They are taking away our careers!

[Moonbeam]

Lawyer and MBA you can forget, there won't be any business to support them. Dr. won't be any good either because the only one's you'll see are from Doctors Without Borders. Surgery will be by robotic. The doctor will live in an anclave of the Deli slumes.

And the expert machines are comming to do the really complicated stuff anyway. Get ready for the end of work.

 

[Moonbeam]

Anybody up for a deep tissue massage??
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Why did that make my sphincter contract?

 

[Metalloid]

Sorry I must have phrased it wrong, I am only interested in the computer field, and am just wondering whether programming or being a technician etc. will be better long term. As suggested, I will start a new thread.

 

[Miramonti]

Welcome to globalization. Companies have been increasingly sending their manufacturing processes overseas and importing them to sell here, which is why our trade deficit seems so absurdly high ($40 bill last month?), but is distorted because we are really importing our own products. That doesn't bother many people because corporations use this profit to pay our high salaries and record nice annual earnings.

Now they're buying more IT development etc. from overseas. Its a logical next step, since labor is so expensive here and its cheap abroad.

When our government fights for globalization its usually thought of here as being able to flood new markets with our products. However it goes both ways, and other countries have the right to flood our market with their products too, in this case labor. (thats my take on it.)

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Lawyer and MBA you can forget, there won't be any business to support them. Dr. won't be any good either because the only one's you'll see are from Doctors Without Borders. Surgery will be by robotic. The doctor will live in an anclave of the Deli slumes.

And the expert machines are comming to do the really complicated stuff anyway. Get ready for the end of work.

Blah (in a nice way)
Been watching to much terminator, I don't believe in AI and someone always is needed to make robots work. Computers can't gereralize nor can they reason. Big BLUE permutations with chess where insignificant compared to taking an order and filpping a burger.

Doctors with boarders LOL. It's that way already moonbeam.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Anybody up for a deep tissue massage??
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Why did that make my sphincter contract?

I get one eveyweek at the local CC my wife ajunts for.. Only $10 faculty =discount..

 

[Insomnium]

All can be fixed with some very naughty taxation by the US government on these companies that outsource. Then the incentive would be to hire domestically.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: jjsole
, which is why our trade deficit seems so absurdly high ($40 bill last month?), but is distorted because we are really importing our own products. That doesn't bother many people because corporations use this profit to pay our high salaries and record nice annual earnings.

Now they're buying more IT development etc. from overseas. Its a logical next step, since labor is so expensive here and its cheap abroad.

When our government fights for globalization its usually thought of here as being able to flood new markets with our products. However it goes both ways, and other countries have the right to flood our market with their products too, in this case labor. (thats my take on it.)

High saleries like our former auto workers and steel workers who made $30+ an hour and are now relegated to wal-mart greeters at ~$6.50 an hour. Without guys and gals like this no one is left to buy whatever it is you produce or offer as a service then guess what you or me might the next walmart employee.

 

[Moonbeam]

Take a look at Moore's law, Carbonyl.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Carbonyl

Originally posted by: jjsole
, which is why our trade deficit seems so absurdly high ($40 bill last month?), but is distorted because we are really importing our own products. That doesn't bother many people because corporations use this profit to pay our high salaries and record nice annual earnings.

Now they're buying more IT development etc. from overseas. Its a logical next step, since labor is so expensive here and its cheap abroad.

When our government fights for globalization its usually thought of here as being able to flood new markets with our products. However it goes both ways, and other countries have the right to flood our market with their products too, in this case labor. (thats my take on it.)

High saleries like our former auto workers and steel workers who made $30+ an hour and are now relegated to wal-mart greeters at ~$6.50 an hour. Without guys and gals like this no one is left to buy whatever it is you produce or offer as a service then guess what you or me might the next walmart employee.

Well, there will always be a demand for some type of skill. If you job goes away, time to learn a new skill or time to learn to do your skill better, faster or cheaper

 

[Zebo]

Atoms have a fixed thickness Moonbeam and moores law fails ~20-30 Ghz.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Atoms have a fixed thickness Moonbeam and moores law fails ~20-30 Ghz.

Excess speed and capacity is going to kill moores laws before physics does.

 

[Moonbeam]

I think you mean it fails on silicon. It was expected to fail long ago, no. It hasn't.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I think you mean it fails on silicon. It was expected to fail long ago, no. It hasn't.

What else? And 2017 is the number moore himself gave for physical limitations.

 

[KMurphy]

Originally posted by: Insomnium
All can be fixed with some very naughty taxation by the US government on these companies that outsource. Then the incentive would be to hire domestically.

Tariffs.

 

[Zebo]

Have you heard of Intels law? Semiconductor/ fab plants triple in price every 18 months😛

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: KMurphy

Originally posted by: Insomnium
All can be fixed with some very naughty taxation by the US government on these companies that outsource. Then the incentive would be to hire domestically.

