This is how a Police Officer in America acts when there are no consequences

[kage69]

On a serious note, the fathers profession is not really relevant.
Violent parents hold all sorts of jobs.

I'm not sure myself. While I tend to agree on the widespread nature of abuse, the fact this revolves around authority makes me worry here. It's not hard to imagine a situation arising with this officer if he has the gall and rage to deck his own teenage daughter in public. Clear abuse aside, what would he do to someone not related to him when he's all fired up?

Pretty tame compared to what happens when a bunch of cossacks roll in though, huh OP?

 

[pmv]

On a serious note, the fathers profession is not really relevant.
Violent parents hold all sorts of jobs.

Seems slightly relevant. This particular job bestows rather more power than most, and certainly involves a greater degree of trust. Hence it seems worse if they are law-breakers. I hope you aren't taking the old-school view that 'domestic violence' isn't a _real_ offence?

 

[FIVR]

I'm not sure myself. While I tend to agree on the widespread nature of abuse, the fact this revolves around authority makes me worry here. It's not hard to imagine a situation arising with this officer if he has the gall and rage to deck his own teenage daughter in public. Clear abuse aside, what would he do to someone not related to him when he's all fired up?

Pretty tame compared to what happens when a bunch of cossacks roll in though, huh OP?

*Complains about American Police*

*Says whattabout Russians*


Is the irony lost on you? That is exactly what a Russian authoritarian (most Russians) would say if you pointed out police brutality in Russia: "What about in America where they lynch negroes?"


You are literally the american version of a Russian propagandist, wandering around accusing posters of being Russian. lol

 

[ch33zw1z]

Wow, he punched her in the face in that video. Damn man.

 

[WHAMPOM]

FIVR I have to agree with you on this topic. I've seen enough from FL LEO's to know they act like Judge Dredd.

You must be thinking of some other Judge Dredd. The Dredd I remember would have taken this LEO's head off before throwing him in prison.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Here we go with the the bigot justifying his bigotry as self righteousness. Spend some time as a cop and see if you, with your weak sense of moral probity, don't wind up seeing people as scum. You have already managed to say that about the police with little but anecdotal evidence. I acknowledged there is a problem, but that you are unfit to to input anything rational to its solution. You are an hysteric and when told that fact try to turn me into a scum sucker and racist bigot.

My point is that as a nut case you only make the solution to police brutality one more nut case in the way of solving it. How do you expect to find out you're nuts if somebody doesn't tell you? I have all the same wild and insane reactions as you do to the problem but I don't take my wild insanity seriously. I am far far more aware that I am a kook than you are. Actually, you're kind of tame in comparison to me. I just realized long ago that once I'd killed everybody on earth there would still one human threat remaining, so I just skipped over the prelude and went for the finale. Why not just kill my belief in my own insanity. I still get to be insane and don't have to pay for it by acting it out. Now you can be as smart as me. But you should at least pay me 5 dollars. We never value what we don't pay for.

You ego masturbating again?

 

[Moonbeam]

You ego masturbating again?

I think your fear being challenged on what you say to such a degree that you managed to actually say nothing at all that contains any substance to be addressed. Such nebulous nitpicking leads only to fistulation of ones own caboose to the power of ten. Do you think it's as cold here as it is in the summer time?

 

[Jaskalas]

FIVR, you appear to carry enough outrage for the whole lot of us.

The guy was charged, and apparently with no serious injury to the teen. Yes, he is clearly a physically abusive and emotionally unstable individual who is employed in a position of authority over others, in a profession with a license to kill should he even think a suspect flinched a muscle. I get all that, but that sort of man is a danger that has existed all our lives. People who should not be officers happen to get employed. Your reaction to the news appears to be strong, as if something changed. What changed?

Americans don't have time for self reflection. Or to question the rules of engagement. Too busy generalizing and stereotyping against whole groups of other people. Too busy putting up the "good fight" (or serving Wall Street) to care for what really matters. Our inner peace, or lackthereof. I really do understand that the sort of violent and abusive guy caught on camera is not alone. Yet I also understand that there are good people out there too. Even if they are overwhelmed by a failing American system.

I do not think playing rage against the machine and pointing fingers and screaming for justice, loudly, is going to be the long term solution you may be looking for. I sense a desire for damage and retribution, rather than one of peace and healing. A look outward rather than a call for Americans to look inward. It is only from within that we may contest our inner demon. Our animal instinct. I am afraid the easy answer may be the wrong answer, and instead of signaling for war against corrupt police, we should try to find a way to heal their wounds, their battered egos, their sense of fear.

To calm the storm rather than jumping in and inciting it further. Though I do appreciate it can be exceedingly difficult to see the forest from the trees.

 

[Moonbeam]

Those people obviously didn't intervene because they were just taking moonbeam's advice and keeping in mind all the scum he had to deal with that day. Who wouldn't beat the first 14 year old girl they saw with a closed fist after having to deal with all that scum? They were understanding. That's how it's supposed to work: They beat us, then we make excuses for them.



These cans won't pick up themselves, citizens. Let's get to it!

