lucidguy, I agree with you about the need for GNU GPL. I am not a Linux junkie but I agree linux need to have this as a wall to protect itself from Microsoft. Microsoft will cheat and steal to get what they want.
Regarding the activation of XP:
What's the difference between Win95 and WinXP?
After MS drops support for it, you can still install and use Win95, while in order to keep using XP you'll have to reformat your HD every 30 days or you can never change the hardware configuration.
600Mhz???
What? WinXP was perfectly Smooth on my 550, and I know people that have it run it on much less.
RAM, 128MB is fine if you aren't gaming. 256MB+ is better for games...but that's true in win98 as well.
WinXP's system requirements are no steeper than Win2k's.
That's what MS says. A P200, 64 MB RAM should be sufficient to run it. Of course, Win98 runs perfectly on a 486 too, although a bit slow
Some friends of mine who run WinXP Betas told me that 128 MB RAM isn't nearly sufficient. 256 seems to be the minimum if you want to do more than browsing (IE 6.0) and listening to mp3's/wma's (WMP 8.0). XP's hunger for RAM is even bigger than that of Win2k, especially when using bloated programs like WMP, IE and a huge (in MB) skin for the GUI of Windows.
What's the difference between Win95 and WinXP?
After MS drops support for it, you can still install and use Win95, while in order to keep using XP you'll have to reformat your HD every 30 days or you can never change the hardware configuration.
600Mhz???
What? WinXP was perfectly Smooth on my 550, and I know people that have it run it on much less.
RAM, 128MB is fine if you aren't gaming. 256MB+ is better for games...but that's true in win98 as well.
WinXP's system requirements are no steeper than Win2k's.
That's what MS says. A P200, 64 MB RAM should be sufficient to run it. Of course, Win98 runs perfectly on a 486 too, although a bit slow
Some friends of mine who run WinXP Betas told me that 128 MB RAM isn't nearly sufficient. 256 seems to be the minimum if you want to do more than browsing (IE 6.0) and listening to mp3's/wma's (WMP 8.0). XP's hunger for RAM is even bigger than that of Win2k, especially when using bloated programs like WMP, IE and a huge (in MB) skin for the GUI of Windows.
<< lucidguy, I agree with you about the need for GNU GPL. I am not a Linux junkie but I agree linux need to have this as a wall to protect itself from Microsoft. Microsoft will cheat and steal to get what they want. >>
But the BSD's (in general) have been around since before linux... The GPL was never there to protect them. What did they do wrong?
I knew lucid was going to ruin this thread, but man, this has gotten out of control.
First, I'm going to say this one more time: GO AWAY LUCID.
Second, there's nothing wrong with GPL or BSD. They're both open source and that's good enough.
Third, there's no way that MS, even with their million-dollar lawyers, will ever make open source illegal. It's protected in the US constitution and no European country would even think about it.
End this flame war NOW!
First, I'm going to say this one more time: GO AWAY LUCID.
Second, there's nothing wrong with GPL or BSD. They're both open source and that's good enough.
Third, there's no way that MS, even with their million-dollar lawyers, will ever make open source illegal. It's protected in the US constitution and no European country would even think about it.
End this flame war NOW!
<Konichiwa>I'm just baffled that all of you seem to be perfectly content with the fact that Microsoft FORCES you to register a product that you have bought and own a license to! F*ck that!</Konichiwa>
Let's take a little liberty with this statement for a sec.
I'm just baffled that all of you seem to be perfectly content with the fact that the government FORCES you to register your car that you have bought and own a license to! F*ck that!
Damn them for tracking their product like that!!! Damn them all to hell!!!
You've given up a lot more of your privacy to everything else in your life than you are with your next OS purchase, trust me.
Let's take a little liberty with this statement for a sec.
I'm just baffled that all of you seem to be perfectly content with the fact that the government FORCES you to register your car that you have bought and own a license to! F*ck that!
Damn them for tracking their product like that!!! Damn them all to hell!!!
You've given up a lot more of your privacy to everything else in your life than you are with your next OS purchase, trust me.
<< You've given up a lot more of your privacy to everything else in your life than you are with your next OS purchase, trust me. >>
Believe me, I know, but that doesn't mean I should just roll over and take it in the ass from ol' Bill and Steve.
I would like to know why everyone in this thread is telling lucidguy to leave -- sure, he may be spouting a little too much rhetoric, but maybe if you actually read what he has to say you'll realize he's partially right.
Believe me, I know, but that doesn't mean I should just roll over and take it in the ass from ol' Bill and Steve.
