The Ultimate SM3.0 Game Thread

[stnicralisk]

Originally posted by: Bar81
Apparently logic is not your forte. We'll leave it at that.

So you dont take the opinion of experts as logical? You believe you know more about the worth of SM3 than ATi and Nvidia? Lets leave it at that. I am out of this thread I hope you have realized what a flame bait you've been.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Bar81

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Bar81
Apparently logic is not your forte. We'll leave it at that.

clearly it isn't yours
:roll:

you are looking for agreement for your ridiculous premise. . . . . all the "agreers" and fanboys have already posted and all you have left is "dissent" . . . . without it your thread gets the lack of attention it deserves.

:thumbsdown:

i won't "contribute" further

That's a relief. Your "contributions" to this thread are just a notch below Rollo's.

You are myopic and usually fail to see the big picture.

ATI is implimenting SM 3.0 because upcoming games ARE going to be relying heavily on it. . . . . in the next 12-18 months . . . . if you upgrade your videocard annually, don't worry about it. If you plan to keep it a couple of years you SHOULD consider SM 3.0 in your next videocard.

Just cause YOU don't know what's coming is no excuse for preaching ignorance.
:roll:

 

[Rage187]

Bar81, aren't you the same guy who screamed and cried that his 6800gt didnt do 1600x1200 over DVI, then found out it actually did and played it off?

Didn't you even call a bunch of board members stupid for arguing with you?


Let me see if I can find the thread, it was a classic troll thread as is this one.


You being a troll Part 1


HAHAHAHA here it is! I'd stop posting now as we all know how swift you are.

Posted By Bar81

I just got my BFG 6800GT and can't use it on my LCD through DVI because it's widescreen at a 1280x768 resolution. The most it will allow 1024x768 (1280x1024 if I uninstall my monitor driver to plug and play which is wrong). I tried to create a custom resolution at 1280x768 (which incidentally has been natively supported by my BBA 9700P, 9800, 9800P, X800P) and it doesn't work! It says it's at 1280x768 but it's actually 1280x1024 (I know this as I've tried to run the display out of spec on my ATI cards).

BFG has CONFIRMED that the only supported resolutions through DVI on their 6800GT are:

640x480
800x600
1024x768
1280x1024

THAT'S IT folks! UNF*CKINGBELIEVABLE POS

I can't believe this crap. Like I'm ever buying a BFG again. The first and last time. Incidentally, every driver set that I tried 61.34, 61.45, 61.71, 61.80 officially supports 1280x768 so I was stumped until I read a post on Hardocp confirming this issue. I am so pissed. I'm about to roll back to ATI, at least I don't have to play Sherlock Holmes with BBA products, they work right all the time.

Once again you have failed to research and then when people bring up valid points you call them stupid or dismiss their arguments. Things haven't changed much have they?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Rage187
Bar81, aren't you the same guy who screamed and cried that his 6800gt didnt do 1600x1200 over DVI, then found out it actually did and played it off?

Didn't you even call a bunch of board members stupid for arguing with you?


Let me see if I can find the thread, it was a classic troll thread as is this one.


You being a troll Part 1


HAHAHAHA here it is! I'd stop posting now as we all know how swift you are.

Posted By Bar81

I just got my BFG 6800GT and can't use it on my LCD through DVI because it's widescreen at a 1280x768 resolution. The most it will allow 1024x768 (1280x1024 if I uninstall my monitor driver to plug and play which is wrong). I tried to create a custom resolution at 1280x768 (which incidentally has been natively supported by my BBA 9700P, 9800, 9800P, X800P) and it doesn't work! It says it's at 1280x768 but it's actually 1280x1024 (I know this as I've tried to run the display out of spec on my ATI cards).

BFG has CONFIRMED that the only supported resolutions through DVI on their 6800GT are:

640x480
800x600
1024x768
1280x1024

THAT'S IT folks! UNF*CKINGBELIEVABLE POS

I can't believe this crap. Like I'm ever buying a BFG again. The first and last time. Incidentally, every driver set that I tried 61.34, 61.45, 61.71, 61.80 officially supports 1280x768 so I was stumped until I read a post on Hardocp confirming this issue. I am so pissed. I'm about to roll back to ATI, at least I don't have to play Sherlock Holmes with BBA products, they work right all the time.

