Yep, also their Wages have gone UP from working as Experts in their fields through years of schooling and experience to stocking the isles at Wal-Mart too. Woot!
Heres something that nobody has mentioned. Sure Wal-Mart gives us what we want at a good price, BUUUUUUUT.......did you ever notice that the almost always build outside of city limits, or get special tax-free xoning to develop a swamp, or an unwanted parcel of land? It's no mistake. They are famous for doing this to reduce their tax burden. It does not add to the towns tax base because of the location, or arrangement, and kills businesses that do pay taxes, and decentralizes most any small town it enters.
In Jacksonville, AR, they (Wal-Mart) closed up shop on one side of the road, and built a new store on the other side of the highway on an unwanted property. This killed most all the business on the other side that had grown alongside of Wal-Mart, and moved the center of commerce another 1/4 the opposite way from downtown. It also lowered Wal-Marts tax burden enough to pay for the new building. Great planning and execution! Kill the competition, and lower your property taxes while incresing profit.
I understand that Wal-Mart is out to make a buck. That's what businesses do. I understand that they want to drive away competition as it's the natural order of commercialism. What I don't get is why people let them do what they want, then complain about it later. Just take a look a Germany to see how it should be done. They allowed Wal-Mart to come in, and Wal-Mart planned on opening around 50 stores. The Germans evaluated the locations that the mega chain wanted, and concluded that in many cases, it wouldn't be good for the local businesses or the character of the towns themselves, and that by giving Wal-Mart tax breaks, they would be unfairly promoting one business over another. As a result, Wal-Mark withdrew most of the store locations for the stores, and is now planning on less than half of the original number of stores.
In Jacksonville, AR, they (Wal-Mart) closed up shop on one side of the road, and built a new store on the other side of the highway on an unwanted property. This killed most all the business on the other side that had grown alongside of Wal-Mart, and moved the center of commerce another 1/4 the opposite way from downtown. It also lowered Wal-Marts tax burden enough to pay for the new building. Great planning and execution! Kill the competition, and lower your property taxes while incresing profit.
I understand that Wal-Mart is out to make a buck. That's what businesses do. I understand that they want to drive away competition as it's the natural order of commercialism. What I don't get is why people let them do what they want, then complain about it later. Just take a look a Germany to see how it should be done. They allowed Wal-Mart to come in, and Wal-Mart planned on opening around 50 stores. The Germans evaluated the locations that the mega chain wanted, and concluded that in many cases, it wouldn't be good for the local businesses or the character of the towns themselves, and that by giving Wal-Mart tax breaks, they would be unfairly promoting one business over another. As a result, Wal-Mark withdrew most of the store locations for the stores, and is now planning on less than half of the original number of stores.
rudder
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In order for walmart to offer those low prices they put hard demands on suppliers. This forces suppliers to either cut wages or to move production where it is cheaper. Now the person who can get the stuff for less at walmart has to buy it with their unemployment checks.
Good post about local and Germany.
You mean in Germany they (Politicians) are actually looking out for the "overall" good of the Country Economy and the people and NOT looking out for Wal-Mart? Shocking, apparently Wal-mart didn't pay the Politicians off enough.
Speaking of Political payoffs. The guy (Former Fulton County Commissioner Mitch Skandalackis) that was the Leader of the Atlanta area during the Olympic era in the 1990's pleaded guilty to accepting bribes for a Businessman that wanted to win the contract for the Telecommunications infrastructure for Atlanta.
12-16-2003 Skandalakis' Guilty Plea Expected Today
Which part of the job is skilled? Not putting your bread in the bottom of the bag or not forgetting to bag some of your items. Monkeys could do these jobs.
I scored 1600 om my SATs and will be entering Harvard Business School. I love Walmat because I plan to own one someday. Walmart may not be good for workers, but it sure will be good for me. People just need to think a bit, prioritize, get educated, get out of larbor and start owning their own companies, and move overseas. The US is finished anyway because Americans only think of themselves instead of what's good for the company.
