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There's a special place in hell for cheating on your spouse while she has cancer.
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pure baseless speculation.
it's like saying that Obama married Michelle to increase his street cred as a black person.
it doesn't seem unreasonable to think that all the time they spent apart changed both John and his ex-wife. should he have stayed with her out of guilt even though neither were the person they married anymore?
this whole thing with Edwards seems stupid. I dislike the guy, but is it too much to ask for a private citizen to have a private life? this is really no one's business but his and his family's.
it's like saying that Obama married Michelle to increase his street cred as a black person.
it doesn't seem unreasonable to think that all the time they spent apart changed both John and his ex-wife. should he have stayed with her out of guilt even though neither were the person they married anymore?
this whole thing with Edwards seems stupid. I dislike the guy, but is it too much to ask for a private citizen to have a private life? this is really no one's business but his and his family's.
humans are human.
people have affairs, do stupid things with interns, have a wide stance in the bathroom stall, etc... I don't see how anything that goes on between the sheets amongst consenting adults makes one less qualified to hold office regardless of the finger wags the righteous morality police might give them.
we can never really know what's going through their minds, but I don't see why it should matter to anyone outside of the people immediately affected.
Alchemize, you compound your lies, and you're disgusting me by doing so.
However, you also brough new information to my attention with the link to the investigation of his history in the priesthood, and I thank you for that (not your comments).
Scanning the information, it's convincing that he very likely was guilty of sexual misconduct in his past.
It appears confirmed he has:
- engages in sexual chat
- sent pictures of child sex to his chat partner
It appears likely he has:
- fondled against their wishes one or more girls around the age of 16 as a young priest
That's what we know from the info I've seen. Allegations of sexual conduct with younger children, incest, molesting his children, I have not seen any evidence of.
One area I especially see even highly principled people behave badly in is sex. Whether right-wing or left-wing, a lot of people who are otherwise principled - and many who are not very principled as well - succumb to the sexual temptations of whatever sort they're oriented to. It might be adultery, using prostitutes (explain Hugh Grant), molestation, or many other acts. Sometimes the behaviors are more clearly harmful than others (the great Alan Turing was tragically convicted for homosexuality).
Ward appears to have long-term problems with his sexual desires and controlling them, and to have some history of predatory behavior.
As far as pedophilia - while I view it as a condition the person does not choose and see the pedophile as a victim too - it depends whether you use the legalistic definition of sex before the legal age (often 18), or the mental health view most common of sexual attraction to children before puberty. I don't know if Ward has the latter condition, if sending the photo was for some sort of 'shock value' or involved attraction by him. I don't know the age of consent for his earlier acts - if that is an *additional* charge.
The more important issue to me is his abusing his authority as a priest, his trust with the girl's family and the girl, to harm her emotionally for his own problems.
I stand by Ward for his long work that I think was wonderful. I do not stand by his sexual wrongdoing, his harming people. I support his being investigated and punished.
Or, "an adult who is sexually attracted to pre-pubescent children." Both are used.
Yes.
I'm not defending him from what he's known to have done wrong. I defend him from falsed/unsubstantiated allegations; I defend his good work, and condemn his wrongs.
You falsely imply that I'm defending *his wrongdoing*, a lie.
You lie again.
You are a liar, as I've said repeatedly. Where's your evidence? You will find, if you had looked before making up lies, that for example I was one who did not excessively attack Rush for his drug scandal, that I discussed it in terms of his having a sad medical problem, that I was against excessive attacks, while agreeing that those who threw his words back at him broadly condemning all drug abusers had a legitimate attack.
I might be less interested in putting effort into Rush because of his politics; more important is the fact that I've listened to Ward for many years and know a lot more about him.
My views of the facts are fair and not politically based. You are a liar, and you need to stop lying.
And now you post that? You're a scumbag, and I'm done posting to you. I ask you not to post to me. You get the last word, though. If you had any integrity, it'd be a big apology.
He looks like a scumbag type person to me. Now, with what I said...it is reported by the guard and reporters that he was there at the hotel at 2am. FoxNews is reporting what both the NE AND the security guard told him. The security guard was shown a picture of John Edwards. I'm not convicting Edwards here, merely stating that it definitely does not look good with 2 sources of witnesses and at this point I tend to think they are right.
If you want the actual quote, read the article. It's not too long, you should be able to get through it....maybe. Leftist scumbags tend to jump to conclusions about every Republican at any chance....and now all of a sudden they are on their...as you called it...'self righteous perch'.
Whoozyerdaddy
Lifer
Not that I'm a fan...
But when it comes to the BIG bombshells like this... they ones where they could be sued out of existance... the Enquirer is usually right.
And its not like they broke the story. These rumors have been out for a while now. They just came up with some new ammo on the issue.
But when it comes to the BIG bombshells like this... they ones where they could be sued out of existance... the Enquirer is usually right.
And its not like they broke the story. These rumors have been out for a while now. They just came up with some new ammo on the issue.
spittledip
Diamond Member
Hm, and I thought it was bad for him to run for pres when his wife had cancer. I guess this helps explain his mindset a bit more.
Not that I don't think he is an especial dog for cheating while his wife had cancer, but any one of us here could make the same bad decision.
Not that I don't think he is an especial dog for cheating while his wife had cancer, but any one of us here could make the same bad decision.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
It may be speculation but it certainly isn't baseless. There were previous reports of the relationship/child and now the late night meeting(which looks to be fact).
umbrella39
Lifer
Who would that be again? As you should know, it takes two to form a circle. I thought this was about Edwards being a philanderer anyhow. If it's true, does it make it worse when someone cheats on a sick spouse? (straight) Affairs aren't that big a deal anymore in the year 2008, even if it is a politician. Never had one myself nor do I feel obligated to cast stones at the millions of married people who have. Seems more mainstream today than being faithful used to be.
Lemon law
Lifer
Even if someone believes Edwards is having an affair, somewhat dubious given the evidence, lets put another idea on the table as a what if.
Some terminally ill spouses do encourage their partners to seek sexual solace with someone else because they know they can no longer provide that important role. And if this is the case with Edwards, it would not be a matter of cheating if his wife asked him to do it.
And to say again, I have no idea what the facts are here, but lets consider the entire universe of possibilities in this matter rather than buy into the OP's rather dubious contention that Edwards is cheating.
Some terminally ill spouses do encourage their partners to seek sexual solace with someone else because they know they can no longer provide that important role. And if this is the case with Edwards, it would not be a matter of cheating if his wife asked him to do it.
And to say again, I have no idea what the facts are here, but lets consider the entire universe of possibilities in this matter rather than buy into the OP's rather dubious contention that Edwards is cheating.
Fern
Elite Member
Yeah, I don't see them making any accusation. Just confirming that the guard says he saw Edwards at the hotel and the other reporters hassling him.
This story has been around for quite a while. Wouldn't surprise me a bit if it was true.
While I don't care for John Edwards, I can see where having a really sick spouse can be a very tough thing. I can't really hold it against a person if something like this happens. I expect it's a very tough situation and I can see the non-sick spouse needing some "support" too.
I think this story has always prevented Edwards from being a serious VP choice.
Fern
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