There's a lot of hate here...

[bgt]

I am always astonished about the strong/hard language people use here. But I am happy there is a lot of technical c.q interesting stuff here also. Maybe age has to do with it, I don't know. I only know that when you get older(me=64) most people get milder/softer.

 

[ViRGE]

lol, I love how Virge is handing out infractions in here like candy. It's like he thinks his honour has been impugned or something

No one in this thread has been infracted.

 

[jihe]

I'm not sure what happened. I don't remember it back in '99 when I came here.

Debate is one thing... what I read here more and more is not that.

I blame this on Obama. Am I doing this right?

 

[guskline]

If we disagree, we should strive to do it without becoming disagreeable!

 

[guskline]

I am always astonished about the strong/hard language people use here. But I am happy there is a lot of technical c.q interesting stuff here also. Maybe age has to do with it, I don't know. I only know that when you get older(me=64) most people get milder/softer.

Agree ( I'm 62)

 

[vampirr]

Since the beginning of man we waged wars, we argued, we fought for what we stood. Todays society is terrible and more terrible how some media like in USA are so biased and "democratic" and is there any mainstream media that is not biased in USA?

@Vic Vega http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Croatian_inventors

USA is far far larger than Croatia. Croatian inventions are torpedo and its launch bay(modern warfare), worlds first hydroeletric plants, one of the first airplanes attempts, etc...

 

[Idontcare]

lol, I love how Virge is handing out infractions in here like candy. It's like he thinks his honour has been impugned or something

ViRGE has been handing out sanctions, not infractions. There is a difference.

A moderator sanction entails any kind of moderator action, action which is intended to provide the necessary feedback (as determined by the mod) so as to alter future posting behavior of the offending posting.

It is not about retribution (benefiting the victim), it is about the offender and figuring out a way to rehabilitate them so they can integrate into the local society and be a positive contributor.

As such, sanctions are intended to be psychological as it is the psychology of the poster in question we are attempting to "assist".

Those sanctions may entail little more than a tiny bit of public embarrassment (a humiliating mod comment appended to their post), or warnings (official kind that goes in your permanent record), infractions (accrue too many and you get auto-banned by the system), and straight-up immediate "vacations" (our polite way of talking about people being banned).

Because everything is documented, just like a legal court system, the member's history of posting "issues" and "attitude" is taken into account when the attending moderator (arresting officer, judge, jury, and if needed the executioner) decides what level of sanction is needed at that point to provide the necessary feedback for the specific poster such that their future posting behavior is changed for the better.

Some people are repeat offenders, obviously not getting the hint, so we have little choice but to ratchet up the DefCon level and bring in heavier and heavier guns (longer and longer vacations). And even then some people still can't get the message, so its permaban time for them. But they've had plenty of chances by that point to get with the program. We don't permaban people lightly.

Pardon my ignorance, but how do you tell if/when you have an infraction?

If you go into your "User CP" (upper left corner of the web page) you will see a tab labeled "infractions" if you have received them in the past.

If you have never received an infraction or formal warning then you won't have that tab in your User CP.

 

[dma0991]

There's a lot of hate but not enough to be a dire situation like AMD Zone or any brand focused forums. Having some hate in a debate is inevitable but at the end of the day, you'll just have to learn that it is the internet and taking it seriously will cause more harm than good.

The mods are doing a good job keeping bad apples in check while still giving just the right amount of freedom that it doesn't feel like stepping in a minefield of infractions. I'm not considered old but old enough to know that arguing seriously on the internet isn't productive.

 

[red454]

I don't think people have changed so much. Social networking has exponentially sped things up. We have the same problems we have always had. Now everyone knows about it (and can comment on it) the moment it happens.

I remember not long ago seeing a newspaper article from 1974 talking about how Social Security was running out; in 20 years it would be empty. Or watch an old episode of All in the Family. Archie Bunker is alive and well today.

I think as you get older, you notice things that you didn't care about decades earlier. When you were 18 did you care about health insurance? Politics? The stock market?

In 1985 I was 18 and my priorities were a bit different; wax my 1969 Mach 1 - pick up girls. I had long hair and a hot car. I had to spray the sides down with Pam so the ladies would slide right off. Those were the days.

