The War On EV's

[hal2kilo]

It's not just damage though. SUVs take up more foot print and are slower to move through intersections and interchanges requiring more infrastructure for the same capacity. Do agree weight shouldn't be a linear multiplier, but not sure it should be to the fourth either.

There are more than just truck based SUVs out there these days. Some are actually based on compacts.

 

[desy]

So where does a state capture interstate traffic. Do they fuel up on the border states where its cheaper. I'd be interested in a study of how much traffic is localized vs long hauls and where natural corridors occur and then do you put tolls on those instead. .
Many variables

 

[Zorba]

There are more than just truck based SUVs out there these days. Some are actually based on compacts.

I know, I really meant big cars, like real SUVs and trucks.

 

[BoomerD]

pay per mile tax would be the fairest. the main problem being that the state would then have to come up with a system to verify which would cost some amount of money that they dont want to add to the budget, so it is easier for red states to slap on a punitive unfair tax.

it could be easier than we think. insurance companies require you to report your mileage and smog test stations actually have to visually inspect and record mileage. the problem being that neither come up yearly. you could require the owner to report mileage on annual registration, but you need some 3rd party to be required to check and record the mileage in order to generate enough fear of being caught fudging the numbers. can you make ev's have to do some sort of equivalent of a smog check every 2 years? or do you make insurance companies require a video of the odometer with the dated insurance bill?


sadly OBD2 tools capable of manipulating odometers are easily available, more expensive than a casual scofflaw would shell out for, but if you know a guy.... there is a bit of buzz in the automotive world about OBD3 actually looking at your ICE car output and flagging it for inspection as part of the CARB requirements.

I've never had to report my mileage to my insurance company...but apparently, they have the ability to "harvest" such info from the service records from Ford. As for annual inspections...I haven't had to deal with that pedantic shit since we left Utah in the mid-80s. Washington, California, Nevada, Oregon, Wyoming, and Idaho...nothing except smog in CA. (and we left CA in 2012, haven't had to smog a vehicle since)

 

[nakedfrog]

There needs to be a tax or fee based on vehicle weight and miles driven per year. That's the fairest thing to do if the goal is to fund the road infrastructure and not just punish EVs.

Accounting for driving out of state can complicate things.

 

[nakedfrog]

I've never had to report my mileage to my insurance company...but apparently, they have the ability to "harvest" such info from the service records from Ford. As for annual inspections...I haven't had to deal with that pedantic shit since we left Utah in the mid-80s. Washington, California, Nevada, Oregon, Wyoming, and Idaho...nothing except smog in CA. (and we left CA in 2012, haven't had to smog a vehicle since)

WA did have them for a couple decades or so, I thought.

 

[BoomerD]

WA did have them for a couple decades or so, I thought.

3 counties in WA have smog checks. King, (Seattle) Pierce, (Tacoma) and Spokane...the 3 largest cities in the state. The rest of us are free to pollute as we choose. (and, living in Grays Harbor county, I see a shit-ton of vehicles going down the roadway leaving large blue clouds of smoke behind.)

 

[nakedfrog]

3 counties in WA have smog checks. King, (Seattle) Pierce, (Tacoma) and Spokane...the 3 largest cities in the state. The rest of us are free to pollute as we choose. (and, living in Grays Harbor county, I see a shit-ton of vehicles going down the roadway leaving large blue clouds of smoke behind.)

Ended in 2020 AFAIK, which worked out well for me.

Emission checks ended - Washington State Department of Ecology

ecology.wa.gov

 

[BoomerD]

Ended in 2020 AFAIK, which worked out well for me.

Emission checks ended - Washington State Department of Ecology

ecology.wa.gov

Cool...I guess. It was always a PITA to smog vehicles when we were in CA. I never had to smog one in WA. The only time I lived in a smog county after the program started, I was still running Idaho (or Wyoming) plates. (mid-80s) Left for CA in 87, came back in 2012 and lived in Kitsap county.

