They messed up now.

[FIVR]

Wait, he's black? That changes everything.This officer will go prison as an example, and for the foreseeable future all officers who would like to criticize BLM will then point to his prosecution as proof of the "war against cops". "Because he was just doing his job".

 

[FIVR]

Cops are necessary for collecting fines and such. The neighbors would let their dogs go poop all over everything without the cops there to keep them in check. But they don't need guns IMO or at least, not working ones. We should give them broken guns and tell them they are real/working... might save some lives.

 

[UNCjigga]

That's where I disagree with #BLM. Police violence and brutality threatens all lives. It's not racial. They'd have so much more support.

It's not that they're wrong... but the issue is greater, more inclusive than it is portrayed as.

You do realize that BLM is there on the ground right now, at the vigil and organizing protests for this case too??
http://www.npr.org/2017/07/17/53767...police-officer-after-call-of-possible-assault

But at a gathering Saturday night, friends and neighbors said the victim taught yoga and meditation in the community.

At a healing circle in front of the crime scene, those neighbors and close friends, as well as Black Lives Matter activists and members of Womens March Minnesota, held hands, and talked about the deceased woman, naming her simply as "Justine."

"Peace flowed through her," said neighbor Melinda Barry. "She was a lovely, lovely person. And we want to remember Justine tonight, and call for answers, but we want just to remember and respect Justine, tonight, and her family, and share our love for her family, and how much we want to wrap our support around them."

 

[railer]

Yes, and my odds of dying in a car accident are zero if I never get in a car. So? Sometimes it's necessary to call the police. Not doing so because you're afraid of being shot, when the odds are probably a million to one, is stupid. The logic of avoiding a tiny risk only makes sense if there is never any utility in calling the police.

12 years ago my wife's nephew, who was 10 at the time, was visiting from out of state with his parents. While in our living room, he choked on a pretzel. We called 911, who dispatched a cop, who arrived in 2 minutes (we have very fast response times in our town). We were trying to Heimlich him but it wouldn't come up and he was turning blue. The cop took over and the boy immediately expelled the pretzel. It's possible it would have come up anyway without the cop, but it's also possible the cop saved his life.

Should we have not called the cops then because of a remote chance the cop might have shot us?

You for some reason are trying to have an adult conversation with a bunch of hysterical, illogical, and emotional forum dwellers.

The odds of a completely innocent person being shot by the police in the US for no reason is infinitesimally small. If you visit the US, and in the extremely unlikely event you happen to die, it's not going to be because you were shot by a random cop. But go ahead and change your vacation plans based on a headline.

In all likelihood this was an accidental discharge, and a terrible accident. Cop will be fired, and will likely face few consequences other than that. Rage on.

 

[AnonymouseUser]

This is quite the conundrum for ATP&N. On the one hand, it's a senseless death caused by a police officer and police officers can do nothing right. On the other hand, it's a Somalian ISlamISt and foreign minorities who are also ISlamISts can do no wrong. What do?

 

[brycejones]

This is quite the conundrum for ATP&N. On the one hand, it's a senseless death caused by a police officer and police officers can do nothing right. On the other hand, it's a Somalian ISlamISt and foreign minorities who are also ISlamISts can do no wrong. What do?

Learn some English before your next troll post? If you want to be a better earner you need to try harder. 1/10

Management will be speaking with you soon.

 

[brycejones]

You do realize that BLM is there on the ground right now, at the vigil and organizing protests for this case too??
http://www.npr.org/2017/07/17/53767...police-officer-after-call-of-possible-assault

Thanks for posting this. Hopefully a few will learn something.

 

[HomerJS]

All the BLM haters here will have their tongues tied in knots

At a healing circle in front of the crime scene, those neighbors and close friends, as well as Black Lives Matter activists and members of Womens March Minnesota, held hands, and talked about the deceased woman, naming her simply as "Justine."

Let the hand wringing begin. Meanwhile like in the other cases I've discussed let's get some facts.

 

[UNCjigga]

Wait, he's black? That changes everything.This officer will go prison as an example, and for the foreseeable future all officers who would like to criticize BLM will then point to his prosecution as proof of the "war against cops". "Because he was just doing his job".

White woman shot and killed a month before her wedding by a black cop named Mohammad [who immigrated to the US as a young boy.] He'll be made an example of for sure, or else he'll be eaten alive by wingnuts.

 

[Jaskalas]

You do realize that BLM is there on the ground right now, at the vigil and organizing protests for this case too??
http://www.npr.org/2017/07/17/53767...police-officer-after-call-of-possible-assault

Their name is racial.
Their two founding cases, Martin and Brown, have them supporting the perpetrators of violence.

If they are inclusive, that's news to me. I take it these folks at the vigil are not the same folks who cheered for the Dallas shooter, the facts above have always stained them. I applaud any effort they make towards E Pluribus Unum and Dr. King, but it's going to take a hell of a lot more than one headline to overcome the rioting for violence from whence they started. I appreciate that I am speaking of a nebulous collection of people from all over, anyone may tweet a hash tag, but that'd be my point too. For who truly knows which faction among them represents?