I would like to know why everyone in this thread is telling lucidguy to leave -- sure, he may be spouting a little too much rhetoric, but maybe if you actually read what he has to say you'll realize he's partially right.
i guess no ones touched "raw sockets" yet. in case u dont know what raw sockets are (on any OS), this 'featre' provides full and direct "packet level" Internet access to any Unix sockets programmer.(grc.com) as opposed to win9x which lacked the ability to send raw packets, this open a whole new door to DoS from compromised windows boxes. once a windows 9x box was compromised, they are used to do massive ping floods or other benign packets (since the hacker didnt have raw access) with. although ping floods are largely inneficient they can be used en-masse to create a competent DDoS. with raw sockets, these DoS packets could be anything the hacker wants to send, creating a very powerful platform for DDoS.
now to stop the threat of raw sockets, microsoft would have to implement perfect security in WinXP home edition. as anyone who has seen a scan for open file shares, the home users are morons. they will break the security of the system, especially if microsoft follows its past levels of security. so with raw sockets feature, every compromised windows xp will serve as a brutally effective DDoS platform. in a corporate setting, where win2k was targeted, raw sockets are rather harmless since most companies have minimally competent IT staff. but if XP is targeted and shipped to home users, they will not know how to secure their box. so now we have significantly more powerful boxes falling into the hands of malicious hackers.
before i get flamed, remember im not criticizing win2k/xp's level of security if its properly implemented (my win2k box is safe). im saying that a large number of home users allow their systems to be compromised since they lack understanding of how to protect themselves. raw sockets also exist in *nix machines, but more people who use *nix know how to protect themselves than the AVERAGE windows users.
hopefully, if they do ship with raw sockets (which they will), i hope the first big attack will be against microsoft.com. it would be fitting.
now to stop the threat of raw sockets, microsoft would have to implement perfect security in WinXP home edition. as anyone who has seen a scan for open file shares, the home users are morons. they will break the security of the system, especially if microsoft follows its past levels of security. so with raw sockets feature, every compromised windows xp will serve as a brutally effective DDoS platform. in a corporate setting, where win2k was targeted, raw sockets are rather harmless since most companies have minimally competent IT staff. but if XP is targeted and shipped to home users, they will not know how to secure their box. so now we have significantly more powerful boxes falling into the hands of malicious hackers.
before i get flamed, remember im not criticizing win2k/xp's level of security if its properly implemented (my win2k box is safe). im saying that a large number of home users allow their systems to be compromised since they lack understanding of how to protect themselves. raw sockets also exist in *nix machines, but more people who use *nix know how to protect themselves than the AVERAGE windows users.
hopefully, if they do ship with raw sockets (which they will), i hope the first big attack will be against microsoft.com. it would be fitting.
Someone just equated Windows registration with the registration of your car.
Do you realize that, by doing this, you are equating Microsoft with the government?
Do you afford Microsoft the same respect that you have for the government?
Are you happy paying the Microsoft tax?
Are you content with taxation without representation?
Is it alright if Bill Gates runs your life for you?
When did you trade in your honor, your integrity, and your spine for a complimentary copy of Windows 2000 and a copy of Visual Studio?
Do you realize that, by doing this, you are equating Microsoft with the government?
Do you afford Microsoft the same respect that you have for the government?
Are you happy paying the Microsoft tax?
Are you content with taxation without representation?
Is it alright if Bill Gates runs your life for you?
When did you trade in your honor, your integrity, and your spine for a complimentary copy of Windows 2000 and a copy of Visual Studio?
<< When did you trade in your honor, your integrity, and your spine for a complimentary copy of Windows 2000 and a copy of Visual Studio? >>
Hell yes!
But seriously folks, I think it is ridiculous that people are telling Lucidguy to 'leave', because:
1)He obviously won't 'leave'
2)He has as much a right to participate in these discussions as everyone else.
3)He brings up some good points
And now some unsolicited advice to Lucidguy- Your message would be accepted much more readily if you did not exaggerate your claims and simply stated the facts that back up your case.
Good day
Hi Y'all
I'm the one who pointed out the huge amount of power Microsoft has right now. Automobiles and guns are the only other consumer good you are REQUIRED to register now. Registering guns and cars is required to protetect the general populous from crimes that could be committed with the product. Where is the danger in the XP OS? I just thought it was an interesting FACT as well. Fivepeeps, thanks for the description of Open Sockets. I'm glad someone else recognizes that we may have to protect the laymen out there.