 

[sportage]

I don't need to drive much. I charge my EV in the garage via the included A/C 110v charger. In all truth and complete honesty, my monthly electric bill has only increased by $2. No shit! Two-dollars. Ever since I've owned this EV. I get 360 miles on a full charge. I got 400 miles on a full tank of gas via my old ICE chevy. This car is FAST!!!! Same statics as the Tesla as far as 0 to 60. And the huge 10" touch display. Nice
Dead quiet. Pin-drop quiet. Never been stopped by a yellow light since I've owner this, I just hyperdrive thru em. And I know, that does sound a bit scary, does to me too. The speed does concern me because these electric cars are freaking fast. No shifting, no lag. Just tap the peddle and you're half way down the street.
Now if I drove a lot or drove long distances per day, I might rethink the EV. But for around town, for one-ways under 350 miles it's perfect. However, you will need to recharge before returning home if going that far.

I haven't had this much fun driving since I started driving. The technology that surrounds me is mind blowing. Truly mind blowing.
No more gallons, now I think in kilowatts.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

A window air conditioner or light bulb can increase your monthly bill by $10 or more, so your $2 analogy is either fantasy or you're burning so much power in other areas that a high current charger doesn't make a difference. Hell, I see a difference in daily usage when I charge a 40V tool battery.

The state inspections MIGHT be OK if they were done by state agencies at no cost. But they became just another money making business for private shops and scam opportunity for many.

 

[repoman0]

A window air conditioner or light bulb can increase your monthly bill by $10 or more, so your $2 analogy is either fantasy or you're burning so much power in other areas that a high current charger doesn't make a difference. Hell, I see a difference in daily usage when I charge a 40V tool battery.

The state inspections MIGHT be OK if they were done by state agencies at no cost. But they became just another money making business for private shops and scam opportunity for many.

Even the most powerful tool batteries, like mine for my lawnmower, are around 250 Wh or less. Even assuming garbage 50% charging efficiency, you spent 500 Wh to charge that battery. Noticeable if you’re really tracking it but costs like $0.10.

$2 for an EV gets you 20 kWh max assuming perfect charging efficiency if he lives in an area with the cheapest power in the country or like 50 miles per month in the most efficient EVs, so color me skeptical as well

 

[UNCjigga]

The war on EVs pales in comparison to the War on Renewable Energy. Texas was a clean energy success story (producing 25% of US wind power) and the old oil barons wanted none of that, so they created a lobbying group under Governor Abbott’s good graces and literally wrote up sections of the public utility bill at the 11th hour and rammed it through at the end of the legislative session.

Net result—higher transmission costs for renewable energy and MANDATORY fossil fuel backup for wind and solar (sorry Elon, we want your manufacturing in Texas but we won’t be buying your fancy batteries!!)

Alarm at rightwing push to reverse clean-energy success in Texas and beyond

Supporters of clean energy say they expect further battles ahead to prevent state’s progress in solar and wind from being unwound

www.theguardian.com

 

[Indus]

The war on EVs pales in comparison to the War on Renewable Energy. Texas was a clean energy success story (producing 25% of US wind power) and the old oil barons wanted none of that, so they created a lobbying group under Governor Abbott’s good graces and literally wrote up sections of the public utility bill at the 11th hour and rammed it through at the end of the legislative session.

Net result—higher transmission costs for renewable energy and MANDATORY fossil fuel backup for wind and solar (sorry Elon, we want your manufacturing in Texas but we won’t be buying your fancy batteries!!)

Alarm at rightwing push to reverse clean-energy success in Texas and beyond

Supporters of clean energy say they expect further battles ahead to prevent state’s progress in solar and wind from being unwound

www.theguardian.com

Why the fuck does anyone still live in that hell hole?

 

[Indus]

I don't need to drive much. I charge my EV in the garage via the included A/C 110v charger. In all truth and complete honesty, my monthly electric bill has only increased by $2. No shit! Two-dollars. Ever since I've owned this EV. I get 360 miles on a full charge. I got 400 miles on a full tank of gas via my old ICE chevy. This car is FAST!!!! Same statics as the Tesla as far as 0 to 60. And the huge 10" touch display. Nice
Dead quiet. Pin-drop quiet. Never been stopped by a yellow light since I've owner this, I just hyperdrive thru em. And I know, that does sound a bit scary, does to me too. The speed does concern me because these electric cars are freaking fast. No shifting, no lag. Just tap the peddle and you're half way down the street.
Now if I drove a lot or drove long distances per day, I might rethink the EV. But for around town, for one-ways under 350 miles it's perfect. However, you will need to recharge before returning home if going that far.

