"There is no moral equivalence between Israel and Hamas"

[Nebor]

Excuse me, are you referring the violent, genocidal, and terrorism advocating little 'Hitlers' that this forum evidently has within its community?

It seems to be rather disparagingly one-sided, though. Thankfully, I fail to see zero members clamouring for the killing of any of my fellow Jewish brethren. Rather, we have concisely generalised and open calls to massacre and exterminate Palestinians.

Where may the problem lie?

Your English has improved substantially over the years. Your arguments are still just as transparently pro-Islam as ever though.

 

[Abwx]

27 israhelli soldiers killed so far with two collateral damage, Hamas are indeed the most moral resistance movement in the world, the Zionists nazis on the other hand did what they do the best, that is, targeting and killing the most defensless civilians, just today they started by killing 6 palestinians, among wich were one 4 years girls and three women , one being pregnant.

No doubt that the zionist nazis are exceding in horrors their germans predecessors, the israhelli would be ridiculous to claim being human beings, they are actualy a bunch of sadistic and perverse criminals beasts as proved daily by their despicables actions.

 

[fskimospy]

they were accorded non-Member Observer State not a full fledged statehood

Link

So does being a non-member Observer status state be the same as a full Member State?

If so; then why the distinction?

They were changed from "observer entity" to "non-member observer state". Clearly the change is that they are now considered a state by the UN. So with that in mind, any change?

 

[Borealis7]

Hamas are indeed the most moral resistance movement in the world

you realize that when you write it like that, it sounds cynical, right? glad you agree with the rest of the world.

targeting and killing the most defensless civilians, just today they started by killing 6 palestinians, among wich were one 4 years girls and three women , one being pregnant.

a shameful crime indeed, but not the kind you think of. Hamas has full responsibility for every death in Gaza. they brought it on the civilians by taking the war zone into their homes.

do kindly watch this short clip of an islamic researcher from egypt putting the blame exactly where it belongs:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10202492755496967

No doubt that the zionist nazis are exceding in horrors their germans predecessors, the israhelli would be ridiculous to claim being human beings, they are actualy a bunch of sadistic and perverse criminals beasts as proved daily by their despicables actions.

oh yes, quite right. the israelies have built a hospital to treat wounded Gazans but in reality they are performing experiments on them - a-la Joseph Mengele.
http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Prot...rder-crossing-for-injured-Palestinians-363541

you excel at being a walking joke.

 

[Ventanni]

Excuse me, are you referring the violent, genocidal, and terrorism advocating little 'Hitlers' that this forum evidently has within its community?

It seems to be rather disparagingly one-sided, though. Thankfully, I fail to see any members clamouring for the killing of any of my fellow Jewish brethren. Rather, we have concisely generalised and open calls to massacre and exterminate Palestinians.

Where may the problem lie?

When you target civilian population centers of a neighboring nation whose military strength far exceeds your own, decline a cease fire that would have prevented the hostilities altogether, then you bury your munitions right under civilian houses, you're going to bury your own grave. I hate war, I think I make my stance pretty clear on that; I would much prefer us be arguing about Obama at this dinner table. But I will not coddle the people of Gaza City here. They elected a government that's openly hostile to the Israelis, and now they're paying the price for it.

Hey, you own a dog, right? What happens when you pester the tar out of a dog? It bites you! Israel has some opportunities here too, so don't think I think they're saints, but the whole region needs to start acting like adults here.

 

[Whiskey16]

I see Ventanni, you are defending and justifying the regular presentations and culture by some regulars here to incite hatred and extermination of an entire people.

Well done on taking a criminal and immoral stance.

 

[cabri]

They were changed from "observer entity" to "non-member observer state". Clearly the change is that they are now considered a state by the UN. So with that in mind, any change?

Why the classification as NON_MEMBER.
Is Israel, Jordan, or any other state defined out of the Ottoman empire classified as NON-MEMBER?

 

[cabri]

I see Ventanni, you are defending and justifying the regular presentations and culture by some regulars here to incite hatred and extermination of an entire people.

Well done on taking a criminal and immoral stance.

Are you defending the statements about Hamas actions

When you target civilian population centers of a neighboring nation whose military strength far exceeds your own, decline a cease fire that would have prevented the hostilities altogether, then you bury your munitions right under civilian houses,

that Ventanni pointed out.

The Hamas/Palestinian supports condemn Israel for targeting civilians in the attacks; yet where are the rockets that Hamas fires from aimed?
the Egyptian cease fire imposed no conditions on Hamas or Israel. Just stop the shooting. Who stopped and who kept on shooting?
Even the UN has found munitions buried under their facilities. tunnels are being found with entrances under houses. Why is Hamas hiding munitions areas that are where civilians live/operate.

 

[fskimospy]

Why the classification as NON_MEMBER.
Is Israel, Jordan, or any other state defined out of the Ottoman empire classified as NON-MEMBER?

Because they aren't a member of the UN.

Are you seriously arguing when the UN changed their description of Palestine from "entity" to "state" that they weren't saying that they consider Palestine to be a state? Seriously?