As Always,
D
I'm the one who pointed out the huge amount of power Microsoft has right now. Automobiles and guns are the only other consumer good you are REQUIRED to register now. Registering guns and cars is required to protetect the general populous from crimes that could be committed with the product. Where is the danger in the XP OS? I just thought it was an interesting FACT as well. Fivepeeps, thanks for the description of Open Sockets. I'm glad someone else recognizes that we may have to protect the laymen out there.
As Always,
D
<< Hell yes!
But seriously folks, I think it is ridiculous that people are telling Lucidguy to 'leave', because:
1)He obviously won't 'leave'
2)He has as much a right to participate in these discussions as everyone else.
3)He brings up some good points >>
He has been told to leave by the creator of the thread. If you created a thread and did not want someone posting to it, would you want that enforced? Also, he is not really bringing up good points. He's argued these same points a thousand times, and each time it is wrong - and we have evidence to back that up.
<< I'm the one who pointed out the huge amount of power Microsoft has right now. Automobiles and guns are the only other consumer good you are REQUIRED to register now. Registering guns and cars is required to protetect the general populous from crimes that could be committed with the product. Where is the danger in the XP OS? I just thought it was an interesting FACT as well. Fivepeeps, thanks for the description of Open Sockets. I'm glad someone else recognizes that we may have to protect the laymen out there. >>
But you AREN'T registering. You need to understand that when you send in your Product Activation code, they don't even know your name. Registration is still 100% optional.
<< He has been told to leave by the creator of the thread. If you created a thread and did not want someone posting to it, would you want that enforced? >>
Oh please, what bullsh*t. It's a public forum -- the creator of the thread is not GOD in his thread -- just because he wants someone to leave doesn't mean they have to. Take your "unwritten forum courtesy" rules and shove it.
Oh please, what bullsh*t. It's a public forum -- the creator of the thread is not GOD in his thread -- just because he wants someone to leave doesn't mean they have to. Take your "unwritten forum courtesy" rules and shove it.
<< But you AREN'T registering. You need to understand that when you send in your Product Activation code, they don't even know your name. Registration is still 100% optional. >>
I think you'll just have to take it as a given that the great unwashed masses do not understand, nor care, about the minute technical differences between activation and registration, and that they simply conflate the two.
If they were technically competent enough to understand the differences between activation and registration, it would be irrelevant to them anyway, because they would already be using Linux.
If you get right down to it, having a record of your IP address, your Windows serial number, and a unique hardware identification string, on Microsoft's own computers is more than enough data for either Microsoft, or its advertising partners, or law enforcement agencies, to directly home in on your PC to do God knows what. This is illegal search and seizure, as I pointed out before.
<<
If they were technically competent enough to understand the differences between activation and registration, it would be irrelevant to them anyway, because they would already be using Linux.
>>
Congrats, Lucid, You basically just insulted every Anandtech User who uses Windows. I, and I'd say at HALF of the forums' 61000 people are "technically competent enough to understand the differences between activation and registration" and use Windows.
Please go away....
Cigar
<< I, and I'd say at HALF of the forums' 61000 people are "technically competent enough to understand the differences between activation and registration" and use Windows. >>
Do not take this as an insult but as a challenge. If you understand the difference between activation and registration, chances are that you are probably competent enough to use Linux. Why not give it a try? Double boot if you have to.
You have nothing to lose and quite possibly something to gain.
I really have nothing against Linux, but rather that the main reason that I don't use it is that there is no for me to use Linux. Win 2k pro does eveything I want it to, other than my older games, in which case Linux will not work for me either. I am not into the codeing and Computer Science stuff, but am merely a hardware enthusiest who has a very good grasp of Computer related material.
So yes, other than a bunch of 'wasted' time installing Linux, I would have nothing to lose. But what is more important to me is that I have nothing to gain.
Thank you for a rational responce.
Cigar
So yes, other than a bunch of 'wasted' time installing Linux, I would have nothing to lose. But what is more important to me is that I have nothing to gain.
Thank you for a rational responce.
Cigar
And as an aside, Lucid, if everything you say to be true is true, then let me tell you I will never ever install Windows XP. But the fact remains that it has not yet been released as a final version (microsoft's version of final anyways), and we just don't know yet. However, I have an EXTREMELY hard time believeing that Microsoft is as evil as Fox Mulder thinks the Government is.