Well look at that. I already told you it's the cops that see so much of the worst in people on a daily basis they begin to see everybody that way. You manage to do that without a similar exposure because your moral foundation is weak. And here you are with so little to defend yourself with you repeat an argument I've already shown you is a pile of shit. Please avoid being a weasel.

 

[pauldun170]

I hope you aren't taking the old-school view that 'domestic violence' isn't a _real_ offence?

Thought it was pretty obvious that I don't share those views

 

[pmv]

Thought it was pretty obvious that I don't share those views

I slightly thought you didn't (though I don't remember who most posters are so nothing would surprise me).

But the thing is then I don't really get why you think it isn't relevant. A cop committing a crime brings up additional issues compared to a random citizen doing so, especially if it's something one might reasonably suspect they've done before.

Are people's reactions to this affected by the OP's posting history? I don't really keep track of that stuff (though I gather there's a view that he's Russian?), but just on its merits this seems one small data point for the idea that the cops could, just maybe, do with being a little more selective in their recruitment and/or assesment of their workforce.

 

[Noah Abrams]

I think moonbeam has a valid point. Dealing with filth day in day out will corrode even gentle human beings, which most cops probably not are to begin with anyway. As usual what moonbeam says gets lost in the usual shouting and screaming

That said, it is hard to reconcile the liberal view of govt being potentially a source of good when in fact the police is another sad example of govt power. But then it’s futile to try to discern sense in such things

 

[ch33zw1z]

I think moonbeam has a valid point. Dealing with filth day in day out will corrode even gentle human beings, which most cops probably not are to begin with anyway. As usual what moonbeam says gets lost in the usual shouting and screaming

That said, it is hard to reconcile the liberal view of govt being potentially a source of good when in fact the police is another sad example of govt power. But then it’s futile to try to discern sense in such things

Which part of the liberal view of government, specifically, wants law enforcement to become degraded to the point of hitting family members while people watch?

 

[FIVR]

I should never have posted this thread. I usually avoid getting involved into these arguments about US police, but i though after seeing that video of a terrified little girl getting punched in the face and then her assaulter facing no consequences we could all agree that something needs to be done about this issue.

But I was wrong. It's clear that America is lost and that there will never be any consequences for these people. The extremists are on both sides, but the apologists in the middle lean one way are more numerous than those who want anything done about it.


So: Move along posters, nothing to see here. Just another American Hero getting some sass and dealing out a justly deserved blow to child impudence.

 

[Noah Abrams]

Which part of the liberal view of government, specifically, wants law enforcement to become degraded to the point of hitting family members while people watch?

The more power we give up to the govt, the more the govt will misuse that power.

 

[ch33zw1z]

The more power we give up to the govt, the more the govt will misuse that power.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...onservatives-disagree-police-column/97827888/

You seem to be confused, as in you think Conservatives dont want to have controlling power over citizens via militant law enforcement.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-military-gear-local-police-forces/606065001/

Not only is your assessment off base, and not specifically a liberal view of government, it's sows discourse wrt a topic that Americans should make more of an attempt to agree on.

When Democrats dare question police tactics, with Obama banning military gear deployment to local police after Ferguson, republicans made a big stink about, and Trump rolled that back, ironically with an executive order. The irony is he had this to say on the campaign trail

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...oves-executive-orders/?utm_term=.ed812c16560b

But I digress. You're full of baloney with your statement. Like republicans give a shit about police abuse of power, who do you think you're fooling

 

[pauldun170]

I slightly thought you didn't (though I don't remember who most posters are so nothing would surprise me).

But the thing is then I don't really get why you think it isn't relevant. A cop committing a crime brings up additional issues compared to a random citizen doing so, especially if it's something one might reasonably suspect they've done before.

Are people's reactions to this affected by the OP's posting history? I don't really keep track of that stuff (though I gather there's a view that he's Russian?), but just on its merits this seems one small data point for the idea that the cops could, just maybe, do with being a little more selective in their recruitment and/or assesment of their workforce.

I watched the video. i watched it having known violent people and how they act on school property
From cops to lawyers to accountants.
At no point did I see the guy do anything that would indicate he used his authority to prevent intervention.
Between seeing violent assholes from all walks of life over the years and not seeing the guy nor reading about the guy dropping the "I'm on the job" card I didn't see as an "American cop" problem.
Yes, the guy should be locked up and booted from the force with benefits taken away.


This bothered me more

The attack was caught on camera -- and shows school employees going about their business and doing nothing to stop him.

Those 2 women witnessed an assault on a minor on school property and did nothing.

 

[Noah Abrams]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...onservatives-disagree-police-column/97827888/

You seem to be confused, as in you think Conservatives dont want to have controlling power over citizens via militant law enforcement.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-military-gear-local-police-forces/606065001/

Not only is your assessment off base, and not specifically a liberal view of government, it's sows discourse wrt a topic that Americans should make more of an attempt to agree on.

