Thi4f becomes plain old Thief, reboot coming in 2014

[mindcycle]

http://www.vg247.com/2013/03/05/thief-upgradable-equipment-focus-ability-and-more-detailed/

Yuck.

Anybody surprised?

Upgradable equipment? Lol. So I guess this is basically going to be Assassins Creed..

What would make this even better would be upgradeable equipment via microtransactions..

 

[thejunglegod]

The negative nancies in this thread is baffling. It's Thief, one of the most beautifully done stealth titles for its time and dare i say that it still holds well if not for its graphics. Please, just give it a chance you guys. Maybe this generation needs some games that are hard to play and unforgiving.

 

[mindcycle]

The negative nancies in this thread is baffling. It's Thief, one of the most beautifully done stealth titles for its time and dare i say that it still holds well if not for its graphics. Please, just give it a chance you guys. Maybe this generation needs some games that are hard to play and unforgiving.

I agree with your about that older Thief games and I hope all the negative nancies (myself included) are proven wrong. But.. have you read the articles posted in this thread yet? It's not looking good to say the least.

IMO, publishers should just leave these older titles alone and create new franchises loosely based upon the old games, since that's what they're doing anyway. A good majority of the reboots that have been pushed out in recent years are only somewhat similar as they share the same name, but that's about it.

 

[Childs]

http://www.vg247.com/2013/03/05/thief-upgradable-equipment-focus-ability-and-more-detailed/

Yuck.

Anybody surprised?

If its basically what they did with Deus Ex HR, then it wont be that bad. I'm playing it now, and its its pretty good.

And I'm looking forward to using that bow thats in the screenshot.

 

[KaOTiK]

I'm ok with it being more like AC as long as stealth is the main focus still and you can do everything stealthy.

 

[Geosurface]

IMO, publishers should just leave these older titles alone and create new franchises loosely based upon the old games, since that's what they're doing anyway. A good majority of the reboots that have been pushed out in recent years are only somewhat similar as they share the same name, but that's about it.

Well I disagree. It's not as though they're building a time machine to go back to 1998 and blow up Looking Glass Studios to prevent the original Thief from coming out, or buying up all remaining copies to put them in a landfill.

Nothing they can do can taint the beauty of the first games in this series, and if all they get right is Garrett's voice, and one cool mission, and they only manage to capture 1% of that genius.. to me it is still worth it being made.

Looking Glass was lightning in a bottle, destined only to last for so long. It was only possible because of the time and point in gaming's development it happened during. I mourn their loss but we must find what joy we can in what remains. Burglars can't be choosers.

 

[blackwhiskers]

I've only played Thief 3, but in my book it was an excellent game. Very atmospheric and slow. I crept around the corners for many hours, looking for ways to blackjack guards or get past them, and environment allowed this beautifully. Good memories.

Add the wonderful soundtrack, interesting setting and decent plot, and I don't understand how can it be called bad.

regarding the details of the new one - well, it could be cool. all the gimmick mechanics can be enjoyable with sufficient depth, and given that it's dx:hr devs developing this, I dare being optimistic about this.

 

[mindcycle]

Well I disagree. It's not as though they're building a time machine to go back to 1998 and blow up Looking Glass Studios to prevent the original Thief from coming out, or buying up all remaining copies to put them in a landfill.

Nothing they can do can taint the beauty of the first games in this series, and if all they get right is Garrett's voice, and one cool mission, and they only manage to capture 1% of that genius.. to me it is still worth it being made.

I can appreciate your enthusiasm, but IMO all these shitty remakes are doing is tainting the name and the people who created the original games. It's the same thing the movie industry is doing right now. "Let's take this once great franchise and take a dump on it. People will still buy it sight unseen because of the name.. Guaranteed money! Win!"

 

[ThinClient]

http://www.vg247.com/2013/03/05/thief-upgradable-equipment-focus-ability-and-more-detailed/

Yuck.

Anybody surprised?

I don't see much yuck. You aren't forced to use Focus. Sounds like we're going to have original gameplay as an option if you want to play it that way, which is great. Also sounds like there are a bunch of haters in this thread who are willing to judge a game before it's out -before there is even much information available about it.

Story wise, Eidos Montreal is toning down the supernatural side of things.

YES. YES YES YES YES YES.

I am very excited about the new game.

 

[ThinClient]

I can appreciate your enthusiasm, but IMO all these shitty remakes are doing is tainting the name and the people who created the original games. It's the same as it is in the movie industry right now. "Let's take this once great franchise and take a dump on it. People will still buy it sight unseen because of the name.. Guaranteed money, win!"

You know why it makes money? Because not everyone are grumpy elitists who are angry over every little petty thing. If you're not one of those who will enjoy the game, there are a billion other games out (and soon to be out) to play (or hate on, more likely).

Don't like it? Don't play it.

 

[mindcycle]

You know why it makes money? Because not everyone are grumpy elitists who are angry over every little petty thing. If you're not one of those who will enjoy the game, there are a billion other games out (and soon to be out) to play (or hate on, more likely).

Don't like it? Don't play it.

Well, I for one hope i'm proven wrong. I've just seen what's gone down in recent years with all the game series reboots and i'm worried about this one given the somewhat questionable details that have been revealed thus far. If that somehow makes me an elitist then so be it..

 

[ThinClient]

You have a right to worry. However, it is far too soon to draw any rational conclusion.

 

[Face2Face]

He's gotta bow!!

Sorry that was one of the lines that stuck out in my head when playing the original Thief. What an awesome game that was.

 

[Geosurface]

I still don't understand how anyone can act like this series hasn't already been completely defiled by Deadly Shadows. If Human Revolution is to Invisible War as Thi4f is to Deadly Shadows... then we have absolutely nothing to complain about.