Once again you have failed to research and then when people bring up valid points you call them stupid or dismiss their arguments. Things haven't changed much have they?

that's a rhetorical question, right?
:roll:

yep, same "hothead" . . . he posts something controversial (and often ridiculous) then gets pissed and insults those who disagree with him. Even after he is proven 100% wrong he runs away without a hint of apology.

i hope this wasn't a positive "contribution"
:roll:

:thumbsdown:

 

[Bar81]

Originally posted by: stnicralisk
Bar you say you want to inform people of the facts but you dont seem to understand the facts themselves anyways.

SM3.0 does not have a visual impact on games.

Let me say it again

SM3.0 does not have a visual impact on games.

Is it true that HDR in FC requires an Nvidia card? Yes, but it has nothing to do with SM3.0.

SM3.0 allows for improved programmability of shaders - NOT more shaders.

Eventually SM3.0 is going to be running certain effects at a much greater speed than that of 2.0. At this time has a game significantly taken advantage of it? No, but theyre starting to. The 3.0 features in FC at the moment can also be done by 2.0b. However this will not always be the case because 2.0b does not handle as many instructions as 3.0.

It is ridiculus to start a thread when you obviously dont have the information you need. All of your talk about 2.0++ and HDR is useless because it doesnt even involve SM3.0. Next time you should name the thread according to what you really want to talk about "Hey buying Nvidia is pointless right now!" because most of the things you are talking about have nothing to do with SM3.0.

And in splinter cell i think you must be talking about HDR. SM3.0 is simply supposed to make shaders faster in certain circumstances.

ATi makes great cards and I am not trying to get involved in your little camp fire flaming. I am only trying to help you understand SM3.0. There are plenty of reads on it Anandtech has had them posted several SEVERAL times I would suggest reading them.

Nvidia is trying a new technology. ATi can bash it all they want, come this time next year they will be preaching about how good it is (bc theyll have that feature also.)

I understand *exactly* what SM3.0 does over SM2.0b. Since people are lumping HDR in FarCry in with SM3.0, and because it *requires* SM3.0 to use in FarCry it's a legitimate feature worth noting.

In regards to SM3.0, to be a valid feature to consider it's got to give you something besides what the SM2.0b cards can do whether it be increased speed or the ability to utilize enhanced effects due to its increased efficiency over SM2.0 So, we go to the body of evidence we have in determining whether SM3.0 does this or even will do this in the near future.

I'd like to know how you make the wildly illogical conclusion that because I'm stating the facts about SM3.0 current implementation in games I somehow don't want people to buy nvidia cards. That's an illogical and ignorant statement showing a complete lack of comprehension of basic english. I don't care which you card you buy, what I do care about is that I want people to make informed decisions. In fact, I *don't* want everyone to buy cards from only one company as we need competition to maintain the pace of innovation and keep prices reasonable. You're a fool if you advocate a return of the old Intel like monopoly days.

Again, nobody is "bashing" SM3.0 as it WILL be a useful feature to have IN THE FUTURE. But the question that non-fanboys have to pose is whether when purchasing TODAY, SM3.0 is a valid feature to consider when buying a new graphics card. To make that decision you have to look at the entire body of evidence before you (i.e. the first post in this thread) and make a call.

I just don't understand why everyone is so averse to facts versus their opinion. This is a thread about facts, if you don't have any facts that contribute please flame away someplace else.

 

[Bar81]

Originally posted by: stnicralisk

Originally posted by: Bar81
Apparently logic is not your forte. We'll leave it at that.

So you dont take the opinion of experts as logical? You believe you know more about the worth of SM3 than ATi and Nvidia? Lets leave it at that. I am out of this thread I hope you have realized what a flame bait you've been.

Like apoppin, you seem to have a very weak grasp of logic and how to prove a point. I'm going to assume what you are implying is that since the next generation cards will all have SM3.0 then the feature must be important.

Well your argument has holes. First, just because ATI is implementing SM3.0 doesn't mean it's a feature you should consider atm. Nobody is saying SM3.0 won't be useful in the future but do the current generation of cards and games benefit from SM3.0 Again look at the first post and make up your OWN mind, stop trying to convince everyone to follow your OPINION.