My stance has always been that police violence is the problem. Addressing that also addresses #BLM. That this simple logic has been resisted causes lingering doubts of motivation going back to Mr. Brown attempting to kill a cop. The entire lie behind "hands up don't shoot" soured everything.

I'd be happy to see more efforts made to reach out and solve the greater issue... but by god, what a deficit they start with.

 

[UNCjigga]

Their name is racial.
Their two founding cases, Martin and Brown, have them supporting the perpetrators of violence.

If they are inclusive, that's news to me. I take it these folks at the vigil are not the same folks who cheered for the Dallas shooter, the facts above have always stained them. I applaud any effort they make towards E Pluribus Unum and Dr. King, but it's going to take a hell of a lot more than one headline to overcome the rioting for violence from whence they started. I appreciate that I am speaking of a nebulous collection of people from all over, anyone may tweet a hash tag, but that'd be my point too. For who truly knows which faction among them represents?

My stance has always been that police violence is the problem. Addressing that also addresses #BLM. That this simple logic has been resisted causes lingering doubts of motivation going back to Mr. Brown attempting to kill a cop. The entire lie behind "hands up don't shoot" soured everything.

I'd be happy to see more efforts made to reach out and solve the greater issue... but by god, what a deficit they start with.

Well, it certainly doesn't help when your movement is loosely organized, with fractured leadership, conflicting spokespersons, and no clear sense of purpose, I'll give you that. But hey, they're still more inclusive than the NRA.

 

[NostaSeronx]

Damond, dressed in her pyjamas, reportedly approached the driver’s side window of the police car when it arrived in the alley and an officer shot across his partner at Damond more than once from the passenger seat.

According to police sources, Noor shot across his partner and out the window of the squad car, striking Damond. When Noor opened fire, his partner was "stunned," according to the source

There is actually no indication that Mohammed Noor was in fact a conservative-thinking muslim. So, that really only leaves mental instability from something: stress, fatigue, unknown source of pressure, etc.

Driver cop => Didn't see a threat.
Passenger cop => Somehow saw a threat.

This gives enough info that there was something clearly wrong with Noor at that time. Given that the conversation length between the cops and victim. So, definitely mental something, but is also definitely murder.

 

[HomerJS]

There is actually no indication that Mohammed Noor was in fact a conservative-thinking muslim. So, that really only leaves mental instability from something: stress, fatigue, unknown source of pressure, etc.

Driver cop => Didn't see a threat.
Passenger cop => Somehow saw a threat.

This gives enough info that there was something clearly wrong with Noor at that time. Given that the conversation length between the cops and victim. So, definitely mental something, but is also definitely murder.

Why is being Muslim an issue in this case? Was Christianity a factor in other unjustified shootings?

 

[Bitek]

never ever call the police. They are not your friend. They will kill you at the first sign of a slight risk to themselves.

Sadly, this is becoming the truth for everyone, not just the poor communities that decided this long ago.
Call the cops and roll the dice.

 

[HomerJS]

Their name is racial.
Their two founding cases, Martin and Brown, have them supporting the perpetrators of violence.

If they are inclusive, that's news to me. I take it these folks at the vigil are not the same folks who cheered for the Dallas shooter, the facts above have always stained them. I applaud any effort they make towards E Pluribus Unum and Dr. King, but it's going to take a hell of a lot more than one headline to overcome the rioting for violence from whence they started. I appreciate that I am speaking of a nebulous collection of people from all over, anyone may tweet a hash tag, but that'd be my point too. For who truly knows which faction among them represents?

My stance has always been that police violence is the problem. Addressing that also addresses #BLM. That this simple logic has been resisted causes lingering doubts of motivation going back to Mr. Brown attempting to kill a cop. The entire lie behind "hands up don't shoot" soured everything.

I'd be happy to see more efforts made to reach out and solve the greater issue... but by god, what a deficit they start with.

The fact a large segment of the US population has no idea black people are treated by the criminal justice system as if their lives are worth less made it racial.

 

[J.Wilkins]

This is quite the conundrum for ATP&N. On the one hand, it's a senseless death caused by a police officer and police officers can do nothing right. On the other hand, it's a Somalian ISlamISt and foreign minorities who are also ISlamISts can do no wrong. What do?

Ah, the simplistic world views of the idiots trying to apply their own stupidity on others as a deflection from the reality that they are truly idiots who hold these simplistic views.

 

[NostaSeronx]

Why is being Muslim an issue in this case?

Big conspiracy plot of Sharia law invading everything that is connected to muslim/islam. It is just one of the theories being flinged out there into the echo chamber.

So, basically under the above theory:
-> Woman in PJs
-> Middle of the night
-> Interacting with men.
-> This somehow offends Noor(who is a full on muslim in this theory) to the point of pulling out his gun.
-> He then points at the door and fires twice. Through his fellow officer(if he was standing it would be through him), through the door, into Justine.
-> It is okay, he was covered by Sharia law. Clearly the woman was an infidel.

Which is a completely stupid theory imho.