Tariffs.

May be hard to tarriff intangable software products.

 

[Loggerman]

We brought this on ourselves.Always want the lowest prices no matter what.Big bucks for doing nothing.$100.+ for a pair of runners that were made for $5. bucks or less,cost more for the endorsment than to have them made.Everthing more or less falls under the same setup.Make it for cheap labour,then pay MILLIONS

for some superstar to tell "You gotta have it",get it on credit.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Loggerman
We brought this on ourselves.Always want the lowest prices no matter what.Big bucks for doing nothing.$100.+ for a pair of runners that were made for $5. bucks or less,cost more for the endorsment than to have them made.Everthing more or less falls under the same setup.Make it for cheap labour,then pay MILLIONS

for some superstar to tell "You gotta have it",get it on credit.

Yes, but how much would it cost if those shoes were made in the US? If our labor force is better trained, why should they be making shoes and textiles?

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: Insomnium
All can be fixed with some very naughty taxation by the US government on these companies that outsource. Then the incentive would be to hire domestically.

Nope. You do something like that or you add some sort of bizarre tariff then other countries will do the same, and we will stand more to lose that way. It will probably be challenged in international courts also as against trade agreements.

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Carbonyl

Originally posted by: jjsole , which is why our trade deficit seems so absurdly high ($40 bill last month?), but is distorted because we are really importing our own products. That doesn't bother many people because corporations use this profit to pay our high salaries and record nice annual earnings. Now they're buying more IT development etc. from overseas. Its a logical next step, since labor is so expensive here and its cheap abroad. When our government fights for globalization its usually thought of here as being able to flood new markets with our products. However it goes both ways, and other countries have the right to flood our market with their products too, in this case labor. (thats my take on it.)

High saleries like our former auto workers and steel workers who made $30+ an hour and are now relegated to wal-mart greeters at ~$6.50 an hour. Without guys and gals like this no one is left to buy whatever it is you produce or offer as a service then guess what you or me might the next walmart employee.

Well, there will always be a demand for some type of skill. If you job goes away, time to learn a new skill or time to learn to do your skill better, faster or cheaper

I agree.

And if you want competition and free trade/open markets but aren't willing to lose some of your market share in some areas, then you don't want competition and free trade. And the steel industry shot themselves in the foot by not modernizing earlier.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Loggerman
We brought this on ourselves.Always want the lowest prices no matter what.Big bucks for doing nothing.$100.+ for a pair of runners that were made for $5. bucks or less,cost more for the endorsment than to have them made.Everthing more or less falls under the same setup.Make it for cheap labour,then pay MILLIONS

for some superstar to tell "You gotta have it",get it on credit.

Yes, but how much would it cost if those shoes were made in the US? If our labor force is better trained, why should they be making shoes and textiles?

I only buy new balance tenny shoes and rockport or dexter loafers...About 25% more. But I think I'm keeping one of my nighbors employed who pays taxes here so I get paid.

Computer parts is rough tough.

 

[Moonbeam]

Here ya go!

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Carbonyl

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Loggerman
We brought this on ourselves.Always want the lowest prices no matter what.Big bucks for doing nothing.$100.+ for a pair of runners that were made for $5. bucks or less,cost more for the endorsment than to have them made.Everthing more or less falls under the same setup.Make it for cheap labour,then pay MILLIONS

for some superstar to tell "You gotta have it",get it on credit.

Yes, but how much would it cost if those shoes were made in the US? If our labor force is better trained, why should they be making shoes and textiles?

I only buy new balance tenny shoes and rockport or dexter loafers...About 25% more. But I think I'm keeping one of my nighbors employed who pays taxes here so I get paid.

Computer parts is rough tough.

I have not seen any new balance shoes that are made in the US.

 

[everman]

This kind of thing makes me wonder whether to pursue a career in IT or just go into Law instead 😕

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Carbonyl

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Loggerman
We brought this on ourselves.Always want the lowest prices no matter what.Big bucks for doing nothing.$100.+ for a pair of runners that were made for $5. bucks or less,cost more for the endorsment than to have them made.Everthing more or less falls under the same setup.Make it for cheap labour,then pay MILLIONS

for some superstar to tell "You gotta have it",get it on credit.

Yes, but how much would it cost if those shoes were made in the US? If our labor force is better trained, why should they be making shoes and textiles?

I only buy new balance tenny shoes and rockport or dexter loafers...About 25% more. But I think I'm keeping one of my nighbors employed who pays taxes here so I get paid.

Computer parts is rough tough.

I have not seen any new balance shoes that are made in the US.

I'm wearing some now New Balance model "all-terrain 605"

Says 13D made in USA