There's no responsible way to recreationally use Marijuana

[Jhhnn]

First of all, all of the research I've read indicates that THC can be stored in the cells for up to THREE months. For example:

http://www.gmu.edu/resources/facstaff/facultyfacts/1-2/grass.html



But the fact that there's THC in the cells doesn't mean that the associated SERUM levels of THC cause intoxication. In fact, almost all studies indicate that serum THC levels are very, very low within a few hours of taking the last puff, and become undetectable even in very heavy smokers within a day or two.

Sigh. Just because a doc has a .edu address doesn't mean it's accurate. THC rapidly degrades in the body to THC-COOH, which is not psychoactive. It accumulates in fat tissue & is only slowly released in urine. It's the basis of urine testing for cannabis. In no way does its presence indicate that the subject was intoxicated at the time of the test, despite widespread belief to the contrary.

Google THC-COOH for more than you wanted to know.

 

[Jhhnn]

I think Rubio is calling it the way he sees it rather than pandering to anybody in particular.

He's on the wrong side of the truth and the wrong side of public sentiment in general. He probably is about a lot of other issues, as well.

The conservative side of everybody fears change, particularly change to the unknown. OTOH, too much of the truth about marijuana is known & accepted by too many people for it to remain prohibited. Obviously, that varies a lot.

Whatever the honest truth about marijuana might be, it's been buried under an intense & highly inaccurate barrage of official propaganda & universal prohibition for 75 years.

Nobody really knows what truly legal marijuana looks like or what the ramifications are, but we're finding out here in Colorado. TBVH, I don't think it can possibly be worse than prohibition, so I'm all for it. America needs to make Peace with itself over marijuana, just like we made Peace over alcohol long ago.

 

[MasterOfUsers]

Kids shouldn't be smoking pot, it's for adults.
Edit: just like alcohol.

I agree with this but even more so than with alcohol, pot smokers that are under 25 are usually a lot more habitual in their smoking than people who use alcohol only at parties. Of course, this is a general rule and doesn't apply to everyone. It's also well known that people who smoke a lot during their youth pretty much remain children in their adult lives. It's like talking to a mental midget that got smashed in the head with a barn when he was 12.

 

[MrPickins]

I agree with this but even more so than with alcohol, pot smokers that are under 25 are usually a lot more habitual in their smoking than people who use alcohol only at parties. Of course, this is a general rule and doesn't apply to everyone. It's also well known that people who smoke a lot during their youth pretty much remain children in their adult lives. It's like talking to a mental midget that got smashed in the head with a barn when he was 12.

Both of these assertions differ from my personal observations/experience.

 

[BurnItDwn]

I agree that kids probably shouldn't be using recreational drugs. But what about adults?

And, what power does "should not use" have over "personal choice/responsibility" ?

 

[hal2kilo]

Both of these assertions differ from my personal observations/experience.

Ditto here. Must confusing potheads with people who use marijuana responsibly.

 

[MasterOfUsers]

Both of these assertions differ from my personal observations/experience.

Your personal observations differ from actual studied data and my personal experience: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...-marijuana-use-alters-teenage-brain-structure If you go to google and do a search for it, read the actual studies in the scientific articles section there are a lot of good articles on the subject. I know people who are like children, these are people who smoked during their teens, they smoked several times daily and they are pretty much exactly where they were when they started intellectually. Talking to them is like trying to have a discussion with Nehalem or Incorruptible, they think they are clever but that's only because they have the mind of a child.

 

[MasterOfUsers]

Ditto here. Must confusing potheads with people who use marijuana responsibly.

Which is why i wrote "habitual smokers" rather than people who smoke on the weekend but stay sober during the week. I do believe that any damage done can be restored (the brain is pretty amazing at fixing itself) if you don't overdo the harm and make NO mistake, MJ WILL damage your brain inevitably, that isn't even debatable. What is debatable is how much you need to do permanent damage and during your teens i don't think it's all that much.

 

[zinfamous]

Which is why i wrote "habitual smokers" rather than people who smoke on the weekend but stay sober during the week. I do believe that any damage done can be restored (the brain is pretty amazing at fixing itself) if you don't overdo the harm and make NO mistake, MJ WILL damage your brain inevitably, that isn't even debatable. What is debatable is how much you need to do permanent damage and during your teens i don't think it's all that much.

that's because those people had inferior minds then, as well. I know plenty of people from High School that were daily users in those days. Full-on hippy hair and perpetual glazed eyes, but one you talked with them, you saw something different. They also barely went to their AP calculus and stats classes because these bored them.

They also make absurd amounts of money as financial consultants or engineers or whatever, and they were never childlike in their conversation. The important thing, obviously, is that they were intelligent people then, as they are now.

The only dumb potheads that I have known as adults, were dumb potheads before. Actually, I don't know any of those now, just met a few here and there in passing.

 

[MrPickins]

Your personal observations differ from actual studied data and my personal experience: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...-marijuana-use-alters-teenage-brain-structure If you go to google and do a search for it, read the actual studies in the scientific articles section there are a lot of good articles on the subject. I know people who are like children, these are people who smoked during their teens, they smoked several times daily and they are pretty much exactly where they were when they started intellectually. Talking to them is like trying to have a discussion with Nehalem or Incorruptible, they think they are clever but that's only because they have the mind of a child.

The study you linked in no way backs up the bolded sections.

You act as though habitual use makes one into an imbecile. While there are log term effects, you're greatly exaggerating them.

 

[brycejones]

The study you linked in no way backs up the bolded sections.

You act as though habitual use makes one into an imbecile. While there are log term effects, you're greatly exaggerating them.