 

[J.Wilkins]

This is why I disagreed with the calls to arm all cops here (UK) after the Borough market attack.

It might save a few lives in the occasional (rare) terror attack, but there's another side to the equation. Not to mention that it's not just the deaths due directly to police shootings, there's what the whole situation does to the mentality of both the police and the policed.

(I guess people looking to go on holiday abroad now have to decide whether to risk being attacked by terrorists in Europe or shot by cops in the US. Best stay at home - flying is bad for the environment anyway)

Indeed, I was also making the same observations. Thing is that they had no case since the armed response time was 7 minutes and there was no indication that it could have been stopped sooner had the regular police been carrying firearms.

So far this year 0 people have been shot dead by police in the UK while 543 people have been shot and killed by police in the US.

 

[HomerJS]

Fox "News" may be setting up some fodder for their base. For the first time I heard them question the actions of the police up front. Their normal M.O. is to always side with law enforcement. What's different about this case?

Pretty white woman killed by evil black Moooslim. Someone has already brought up the Muslim thing in this thread even though it has nothing to do with this case.

Watch for it over the next few weeks All of a sudden police misconduct will become an issue for them.

 

[shortylickens]

Now the department is saying he was a diversity hire and had many complaints against him:

https://www.bing.com/news/search?q=Mohamed+Noor&FORM=HDRSC6

http://mobile.wnd.com/2017/07/killer-cop-mohamed-noor-a-diversity-hire/

http://people.com/crime/officer-shot-australian-yoga-instructor-past-complaints-lawsuit/

I find it interesting all the shit comes up after a shooting. I guess they made their choice: He's going under the bus.

 

[HomerJS]

Now the department is saying he was a diversity hire and had many complaints against him:

https://www.bing.com/news/search?q=Mohamed+Noor&FORM=HDRSC6

http://mobile.wnd.com/2017/07/killer-cop-mohamed-noor-a-diversity-hire/

http://people.com/crime/officer-shot-australian-yoga-instructor-past-complaints-lawsuit/

I find it interesting all the shit comes up after a shooting. I guess they made their choice: He's going under the bus.

So all those other cases were but now police misconduct is an issue because they have a black guy to sacrifice. This is going to be a Fox News wet dream even though him being a diversity hire is irrelevant.

 

[Orignal Earl]

This is quite the conundrum for ATP&N. On the one hand, it's a senseless death caused by a police officer and police officers can do nothing right. On the other hand, it's a Somalian ISlamISt and foreign minorities who are also ISlamISts can do no wrong. What do?

You do not know what an Islamist is, do you?
No wonder you are so confused about Muslims, you don't understand the words you read and use

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Wait, he's black? That changes everything.This officer will go prison as an example, and for the foreseeable future all officers who would like to criticize BLM will then point to his prosecution as proof of the "war against cops". "Because he was just doing his job".

Yup its going to be interresting to watch the typical sides flip on this

Mohamed Noor, the on-duty Minneapolis police officer who fatally shot an Australian-born woman on Saturday night, had been with the force for two years and was his precinct's first Somali-American officer.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/18/us/mohamed-noor-minneapolis-police/index.html

 

[pmv]

Yes, and my odds of dying in a car accident are zero if I never get in a car. So? Sometimes it's necessary to call the police. Not doing so because you're afraid of being shot, when the odds are probably a million to one, is stupid. The logic of avoiding a tiny risk only makes sense if there is never any utility in calling the police.

12 years ago my wife's nephew, who was 10 at the time, was visiting from out of state with his parents. While in our living room, he choked on a pretzel. We called 911, who dispatched a cop, who arrived in 2 minutes (we have very fast response times in our town). We were trying to Heimlich him but it wouldn't come up and he was turning blue. The cop took over and the boy immediately expelled the pretzel. It's possible it would have come up anyway without the cop, but it's also possible the cop saved his life.

Should we have not called the cops then because of a remote chance the cop might have shot us?

Surely the point is that the risk-benefit ratio depends entirely on who you are and what the situation is?

Saying 'never call the police' is obviously over-the-top hyperbole, but if I were in the US I would be concious of the danger in calling the cops for, say, dealing with a mentally-ill person acting up in the street, or dealing with someone acting 'suspiciously', especially if they happened to be black. The potential for disaster (for someone else) would be a factor in deciding whether to make that call or not. It would raise the bar for how sure I'd have to be that police intervention was needed.

US cops appear to have a tendency to shoot first and ask questions later (especially when dealing with mentally ill people)

 

[AnonymouseUser]

Fox "News" may be setting up some fodder for their base. For the first time I heard them question the actions of the police up front. Their normal M.O. is to always side with law enforcement. What's different about this case?

Pretty white woman killed by evil black Moooslim. Someone has already brought up the Muslim thing in this thread even though it has nothing to do with this case.

Watch for it over the next few weeks All of a sudden police misconduct will become an issue for them.

Like I said, big conundrum for ATP&N. His cultural/religious background may not have anything to do with the murder, but it makes all the difference to the cop haters. Just look at the squirming already.