Based upon the body of evidence, I think there is a legitimate concern that when SM3.0 are implemented en masse (and it looks like that will be in late 2006 with the Unreal 3 engine) current generation cards will have trouble even using the added effects that SM3.0 will allow due to the increased needs of those future gaming engines.

 

[Bar81]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Bar81

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Bar81
Apparently logic is not your forte. We'll leave it at that.

clearly it isn't yours
:roll:

you are looking for agreement for your ridiculous premise. . . . . all the "agreers" and fanboys have already posted and all you have left is "dissent" . . . . without it your thread gets the lack of attention it deserves.

:thumbsdown:

i won't "contribute" further

That's a relief. Your "contributions" to this thread are just a notch below Rollo's.

You are myopic and usually fail to see the big picture.

ATI is implimenting SM 3.0 because upcoming games ARE going to be relying heavily on it. . . . . in the next 12-18 months . . . . if you upgrade your videocard annually, don't worry about it. If you plan to keep it a couple of years you SHOULD consider SM 3.0 in your next videocard.

Just cause YOU don't know what's coming is no excuse for preaching ignorance.
:roll:

Again, you just don't get it and you're flailing about wildly trying to prove something that has no basis in fact. See the post above this one for why.

 

[Bar81]

Originally posted by: Rage187
Bar81, aren't you the same guy who screamed and cried that his 6800gt didnt do 1600x1200 over DVI, then found out it actually did and played it off?

Didn't you even call a bunch of board members stupid for arguing with you?


Let me see if I can find the thread, it was a classic troll thread as is this one.


You being a troll Part 1


HAHAHAHA here it is! I'd stop posting now as we all know how swift you are.

Posted By Bar81

I just got my BFG 6800GT and can't use it on my LCD through DVI because it's widescreen at a 1280x768 resolution. The most it will allow 1024x768 (1280x1024 if I uninstall my monitor driver to plug and play which is wrong). I tried to create a custom resolution at 1280x768 (which incidentally has been natively supported by my BBA 9700P, 9800, 9800P, X800P) and it doesn't work! It says it's at 1280x768 but it's actually 1280x1024 (I know this as I've tried to run the display out of spec on my ATI cards).

BFG has CONFIRMED that the only supported resolutions through DVI on their 6800GT are:

640x480
800x600
1024x768
1280x1024

THAT'S IT folks! UNF*CKINGBELIEVABLE POS

I can't believe this crap. Like I'm ever buying a BFG again. The first and last time. Incidentally, every driver set that I tried 61.34, 61.45, 61.71, 61.80 officially supports 1280x768 so I was stumped until I read a post on Hardocp confirming this issue. I am so pissed. I'm about to roll back to ATI, at least I don't have to play Sherlock Holmes with BBA products, they work right all the time.

Once again you have failed to research and then when people bring up valid points you call them stupid or dismiss their arguments. Things haven't changed much have they?

Wow, thanks for adding all that useful information about SM3.0. What are you, Rollo's bastard child? <thread IQ drops another 2 points>

And to address that post, you obviously have a reading comprehension problem along with most fanboys. I guess you're expecting me to apologize for believing BFG support when they told me something. Simply not going to happen. Learn to read, you might get a clue.

 

[Bar81]

Originally posted by: apoppin

that's a rhetorical question, right?
:roll:

yep, same "hothead" . . . he posts something controversial (and often ridiculous) then gets pissed and insults those who disagree with him. Even after he is proven 100% wrong he runs away without a hint of apology.

i hope this wasn't a positive "contribution"
:roll:

:thumbsdown:

I like how you cover up your own ignorance and lack of logic by making personal judgments. Again, you, Rollo, and Rage187 need to:

(1) Contribute something actually useful to this thread
(2) Take a reading comprehension course
(3) Take a logic course

 

[Rage187]

Judging from every thread you have started including this one, you just like to bash Nv or down play any advantage they have over ATI.

That makes you a troll.

Just because we know your style, it's no excuse for trolling.