Now they are: read forums, grumble about stocks and health care, and plan my next visit to the buffet.

 

[Torn Mind]

Since the beginning of man we waged wars, we argued, we fought for what we stood. Todays society is terrible and more terrible how some media like in USA are so biased and "democratic" and is there any mainstream media that is not biased in USA?

@Vic Vega http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Croatian_inventors

USA is far far larger than Croatia. Croatian inventions are torpedo and its launch bay(modern warfare), worlds first hydroeletric plants, one of the first airplanes attempts, etc...

There is no media that is ever unbiased. None. Everyone wants their view of the world to be the one presented. Doesn't matter if it's in the U.S or some dictatorship. The media will favor a certain group.

Subscribing to a political ideology does little to affect intelligence or the ability to tap into that intelligence. Jews are the most intelligent group of people, on average, and that is despite many of them living in the supposed cesspool of the USA.

Besides, inventions are usually for measuring the intelligence of the particular person, not the populace at large.

 

[Idontcare]

...arguing seriously on the internet isn't productive.

LOL, that was funny

Besides, inventions are usually for measuring the intelligence of the particular person, not the populace at large.

Isn't that the truth! But try and tell a sports fan that just because he buys the jerseys/hats/shorts/gear and gets drunk while cheering on his favorite team that the team's win isn't the same as him winning...the fan of xyz cannot seperate themselves from that of the accomplishments of xyz.

America is awesome because motivated people can see their way to success, but that doesn't mean this country is full of motivated successful people :| We got a lot of whiners and freeloaders here, same as everywhere else.

 

[krumme]

America is awesome because motivated people can see their way to success

No denying the dream exist and the value of it. But the facts is, social mobility in todays america is less based on motivation and competence, than many third world countries. It is just a dream. What it means is, family status matters, going to elite univercities beeing in the right network. The reality is unfortunately opposite your dreams

The economic growth for the wealty in todays america is largely based on money from Asia, derived from $ beeing a world currency. It means USA can constantly print and use the money without inflation, because they are swalloved by a growing world economy.
You simply dont produce what you are consuming and havnt been the last few decades.
It works until now, you didnt fall of the financial cliff this time

(edit sources: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/howard-steven-friedman/class-mobility_b_1676931.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/05/u...ise-from-lower-rungs.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
I think they explain it quite gently, because the factual numbers for social mobility is comparable to less developed contries today - it wasnt always like that. Make no mistake i think USA is a great country in many ways)

 

[crashtech]

Sometimes the line between passion and "hate" is a blurry one, I for one enjoy a little passion in discussion, keeps things lively. A forum without passion is a dead forum...

 

[SlowSpyder]

IDC has given me two infractions. I felt his searing hatred both times. :twisted:

 

[Torn Mind]

No denying the dream exist and the value of it. But the facts is, social mobility in todays america is less based on motivation and competence, than many third world countries. It is just a dream. What it means is, family status matters, going to elite univercities beeing in the right network. The reality is unfortunately opposite your dreams

The economic growth for the wealty in todays america is largely based on money from Asia, derived from $ beeing a world currency. It means USA can constantly print and use the money without inflation, because they are swalloved by a growing world economy.
You simply dont produce what you are consuming and havnt been the last few decades.
It works until now, you didnt fall of the financial cliff this time

That's not how inflation works. Foreign currencies have no effect on inflation; indexes such as the CPI do not even look at foreign currencies.

Inflation is tied closely to the growth rate of the money supply. The usual way the money supply is increased is through open market operations, in which the Federal Reserve buys government securities. The reason we haven't experienced inflation is because the banks are scared of lending out their excess reserves.

Production doesn't stay "in-house" because it's more expensive in the U.S.

Motivation and competence remain critical and probably is more important now since the "competition" is fiercer due to less space to occupy; companies are more tight about getting the "best" now than in less troubling times. The loafers and slackers who aren't willing to sacrifice their happy time now so they avoid financial trouble later are going to be the ones who will be crying out because they won't change their own habits.

 

[Torn Mind]

Sometimes the line between passion and "hate" is a blurry one, I for one enjoy a little passion in discussion, keeps things lively. A forum without passion is a dead forum...