 

[Whiskey16]

To misinform and derail this discussion, keep upon lying, cabri:

Are you defending the statements about Hamas actions

No, in fact, I have already entered into this discussion:

Do such high crimes warrant crimes of humanity attacks upon Israeli civilians, as per more personal terrorism and indiscriminate rocket attacks? No.

Critiquing Israel does not equate to any defence of Hamas.

cabri, after been corrected and informed, you have an option to recant your ill-formed charges against me.

 

[Harabec]

If you indeed condemn the actions of Hamas as well, what would you suggest that we do about rockets, mortar fire and tunnels?
Nothing?
Reminder - Hamas does not want peace (even if the palestinian population under its rule may want it), once again, what do we do?

 

[fskimospy]

If you indeed condemn the actions of Hamas as well, what would you suggest that we do about rockets, mortar fire and tunnels?
Nothing?
Reminder - Hamas does not want peace (even if the palestinian population under its rule may want it), once again, what do we do?

Gaza has a lot of people in it. Some of them will never want peace. Quite a lot of them would probably love peace.

Maybe they would be more inclined to pursue it if they were able to look over at the people in the West Bank who aren't firing rockets, etc, at Israel and see that there was meaningful progress made for them there. What do they see instead?

 

[Harabec]

They see their dear leaders telling them to die for the resistance, they see their leaders giving them no hope of a normal life.

Again I'll say - all they have to do is to stop wanting to kill us all the damn time. When that happens, we will be willing to go a long way towards helping them build a new state.

 

[Borealis7]

Because they aren't a member of the UN.

Are you seriously arguing when the UN changed their description of Palestine from "entity" to "state" that they weren't saying that they consider Palestine to be a state? Seriously?

in the General Assembly, who gets to sit on the PA's seat? is it A Fatah representative, or a Hamas representative? you know, there are actually 2 "Palestinian states" today, and they are even slightly at war with each other. flashback to 2006, basically a civil war in Gaza between Hamas and Fatah as the ruling Fatah party is driven out and its activists executed on the streets.

that is also the reason there cannot be a peace agreement with Israel at this time. Israel will not negotiate with 2 separate Palestinian entities.

in any case, the PA in the west bank is not really a state yet, but they are trying. declaring statehood unilaterally will be a bad move since they strive to set the borders on the '67 lines and for that they need Israel to withdraw.

it would be interesting though, what would happen if the 2 state solution does come to fruition, and there is a unified palestinian leadership ruling over the west bank and gaza, and one day a bunch of rockets are fired onto israel?

 

[Abwx]

They see their dear leaders telling them to die for the resistance, they see their leaders giving them no hope of a normal life.

Again I'll say - all they have to do is to stop wanting to kill us all the damn time. When that happens, we will be willing to go a long way towards helping them build a new state.

Keep on spreading your fairy tales as a cover of israhell real nazi policy...

Use ggle translate, it s in a french mainstream paper, interview of a former israeli officer, the purpose of the israeli nazi army is to stage terrorism against the palestinians, to his own words "any palestinian is a legitimate target"...

Hamas are truly freedom fighters battling a nazi army and ideology that use all possible propaganda to diabolize its victims.

http://www.lemonde.fr/idees/article...-but-etait-de-semer-la-peur_4460857_3232.html

Some "elite" zionists nazi soldiers in full cowardise :

 

[emperus]

The Hamas/Palestinian supports condemn Israel for targeting civilians in the attacks; yet where are the rockets that Hamas fires from aimed?
the Egyptian cease fire imposed no conditions on Hamas or Israel. Just stop the shooting. Who stopped and who kept on shooting?
Even the UN has found munitions buried under their facilities. tunnels are being found with entrances under houses. Why is Hamas hiding munitions areas that are where civilians live/operate.

I have to honestly say, the more I read about this new incident the more I distrust Israeli leadership.

They want to make it seem as it started with rockets being fired because Israel was trying to rescue 3 dead boys.

But what you don't hear about is the fact that Israel knew Hamas wasn't responsible and Israel most likely knew the Boys were dead the night of the incident.

But still:

According to Israel figures, state detentions number 381, of whom 282 are affiliated to Hamas. The number of locations searched rose to 1,955, including 64 Hamas institutions.[28] Palestinian figures state that 566 were detained, 6 were shot dead, and over 120 wounded; 2 elderly people died of heart attacks during Israeli operations, and over 1,200 homes were searched

All this was done because of 3 boys that the Israeli government may have known were already dead. On the other hand what was the response to the Israeli who killed and burned the Palestinian youth or the one who beat up his cousin? Did they destroy his family home?

I really don't know any people that would tolerate that.

 

[Borealis7]

But what you don't hear about is the fact that Israel knew Hamas wasn't responsible and Israel most likely knew the Boys were dead the night of the incident.

that is incorrect, 2 hamas activists in the west bank are still on the loose and wanted for the murder of the 3 teens.

the Israeli government may have known were already dead.

speculation...

