert and it's already 90F.

Near the end of the day, 'mom' asks me to buy her a $300 dress. I stop and give her the 'are you crazy?' look and then I just start laughing. She didn't talk to me the rest of the day. Just as we're about to leave, my 'date' comes running up to me and puts her arm around me and starts flirting with me... while her boyfriend is behind us. She's asking me if I had a good time, etc. I stay polite but terse.

I drive them back to her place and start to leave. She grabs my arm and says, "Hey, aren't you staying for the party?"

Me, "No, my head hurts and my back hurts. I'm going home."

Her, "Go take some pain killers and come back!"

Me, *tapping the bottle of vicodin and muscle relaxers I had in my pocket (I had severe back problems then)* "No, I have those with me. I'm going home. See ya."

She wrote me three more times online over the next few months asking me to come to other parties and trying to talk to me. I just ignored her.

Looking back, I think I was way too nice to her.