I think we can safely say that recreational use of of Marijuana is much less harmful than say constant exposure to infowars.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Your personal observations differ from actual studied data and my personal experience: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...-marijuana-use-alters-teenage-brain-structure If you go to google and do a search for it, read the actual studies in the scientific articles section there are a lot of good articles on the subject. I know people who are like children, these are people who smoked during their teens, they smoked several times daily and they are pretty much exactly where they were when they started intellectually. Talking to them is like trying to have a discussion with Nehalem or Incorruptible, they think they are clever but that's only because they have the mind of a child.

Your anecdotal evidence is wrong; my anecdotal evidence is correct!

 

[MasterOfUsers]

The data has been presented, I'm out of this discussion since it's like talking to a bunch of very defensive children on a subject they don't understand.

 

[MasterOfUsers]

I think we can safely say that recreational use of of Marijuana is much less harmful than say constant exposure to infowars.

I was thinking about that, these people who proclaim that the government is producing bad data and the scientists are in on it with their studies... It reminded me of CT'ers.

 

[MasterOfUsers]

Your anecdotal evidence is wrong; my anecdotal evidence is correct!

I'll go with the actual data on the subject even though people with somewhat paranoid delusions will think it's the government falsifying data.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

I'll go with the actual data on the subject even though people with somewhat paranoid delusions will think it's the government falsifying data.

I was more pointing out the hypocrisy of dismissing evidence you disagree with because it was just anecdotal evidence, followed immediately by you providing your own anecdotal evidence that confirms your position. It's delightfully ironic.

 

[MasterOfUsers]

I was more pointing out the hypocrisy of dismissing evidence you disagree with because it was just anecdotal evidence, followed immediately by you providing your own anecdotal evidence that confirms your position. It's delightfully ironic.

Actually, i started with the anecdotal evidence and received anecdotal evidence as a response so all i did was to present the data and reinforce my own anecdotal evidence. I never said that my anecdotal evidence was superior, i said that the data supports my anecdotal evidence (providing not only a link but a means to find more information on the subject). If I had only used my own anecdotal data as a response, I could understand why you would think it'd be ironic.

 

[smackababy]

Who is Marco Rubio? A doctor? An expert in any field relating to the effects of drugs or child development? Oh, a politician...

Who gives a shit what he thinks?

 

[BoberFett]

That's like 40% of what goes on here.

I think you underestimate.

 

[Jhhnn]

Which is why i wrote "habitual smokers" rather than people who smoke on the weekend but stay sober during the week. I do believe that any damage done can be restored (the brain is pretty amazing at fixing itself) if you don't overdo the harm and make NO mistake, MJ WILL damage your brain inevitably, that isn't even debatable. What is debatable is how much you need to do permanent damage and during your teens i don't think it's all that much.

Hogwash, at least in relative terms. How would the supposed harm from chronic marijuana use compare to alcohol? Is there a marijuana equivalent of this?

http://www.choosehelp.com/topics/al...13-alcoholism-and-wernicke-korsakoff-syndrome

How is the harm of it demonstrably greater than the harm of prohibition & incarceration in the face of widespread consumption?

 

[MasterOfUsers]

Hogwash, at least in relative terms. How would the supposed harm from chronic marijuana use compare to alcohol? Is there a marijuana equivalent of this?

http://www.choosehelp.com/topics/al...13-alcoholism-and-wernicke-korsakoff-syndrome

How is the harm of it demonstrably greater than the harm of prohibition & incarceration in the face of widespread consumption?

If you had read my previous response you would know that i don't consider chronic alcolism to be any better. There is a big difference though. Most people use alcohol at parties during their youth but stay sober otherwise, it's not the same with MJ which is completely harmless in every single way if you are to believe the habitual smokers and everyone else who won't admit that it is actually causing problems. It's healthy even, isn't it? This isn't about alcohol vs marijuana, this is about MJ vs not using MJ and if you can't come up with a argument on that subject we have nothing to discuss.

 

[MasterOfUsers]

Sigh. Just because a doc has a .edu address doesn't mean it's accurate. THC rapidly degrades in the body to THC-COOH, which is not psychoactive. It accumulates in fat tissue & is only slowly released in urine. It's the basis of urine testing for cannabis. In no way does its presence indicate that the subject was intoxicated at the time of the test, despite widespread belief to the contrary.

Google THC-COOH for more than you wanted to know.

How many studies would it take to convince you that THC is indeed stored in the fatty tissues of the brain for well over three months and that it does have effects on cognitive performance? How about three independent peer reviewed clinical studies? Would that be enough or are you the type where no amount will ever be enough?

 

[TechBoyJK]

The data has been presented, I'm out of this discussion since it's like talking to a bunch of very defensive children on a subject they don't understand.

So... you'll call a bunch of intelligent people who are displaying very realistic understandings of how cannabis works 'children' and 'back out of the discussion' because you're the only one who 'gets it.'

Gotcha.

What's funny is there's another threading going in P&N about how the FBI can't hire many smart hackers because they all smoke pot or have a history with it.

 

[TechBoyJK]

I'll go with the actual data on the subject even though people with somewhat paranoid delusions will think it's the government falsifying data.

Bottomline is only a very few amount of people who smoke pot have any major problems with it. Much less than alcohol or most prescription drugs. And even if it made me a little bit stupider, I'd still be a little dumb and not morbidly obese and missing teeth from all the soda I drank.

Oh wait, you'll say "drinking soda doesn't guarantee you'll be obese or loose your teeth". Exactly! Just like smoking pot doesn't guarantee you'll be dumb or lose IQ Points.

You're right. Cannabis is bad. It's almost as bad as Mountain Dew.

 

[werepossum]

Will this one do?

I'm pretty anti-drug myself...but do consider pot to be relatively safer than alcohol...but I agree that it's NOT for kids.

She'll do for me - especially as an alternative to weed.