When Democrats dare question police tactics, with Obama banning military gear deployment to local police after Ferguson, republicans made a big stink about, and Trump rolled that back, ironically with an executive order. The irony is he had this to say on the campaign trail

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...oves-executive-orders/?utm_term=.ed812c16560b

But I digress. You're full of baloney with your statement. Like republicans give a shit about police abuse of power, who do you think you're fooling

You could have saved all that time if you just had not assumed that I have sympathetic views towards the political conservatives. As they say, when you assume.... 🙂

 

[ch33zw1z]

You could have saved all that time if you just had not assumed that I have sympathetic views towards the political conservatives. As they say, when you assume.... 🙂

Please, your constant snide attacks on liberals here doesn't go unnoticed. 5 minutes of my time is not your concern, your concern should be the content within the post.

 

[Jaskalas]

I should never have posted this thread. I usually avoid getting involved into these arguments about US police, but i though after seeing that video of a terrified little girl getting punched in the face and then her assaulter facing no consequences we could all agree that something needs to be done about this issue.

But I was wrong. It's clear that America is lost and that there will never be any consequences for these people. The extremists are on both sides, but the apologists in the middle lean one way are more numerous than those who want anything done about it.


So: Move along posters, nothing to see here. Just another American Hero getting some sass and dealing out a justly deserved blow to child impudence.

The guy was charged with a crime. What do you expect beyond that, vigilante "justice"?

 

[FIVR]

The guy was charged with a crime. What do you expect beyond that, vigilante "justice"?

In what other job can you punch your own 14 year old daughter in the face while working and not be fired immediately? He should have been jailed until they could find a safe place for his family AT LEAST and fired also.


What kind of degenerate person are you to even ask such a question? Immediate consequences are not "vigilante justice". they are what every other person on earth besides cops face when they assault people unprovoked and on camera.

 

[Moonbeam]

I should never have posted this thread. I usually avoid getting involved into these arguments about US police, but i though after seeing that video of a terrified little girl getting punched in the face and then her assaulter facing no consequences we could all agree that something needs to be done about this issue.

But I was wrong. It's clear that America is lost and that there will never be any consequences for these people. The extremists are on both sides, but the apologists in the middle lean one way are more numerous than those who want anything done about it.


So: Move along posters, nothing to see here. Just another American Hero getting some sass and dealing out a justly deserved blow to child impudence.

Are you really sure you want to do this. I mean, really, you are the first person in history to note this problem with the police and if you cease your roof top raving we will quickly slide into a Nazi state. Just imagine all the social justice warriors you could inspire that could march in cities everywhere demanding change. Think of all the police commissions that will never be set up in besieged cities that won't now work for better police integration. Think of all the millions of people all over the country who will now never wrack their brains for ways to improve the situation. Think of all the police chiefs who will never be fired because they continue to allow this situation to fester. You will die with a whimper, the only person who ever cared. Why in probably just weeks every policeman in the country will be raping people in the streets. But then you are right, America is lost and that there will never be any consequences for these people. Give it up and go find another issue about which to be a drama queen. I gotta go fill our my application for the police academy.

 

[The Merg]

In what other job can you punch your own 14 year old daughter in the face while working and not be fired immediately? He should have been jailed until they could find a safe place for his family AT LEAST and fired also.


What kind of degenerate person are you to even ask such a question? Immediate consequences are not "vigilante justice". they are what every other person on earth besides cops face when they assault people unprovoked and on camera.

Why would you think he was actually working? He's not in uniform and even if he was, that wouldn't necessarily mean he was on-duty as he would have probably had to take leave to take care of the family matter.

That being said, I'm glad he was charged. While you can discipline your child and still use corporal punishment, that was over the top.

To answer the questions of him not being fired, in every other profession, if you are arrested for domestic violence, you would not be fired. Your personal business is seen as just that, your personal business. In this case, he was suspended, while the internal affairs investigation is performed and while the criminal charges play out. Part of that is that in most states, if you are charged with domestic violence, you are prohibited from possessing a firearm, which means it is hard to be a police officer.

As for this being a felony and being reduced to a misdemeanor, I'd have to see what he was specifically charged with, but domestic assault is generally a misdemeanor anyways. And in the cases that the offender is found guilty, there is generally never jail time associated with it (or at least active jail time) except for repeat offenders. Most times, they are told they need to just attend anger management and stay out of trouble to avoid having suspended jail time instituted.

- Merg

 

[frozentundra123456]

It's relevant because of how he is treated and how the media treats the beating of a child on video. If he was a black teacher he would be in jail and probably halfway to losing custody.

On a serious note, the fathers profession is not really relevant.
Violent parents hold all sorts of jobs.

This was an abusive incident, and I agree the police are often abusive and get away with it. In this case though, he was not acting as a police officer, but an out of control parent. And nobody knows yet whether he will "get away" with it.

 

[Noah Abrams]

Please, your constant snide attacks on liberals here doesn't go unnoticed. 5 minutes of my time is not your concern, your concern should be the content within the post.

Indeed. The simultaneous self righteousness and victim mentality of modern day liberalism in America (on display on this forum as well) does make you wonder what is going on? How can people be so oblivious to their own shortcomings or that of their pet constituencies? It does give you pause, leaves you scratching your head