So-called hatred is sometimes just perception by the "victim" because someone disagrees with him and his most precious beliefs(aka his "sacred cows"). Other times, it's very real. To tell the difference, you have to analyze the actual discourse between the parties.

 

[Idontcare]

IDC has given me two infractions. I felt his searing hatred both times. :twisted:

c'mon now, admit it, you totally enjoyed it I saw how your face lit up like a child on Christmas morn when I brought out the gag-ball and whip

 

[Eureka]

Over in VC&G, the same kind of arguing is going on. IIRC, there was a link saying how people will associate attacks on a brand as a personal attack... people get way too involved in brand naming.

It's kind of dumb, because at the end of the day, it's a piece of silicon designed by engineers and made by a company who, in all respects, doesn't even know you exist beyond another line item in their quarterly report. Sure if you're popular enough they might send you some free samples but otherwise there's no reward in getting so worked up.

There's a lot of people on these boards who need to get out and enjoy life. It's just a piece of machinery, get out and do something productive.

 

[SlowSpyder]

c'mon now, admit it, you totally enjoyed it I saw how your face lit up like a child on Christmas morn when I brought out the gag-ball and whip

:biggrin: :thumbsup:

Yea, you know I love it when you and Dr. Pizza get a little rough and tag team me with infractions..! :awe: :sneaky:

 

[Revolution 11]

Some people are repeat offenders, obviously not getting the hint, so we have little choice but to ratchet up the DefCon level and bring in heavier and heavier guns (longer and longer vacations). And even then some people still can't get the message, so its permaban time for them. But they've had plenty of chances by that point to get with the program. We don't permaban people lightly.

Indeed, I can say as a regular forum member of TV Tropes that the Anandtech forums have a very loose and liberal moderation policy. If some of the ill behavior was done at TV Tropes, I can assure you that for every sanction here, you would have received 20 at the other site (never mind that you would have a permaban after 5 or 7 such events). It's almost like the difference between the Soviet Union and America.

The forums here could certainly have a far stricter moderation but I appreciate the freedom to say what you want within a reasonable range of behavior.

 

[Ketchup]

c'mon now, admit it, you totally enjoyed it I saw how your face lit up like a child on Christmas morn when I brought out the gag-ball and whip

IDC was kind enough to give me my only infraction, and I loved every second of it!

 

[Sable]

Is hate some kind of new CPU? Coz if it's not why are we talking about it in the CPU forum?

 

[crashtech]

Is hate some kind of new CPU? Coz if it's not why are we talking about it in the CPU forum?

Speaking for myself, I never visit non-hardware parts of this forum, so an occasional thread like this is welcome here, if only to cause all participants, self included, to reflect upon their conduct here.

 

[amenx]

Never noticed any hate here. But have noticed some disappointment, grief even, when some discover their favorite CPU brand is behind in benchmarks. And when the point is demonstrated by charts or whatever, a tiny minority may get upset and view it as a 'hateful' action.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Over in VC&G, the same kind of arguing is going on. IIRC, there was a link saying how people will associate attacks on a brand as a personal attack... people get way too involved in brand naming.

It's kind of dumb, because at the end of the day, it's a piece of silicon designed by engineers and made by a company who, in all respects, doesn't even know you exist beyond another line item in their quarterly report. Sure if you're popular enough they might send you some free samples but otherwise there's no reward in getting so worked up.

There's a lot of people on these boards who need to get out and enjoy life. It's just a piece of machinery, get out and do something productive.

I agree. The problem is that certain posters take it personally when one refutes data that they have presented because the one who replies feels that the data is biased or does not present all sides of the situation. When the two sides continue to disagree, it seems to come down to "you hate me" or "you hate my favorite brand", when it is really just disagreement with the conclusions that are being presented. It also doesnt help when namecalling and personal attacks are introduced. Ironically, it is usually the ones who initiated the personal attacks who accuse the forums of being biased or of being full of "hate" for a particular brand.

Edit: OP, I am not directing this personally toward you or this thread, but in a general sense, because the "hate" card is seemingly being played a lot recently in these forums.

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