On the other hand what was the response to the Israeli who killed and burned the Palestinian youth or the one who beat up his cousin? Did they destroy his family home?

the murderer was arrested and is awaiting trial. some reports say he is mentally deranged. that's far more than the PA is doing to investigate 3 murders committed on their turf.

re: Abwx's photo: what i see there is 2 soldiers taking the boy from harm's way. they actually saved him.
404 bloodthirsty nazis not found. except on the Hamas side...

 

[fskimospy]

the murderer was arrested and is awaiting trial. some reports say he is mentally deranged. that's far more than the PA is doing to investigate 3 murders committed on their turf.

When will his house be destroyed, in line with Israeli law?

 

[emperus]

that is incorrect, 2 hamas activists in the west bank are still on the loose and wanted for the murder of the 3 teens.

Hamas claims they were not responsible and Israel knows they were individuals who were known to not follow Hamas's commands. But yes, as we know most terrorists don't like to take credit for their terrorism.

But even so you are telling me they search about 2000 locations, detained 381(probably for months) wounded 120 and killed 3 and that is justified because 3 children were abducted and killed.

speculation...

From the articles I read, Israel has a recording of them being shot and found blood in the car that the children were shot in. Israel has a very good intelligence agency. You are telling me they couldn't put that together? When the children were found, it was evident they were killed immediately.

the murderer was arrested and is awaiting trial. some reports say he is mentally deranged. that's far more than the PA is doing to investigate 3 murders committed on their turf.

Yes, so tell me when they demolish his home and that of his families as well.

I'm just amazed that you can't see the inequality in this situation.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I'm just amazed that you can't see the inequality in this situation.

This has never been about equality.

 

[Borealis7]

Yes, so tell me when they demolish his home and that of his families as well. I'm just amazed that you can't see the inequality in this situation.

I was searching the press releases so i could answer your question.
i did not find an article saying that the kidnappers' home will be demolished, but rather that a warrant was issued and the matter will be discussed in court.

i did, however, find a court order to demolish the house of a gunman that killed an israeli officer in April, and that the court ordered the demolition because there was evidence that his wife and son were accomplices in the act. this could indicate that in the end the kidnappers' home might not be demolished if the court uses the same logic in this case.

you see, there is a judicial system in israel which is in place to make sure justice can be carried out.
for instance, several times the court has ordered israeli settlements in the west bank to be disbanded, and in other cases the court ordered demolition of homes in east jerusalem because they were built illegally. in this case, demolition is the sanction imposed by the israeli court for crimes committed against it's people.
had the PA been policing their territory and keeping the peace on their end, this wouldn't have been necessary.

 

[emperus]

I was searching the press releases so i could answer your question.
i did not find an article saying that the kidnappers' home will be demolished, but rather that a warrant was issued and the matter will be discussed in court.

i did, however, find a court order to demolish the house of a gunman that killed an israeli officer in April, and that the court ordered the demolition because there was evidence that his wife and son were accomplices in the act. this could indicate that in the end the kidnappers' home might not be demolished if the court uses the same logic in this case.

you see, there is a judicial system in israel which is in place to make sure justice can be carried out.
for instance, several times the court has ordered israeli settlements in the west bank to be disbanded, and in other cases the court ordered demolition of homes in east jerusalem because they were built illegally. in this case, demolition is the sanction imposed by the israeli court for crimes committed against it's people.
had the PA been policing their territory and keeping the peace on their end, this wouldn't have been necessary.

Yes, thank You. It is unbelievable but you have clearly missed my point and made it again for me.

 

[Abwx]

They do not miss the point, they deflect it because they know that they are dishonnest and that lies are their common behaviours to cover their never ending war crimes perpetrations, thay are genuine terrorists by the fact that they are die hard supremacists, a "nation" of land stealers and primitives of the worst kind, first sentences they learn at schools are lies and zionist supremacism as the permanent course, so just imagine when "adults".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ66iHMCQls&bpctr=1406045492

 

[Zaap]

*more vomiting the term Zionist since Berlin 1933...*

Irony.

You vs.Harabec is pretty much a perfect illustration of how the two sides of this conflict aren't morally equivalent.

Anyone who thinks a side represented by irrational morons like you could be equally reasoned with as the other side, is themselves an irrational moron that would be a rotten neighbor to have, good for not much else but violence and conflict.

 

[Abwx]

Irony.

You vs.Harabec is pretty much a perfect illustration of how the two sides of this conflict aren't morally equivalent.

Anyone who thinks a side represented by irrational morons like you could be equally reasoned with as the other side, is themselves an irrational moron that would be a rotten neighbor to have, good for not much else but violence and conflict.

You realize that you created a false quote out of thin air.?.

Seems like a straw wasnt enough, but from your tone i sense a big troll who started with a forgery, perhaps he wave one of those nazi zionists paid shill, or worse, an untermenshen willing to do it for free, who knows, looks like the video i posted need some trolling because it render nervous some peop..er, some untermenschen..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ66iHMCQls&bpctr=1406045492