Cigar
), and we just don't know yet. However, I have an EXTREMELY hard time believeing that Microsoft is as evil as Fox Mulder thinks the Government is.Cigar
<< If you get right down to it, having a record of your IP address, your Windows serial number, and a unique hardware identification string, on Microsoft's own computers is more than enough data for either Microsoft, or its advertising partners, or law enforcement agencies, to directly home in on your PC to do God knows what. This is illegal search and seizure, as I pointed out before. >>
Microsoft won't have your serial # - just the activation code, which tells them NOTHING about your computer. If you don't want to give them your IP address (what do you think they're going to do with it??) then call them up or send them a piece of snail-mail. As for your illegal search+siezure, it just won't happen, sorry to screw with your paranoia.
<< if they were technically competent enough to understand the differences between activation and registration, it would be irrelevant to them anyway, because they would already be using Linux >>
Well I was the one that explained the difference, and I don't use Linux. Nor do most people. Windows does what I need it to go, so what do I have to "gain" exactly?
<< You have nothing to lose and quite possibly something to gain. >>
Please, tell me what I have to gain and why it would be worth my time....
Cigar - But according to Lucid, Microsoft is WORSE than the Government is to Mulder. Even Mulder know when to back off! Come on. Lucid is just a troll.
Also, yes Lucid shoudl leave, but this IS a public forum. We can all tell him to leave, but we all know that he will not. Please, as I know this is a reuqest that is hard to do, just leave him alone. But wait. Then the pig won't fry!! Right Psyco?!?
Also, yes Lucid shoudl leave, but this IS a public forum. We can all tell him to leave, but we all know that he will not. Please, as I know this is a reuqest that is hard to do, just leave him alone. But wait. Then the pig won't fry!! Right Psyco?!?
Mmmmm..... I smell bacon. Elvis is in the kitchen!!
Come on Lucid, tell me how it would be worth my time..... I'm giddy with anticipation!!!
Come on Lucid, tell me how it would be worth my time..... I'm giddy with anticipation!!!
<<
<< lucidguy, I agree with you about the need for GNU GPL. I am not a Linux junkie but I agree linux need to have this as a wall to protect itself from Microsoft. Microsoft will cheat and steal to get what they want. >>
But the BSD's (in general) have been around since before linux... The GPL was never there to protect them. What did they do wrong? >>
The GPL will stop the pirating of public software by corporations in ways BSD can't. The license basically says that if you use GPL software in your product you MUST share the source code to that product. Corporations like Microsoft can't freeload off of it like with BSD. Microsoft wants to freeload but they don't want to share their source code.
<< << You have nothing to lose and quite possibly something to gain. >>
Please, tell me what I have to gain and why it would be worth my time.... >>
Perhaps a deeper understanding of your computer, networking, whatever you may delve into!
<< Corporations like Microsoft can't freeload off of it like with BSD. >>
How does Microsoft freeload with a product they have created??? If they price themselves out of the market that is their fault. However it's their creation, and they can do with it as the wish. If you developed a software package and sold it to the public, would you be freeloading???
<< Perhaps a deeper understanding of your computer, networking, whatever you may delve into! >>
...or perhaps wasted time, money and incompatibilty with other busineeses.
I was wrong about one thing, I don't think it was bacon I was smelling....but rather escarcot.
I'd just like to chime in and say - I am an open minded person and it is fun to have Lucid's comments in this public thread. I think its a shame some people would just have him leave, hard to have an argument when you just want to kick out the opposing side, eh?
I would have to agree that Lucid is speculating and exagerating... but arn't both sides? I am seeing A LOT of speculation. Fact is, no one knows where this could end up and thats what scares people. I think what some people are worried about is, they are asking for an activation today... but what happens down the road? They already have you activating and they will probably want to phase out everything up to win2k pretty fast
I have 1 Win2k CD that I share between 5 computers(all at my house) but in reality it is more like 10 computers due to hardware changes (since each activation is based on hardware). I think MS would give me hell for this, hell I don't want to waste my time on when trying to get a freaking computer working.
Bottom line is that WinXP looks like a 300 dollar gui update (from the win2k standpoint).
I would have to agree that Lucid is speculating and exagerating... but arn't both sides? I am seeing A LOT of speculation. Fact is, no one knows where this could end up and thats what scares people. I think what some people are worried about is, they are asking for an activation today... but what happens down the road? They already have you activating and they will probably want to phase out everything up to win2k pretty fast
I have 1 Win2k CD that I share between 5 computers(all at my house) but in reality it is more like 10 computers due to hardware changes (since each activation is based on hardware). I think MS would give me hell for this, hell I don't want to waste my time on when trying to get a freaking computer working.
Bottom line is that WinXP looks like a 300 dollar gui update (from the win2k standpoint).
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