 

[Bar81]

Originally posted by: Rage187


Judging from every thread you have started including this one, you just like to bash Nv or down play any advantage they have over ATI.

That makes you a troll.

Just because we know your style, it's no excuse for trolling.

Thanks again for contributing so much to the facts in this thread. I guess personal attacks must make you right. Please leave this thread.

 

[Rage187]

Actually I'm stating the facts. My evidence is every thread you have started in the Video Forums(see links in my previous post), care to dispute the facts?

 

[Bar81]

Originally posted by: Rage187
Actually I'm stating the facts. My evidence is every thread you have started in the Video Forums(see links in my previous post), care to dispute the facts?

Thanks again for contributing so much to the facts in this thread. I guess personal attacks must make you right. Please leave this thread.

 

[Rage187]

^ you have been called out and have folded.


guess there are some FACTS you can't argue.

 

[Bar81]

Originally posted by: Rage187
^ you have been called out and have folded.


guess there are some FACTS you can't argue.

Thanks again for contributing so much to the facts in this thread. I guess personal attacks must make you right. Please leave this thread.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Rage187
Actually I'm stating the facts. My evidence is every thread you have started in the Video Forums(see links in my previous post), care to dispute the facts?

The facts? You're certainly show many of yours.:roll:

 

[Rage187]

Originally posted by: Tabb

You're certainly show many of yours.:roll:

wha?

 

[Solutions]

Originally posted by: Bar81
I like how you cover up your own ignorance and lack of logic by making personal judgments. Again, you, Rollo, and Rage187 need to:

(1) Contribute something actually useful to this thread
(2) Take a reading comprehension course
(3) Take a logic course

1. You are a flaming idiot. Thank you for providing us with the proof here: http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...&STARTPAGE=1&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear
You keep telling forum members to post their proof... Where da fuk is yours?
2. Done.
3. Done.

Now flame on.

 

[Bar81]

Originally posted by: Solutions

Originally posted by: Bar81
I like how you cover up your own ignorance and lack of logic by making personal judgments. Again, you, Rollo, and Rage187 need to:

(1) Contribute something actually useful to this thread
(2) Take a reading comprehension course
(3) Take a logic course

1. You are a flaming idiot. Thank you for providing us with the proof here: http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...&STARTPAGE=1&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear
You keep telling forum members to post their proof... Where da fuk is yours?
2. Done.
3. Done.

Now flame on.

Thanks again for contributing so much to the facts in this thread. I guess personal attacks must make you right. Please leave this thread.

 

[fstime]

This thread needs to me locked also, turning into a flame war with rollo arguing with everyone which is getting pretty boring.

 

[Slaimus]

One thing about the graphics rendering pipeline... there really should not be branching or looping. What most likely happens is that the DXSL compiler merely repeats the code however many times for loops, and execute both branches, picking the result from the chosen branch afterwards for branching.

 

[kingmike]

Buying a card for sm3.0 support makes as much since as buying a $600.00 + card to get an additional 5 to 10 frames per second, when a card for $350.00 plays all games at acceptable frames. Considering that both ATI and Nvidia will support the feature on the next generation validates its importance.

 

[Spike]

The MAIN reason I bought a 6800GT was for the price/performance ratio but the idea of little "future-proofing" with SM 3.0 is fine by me. At the moment I am shopping for my brother and am reccomending nVidia, this is due to performance and the SM 3 as he, unlike alot of us, won't upgrade his card for another 2+ years.

Just for reference, I am not a "nvidiot" or "ATI Fanboy". I have tried a wealth of cards including:

Radeon LE
Radeon 8500
Radeon 9600 pro
Radeon 9800 pro
GeForce 256 (don't remember the brand)
GeForce2 GTS (don't remember the brand)
BFG 6800GT

I usually get what is the best price/performance at the time or just whatever tickles my fancy

-spike

 

[deadseasquirrel]

We interrupt this flame fest for this important announcement....


I like pie.


Now, back to your regularly scheduled flame bait.

 

[Spike]

Originally posted by: deadseasquirrel
We interrupt this flame fest for this important announcement....


I like pie.


Now, back to your regularly scheduled flame bait.

Why not just say "postcount++"

-spike

PS: postcount++