 

[Sulaco]

You know why it makes money? Because not everyone are grumpy elitists who are angry over every little petty thing. If you're not one of those who will enjoy the game, there are a billion other games out (and soon to be out) to play (or hate on, more likely).

Don't like it? Don't play it.

Yeah, right...because there are so many other great atmospheric sneak games out there these days, right? Right?
Oh wait....

 

[TheSlamma]

Upgradable equipment? Lol. So I guess this is basically going to be Assassins Creed..

What makes it not an AC thankfully is a rehash of that craptastic Anvil engine, 3rd person perspective and also a big one.. Garrett can't take on multiple guards it says.. in AC all you have to do is counter and you can take on 20 guards in that joke of a game. Not saying this is going to be great yet, but I don't think it should be written off already.


Also if people want to make Thief 3 a better challenge given it was consolized make your own rule like I did.. you can go through that game with only sapping 1 person (the dude in the tutorial) make it the whole game without killing or sapping on expert difficulty and then you are a good thief, trust me that will give you a good challenge. There is also a good texture pack for T3

 

[ThinClient]

I agree with your about that older Thief games and I hope all the negative nancies (myself included) are proven wrong. But.. have you read the articles posted in this thread yet? It's not looking good to say the least.

In your elitist, irrational, jumping-to-conclusions opinion maybe.

IMO, publishers should just leave these older titles alone and create new franchises loosely based upon the old games, since that's what they're doing anyway. A good majority of the reboots that have been pushed out in recent years are only somewhat similar as they share the same name, but that's about it.

Yes, Far Cry 2 was a great successor to FarCry. lolol

 

[ThinClient]

Yeah, right...because there are so many other great atmospheric sneak games out there these days, right? Right?
Oh wait....

Irrelevant.

 

[motsm]

I don't see much yuck. You aren't forced to use Focus. Sounds like we're going to have original gameplay as an option if you want to play it that way, which is great. Also sounds like there are a bunch of haters in this thread who are willing to judge a game before it's out -before there is even much information available about it.

Yes, we can judge a game before it's released because we have all seen this countless times in recent years. I find it completely naive to think this one is going to be different when it's marketing campaign is playing out exactly like every other disappointing sequel I've played. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

I still don't understand how anyone can act like this series hasn't already been completely defiled by Deadly Shadows.

What does that change? Deadly Shadows had it's issues, and people complained about them. This obviously has it's issues as well, and people are complaining about them.

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

If the Tomb Raider reboot is anything to go by, this will be amazing

One interesting fact is, Thief is the only game Ive seen so far on metacritic with positive reviews only: http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/thief-the-dark-project

Not even mixed, just positive.... Goes to show how great of a game it is

 

[Sulaco]

Irrelevant.

Irrelevant because you have nothing to counter what I said?

No, it matters because you basically said "So what if you don't like the game! There are plenty others out there to play", which despite being an incredibly simplistic, vapid argument, is also factually untrue. There aren't many other games like Thief anymore. Therefore, it's understandable fans would care if they manage to screw it up somehow. There's not much else out there for fans of that style of game.

 

[Childs]

Yes, we can judge a game before it's released because we have all seen this countless times in recent years. I find it completely naive to think this one is going to be different when it's marketing campaign is playing out exactly like every other disappointing sequel I've played. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

This is the same group that did Deus EX: HR, so it has a good shot at being decent.

 

[motsm]

This is the same group that did Deus EX: HR, so it has a good shot at being decent.

I can't really give HR high marks with it's health regeneration, radar, constant forced third person view, silly mini games, etc. It's pretty decent for being a product of a mainstream publisher in today's environment, but that's not saying much.

Unfortunately, I expect even more of a watered down experience with Thief, as what makes the originals so great is even more foreign to the modern gaming climate than the original Deus Ex. This reboot is going to have to hack apart nearly everything that made them great to be at all marketable to the mainstream.

Hope they prove me completely wrong.

 

[Childs]

I can't really give HR high marks with it's health regeneration, radar, constant forced third person view, silly mini games, etc. It's pretty decent for being a product of a mainstream publisher in today's environment, but that's not saying much.

Unfortunately, I expect even more of a watered down experience with Thief, as what makes the originals so great is even more foreign to the modern gaming climate than the original Deus Ex. This reboot is going to have to hack apart nearly everything that made them great to be at all marketable to the mainstream.

Hope they prove me completely wrong.

You do realize you didnt have to use the cover system right? I dont use it much because in general I dont like sticky cover mechanics. I dont see a problem with the hacking, compared to using a multitool or lock pick. If anything it takes more thought. I dont really even use the radar or have any kill points in the stealth. You can play it the way you want, which can be pretty much like the original, minus the regen. The only thing thats out of place is the boss battles. And I'll admit I kinda wanted to break boxes with a crowbar.

If all you want it the original game, you most likely already have it. If they keep say 75% of what Thief was, and add 25% new stuff, I'd call that a success. Franchises should evolve. All they need to do is maintain the essence of what it was.

 

[Sulaco]

If all you want it the original game, you most likely already have it. If they keep say 75% of what Thief was, and add 25% new stuff, I'd call that a success. Franchises should evolve. All they need to do is maintain the essence of what it was.

I'd be happy with that too. I'm as big a Thief fan as anybody, and have no problem with the series evolving appropriately and within reason, while maintaining its core essence.

Human Revolution wasn't as good as the original Deus Ex. But it would be nearly impossible to make that happen. Instead, it took the essence of it and made a damn fine and worthy sequel (prequel, I guess).

That's about all I can hope for with the next Thief. Don't dumb it down to hand-holding, kiddie console level, Don't throw in QTE shit and over -the-top action, and Do keep the emphasis on stealth, sneaking, and remaining unseen.

And keep Stephen Russell!!