A supplier chooses to sell to Walmart. Sometimes that is a good decision, often it is a bad one. You can make the finest arguement for how Walmart is, but the bottom line is this: people willingly shop there enmass, people willingly work there for low wages and suppliers willingly sell their product to Walmart.
If it was so bad and people didn't want them....they wouldn't exist.
An excellent argument for prostitution and drugs gambling and criminal activity of all kinds. The Devil will surely agree.
Cast my vote: No.
Wal Mart approached our city and requested to build; the issue was so hotly contested that it was actually voted on. Majority of our township said "no". So Wal mart went just across the township line, donated 50k to that township, and got permission. Because we have an agreement for water and sewage issues with that township, our existing treatment plant is at capacity (due to influx from Wal mart). So we are beginning to design expanded treatment plant, something that we hadn't planned on doing for another 5 years. We had been ranked in the top "100 small towns to live in" but i think we've lost that distinction. I will shop local as much as possible but can probably count the times i've been in walmart, on both hands (even with the normal number of fingers on each hand
). I do not like walmart, I will not support walmart, and show it by shopping at the local stores.
Wal Mart approached our city and requested to build; the issue was so hotly contested that it was actually voted on. Majority of our township said "no". So Wal mart went just across the township line, donated 50k to that township, and got permission. Because we have an agreement for water and sewage issues with that township, our existing treatment plant is at capacity (due to influx from Wal mart). So we are beginning to design expanded treatment plant, something that we hadn't planned on doing for another 5 years. We had been ranked in the top "100 small towns to live in" but i think we've lost that distinction. I will shop local as much as possible but can probably count the times i've been in walmart, on both hands (even with the normal number of fingers on each hand
). I do not like walmart, I will not support walmart, and show it by shopping at the local stores.You know what's amazing? The fact that so many people claim to support the American Dream but hate its results.
They sure are...10% of Germans unemployed and probably would love to work at Wal-Mart for some Euros. Ask some of these Germans what they think about these so-called politicians "looking out for the overall."
10% unemployment in Germany is measured differently than 10% would in the US. They measure all eligible workers/we don't.
YOUR SO DAMN SMART YOU DONT KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A BAGGER AND A CASHIER? ack, sorry bout the caps.
To say that someone that spends so many hours on their feet each day and puts up with Aholes all day long is worth less than some lazy dumb ass IT that can barely setup a user account or whos ultimate answer to everything is reload is ridiculous.
/rant off
The robots will inherit the American dream because they are more efficient. Grocery store wages will drop to zero as machines that eat are phased out. The last human will gasp, "We should have worhiped competition."
Aparently we talk about two different things. I like the Walmartization when you are talking about big gigantic super duper stores. More selection, fair prices, and all in one place. The concept has been hugely successful for a reason. It is just like Home Depot, CompUSA, Petsmart, and Costco. I don't think I have ever actually bought something at a Walmart but I go to Home Depot and such all the time.
When you talk about reducing adults wages to places below a solid living wage then I would agree with you, I have no idea what Wal Mart pays its people though. I am not sure what the best practical answer is to deal with low wages. Capitalism works extremely well in high salary areas but it fails to account for human need when you get into the low salary areas. Government intervention, aka minimum wage is a decent idea but you run into all sorts of problems when inflation is considered. Unions are another way to fight the problem. Idealy we would just all be good people and pay those people enough, but yeah right. It all boils down to having that lowest common demoninator of worker work for a decent wage, it's an interesting problem.
LunarRay
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The American Dream.. to me is embodied in these words: ". . . We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. . ."
This means, at least to me, that there are other rights not explicitly stated above but, are such that they derive their reality from the foundational three. The ability to work full time at the level of our capability and from such work derive at least the basic notion of the quoted holdings upon which we sought to provide to all citizens.
eplebnista
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