I haven't had this much fun driving since I started driving. The technology that surrounds me is mind blowing. Truly mind blowing.
No more gallons, now I think in kilowatts.

Which EV did you get?

 

[hal2kilo]

I've never had to report my mileage to my insurance company...but apparently, they have the ability to "harvest" such info from the service records from Ford. As for annual inspections...I haven't had to deal with that pedantic shit since we left Utah in the mid-80s. Washington, California, Nevada, Oregon, Wyoming, and Idaho...nothing except smog in CA. (and we left CA in 2012, haven't had to smog a vehicle since)

They usually ask you voluntarily to tell them your estimated driving miles per year. I have changed car insurance several times.

 

[nakedfrog]

They usually ask you voluntarily to tell them your estimated driving miles per year. I have changed car insurance several times.

Yeah, a default policy will assume something like 12k or 15k per year if you don't specify, I have both of my cars on a reduced mileage because I don't drive that much with both of them combined. Occasionally I'll get a thing asking me to report my current odometer reading. I assume if I were in an accident and there was a large discrepancy between what I reported and what it actually said, that would become a problem for me.

 

[gorobei]

I've never had to report my mileage to my insurance company...but apparently, they have the ability to "harvest" such info from the service records from Ford. As for annual inspections...I haven't had to deal with that pedantic shit since we left Utah in the mid-80s. Washington, California, Nevada, Oregon, Wyoming, and Idaho...nothing except smog in CA. (and we left CA in 2012, haven't had to smog a vehicle since)

if you have additional cars beyond your daily drivers you can sometimes get a discount on insurance based on the premise that you will be driving those other cars a fraction of the time so there is less risk of them being damaged and needing to payout a claim. so the insurance company asks for the mileage to make sure those cars arent being driven like a daily commuter.
additionally, you can get a discount if you dont drive a lot. low mileage discounts require reporting.

obviously it varies by location.

 

[hal2kilo]

Things are happening in car battery tech faster than I thought.

New 621-mile range EV battery charges in six minutes and works in any weather

To boost EV adoption, company founder Huang wants to make EV ownership and maintenance as easy as gasoline-powered cars.

interestingengineering.com

I don't think this constitutes as spam.

 

[Puffnstuff]

IDK if you guys have seen the news but GM has joined Ford in using the Tesla charging system starting with the 2025 model year EV's.

GM follows Ford in adopting Tesla’s EV charging standard

GM is going NACS.

www.theverge.com

 

[hal2kilo]

IDK if you guys have seen the news but GM has joined Ford in using the Tesla charging system starting with the 2025 model year EV's.

GM follows Ford in adopting Tesla’s EV charging standard

GM is going NACS.

www.theverge.com

Yep, and you know who's stock took a nice jump today. Nole.

 

[Paratus]

IDK if you guys have seen the news but GM has joined Ford in using the Tesla charging system starting with the 2025 model year EV's.

GM follows Ford in adopting Tesla’s EV charging standard

GM is going NACS.

www.theverge.com

Wow. For NA this is rolling towards critical mass more quickly than I expected.

 

[sandorski]

Shit needs done.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Wow. For NA this is rolling towards critical mass more quickly than I expected.

I'm of the opinion that the top guys all got together to discuss the incoming threat of Chinese EV's and decided to start working together to stave it off.

 

[Paratus]

I'm of the opinion that the top guys all got together to discuss the incoming threat of Chinese EV's and decided to start working together to stave it off.

Very possible . The Tesla plug (NACS) does have some notable benefits over CCS even if the reliability of the charging networks is the same.

The biggest is the size.

It’s a lot easier to plug in one handed and because the locking tab is in the car you’re less likely to find a NACS plug that won’t charge right because some idiot damaged the plastic tab.