A right to choose what can happen to your own body is more important the the right of a few cells swimming around in a liquid feeding off of you.
Lets see:
1) just joined
2) profile turned off
3) started a thread on abortion because its gross
4) cant formulate a cogent argument
5) believes a fetus is a baby
6) uses #4 to apply to the emotional, and illogical argument of the thread
7) uses standard anti-choice arguments (see #6)
8) has difficulty forming complete sentences
Um, yea. So how old are you kiddo? Im in my late, actually latest, 20s.
I do agree that the kid tried a bit hard to pull at people's emotions with the graphic pictures. But, I do think that 90% of the people who support abortion (especially partial birth abortions) have never actually had to see first hand what an abortion is like.
Furthermore, please don't be hypocrits about someone pulling to someone's emotions with graphic details libs. I have heard so much souped up and graphic rhetoric from the anti-war crowd here to try to change someone's mind about their position on foreign policy that many of you have no room to ridicule this guy for his pictures and videos.
Furthermore, please don't be hypocrits about someone pulling to someone's emotions with graphic details libs. I have heard so much souped up and graphic rhetoric from the anti-war crowd here to try to change someone's mind about their position on foreign policy that many of you have no room to ridicule this guy for his pictures and videos.
dullard
Elite Member
- May 21, 2001
- 25,898
- 4,485
- 126
No, when you have to choose person (a) to die or person (b) to die, then the rights of one balance the rights of the other and the choice can be constitiutionally made. We can always choose the lesser of two evils.
Law allows one right to trump another right.
Of course, if the life of person (b) is not in danger, then you cannot kill person (a).
sandorski
No Lifer
- Oct 10, 1999
- 70,677
- 6,250
- 126
Why must one witness an abortion to see what it's like? It is a meaningless experience. Hell, I can't stand watching someone put a needle in their arm, nevermind watch any form of surgery. So just because I would get squeamish over an Abortion, Abortion is wrong??
Ah, in this case I think the court would agree with you. I would also agree with you in this case.
People could at least look at pictures from an educational point of view. How many people in this thread have referred to a fetus as 'a few cells swimming around in a liquid', despite the fact that this is clearly not the case?
I think we can justify killing infants in certain circumstances (in cases of severe congenital abnormalities associated with great pain and shortened life expectancy). I have no problem with the termination of the fetus at any stage of pregnancy. Not that it's any of my business. It's the woman's choice to make.
How about this - new law - everyone who supports abortion should have to perform one themselves. Or better yet, not only do they have to perform one themselves, they must also go to a third world country, buy a slave baby, and disembowel it while chanting "abortion, abortion". Then they have to smother themselves with baby entrails and dance around the fire.
/sarcasm
Cyclowizard - I wonder why is it that you're so eager to make rules and laws, which will NEVER apply to you. Frankly, I don't believe that men should be able to determine the outcome of the abortion debate AT ALL. Remember - you'll never have to carry a growing fetus inside of you after being raped. You won't have to carry a growing fetus inside of you when you're 13 and your 19-year-old boyfriend, who swore undying love to you tells you to ****** off. And you'll never have to carry a growing fetus inside of you when your parents tell you that they would throw you out of the house if you had sex before marriage, and would never speak with you again. And you will never have to carry a growing fetus, knowing that it will be blind, deaf, and retarded, because you had measles while pregnant.
You will never have to face this... and not because you're so much better than everyone else (which you seem to think), but because you physically can't. So let's leave the decision-making to the people who could.
/sarcasm
Cyclowizard - I wonder why is it that you're so eager to make rules and laws, which will NEVER apply to you. Frankly, I don't believe that men should be able to determine the outcome of the abortion debate AT ALL. Remember - you'll never have to carry a growing fetus inside of you after being raped. You won't have to carry a growing fetus inside of you when you're 13 and your 19-year-old boyfriend, who swore undying love to you tells you to ****** off. And you'll never have to carry a growing fetus inside of you when your parents tell you that they would throw you out of the house if you had sex before marriage, and would never speak with you again. And you will never have to carry a growing fetus, knowing that it will be blind, deaf, and retarded, because you had measles while pregnant.
You will never have to face this... and not because you're so much better than everyone else (which you seem to think), but because you physically can't. So let's leave the decision-making to the people who could.
The hell does this have to do with anything? Kindly take your disingenuous appeals to emotion out of the discussion and keep them there.
When some one's life is dependent on you then you cna decided what to do. Until then it isn't your choose or your problem.
Did you see how small the fetus was in that video? Just because it has started to grow basic human limbs does not make it human. Are you forgetting that during the first trimester the fetus is NOT conscious and doesn't even have a working brain? What are you killing at that point? It was like pulling the plug on Terri Schiavo. We didn't kill her. She was already brain dead. The fetus [during the first trimester] isn't yet alive in the sense that it can't think, feel, react, etc... so what exactly is being killed? The fetus is more like a vegetable at that stage than a human.
My idea:
- Abortions may only occur within first trimester unless mother needs medical help that requires an aboriton
under what circumstances would someone decide to give birth, and then half way through change her mind and want to abort the fetus?
Well the thread started with one emotional argument, so there is plenty of room for an emotional counter argument.
But there is another argument there, which you clearly omitted in your reply. Why is it that you're so eager to make laws which will never affect you.
We've been over this a thousand times. If you really cared about saving lives, rather than legislating morality, you'd support contraception and sex ed programs.
How often are pictures like these and the rest of the anti-abortion propaganda used to influence people's opinions through logic? Never, it's an extremely effective way to change people's opinions by using their emotions, not logic. These pictures are nothing but an emotional appeal and have no place in a rational debate.
I have extreme doubts if any of the media displayed on that site are actually first trimester abortions.
Why make laws for something that will never affect me? How do you possibly know whether it affects me? Maybe I'm emotionally traumatized by the very existence of abortion in our society. Maybe the guy who was supposed to cure cancer or be the next Einstein was aborted today. To say that I'm not a woman and therefore unaffected is simply disingenuous at best. But that doesn't even matter. If something is wrong, we as a society should prohibit it, whether it directly affects us or not. I will never be affected by hate crime legislation because I'm not a minority or a racist. Does that mean I should have no say in whether hate crime legislation exists or not? No, and it would be ridiculous to suggest such a thing. You do so in this instance because you have no other argument.
Yes, and you are still wielding your red herring because you can't wage a real argument. Therefore, piss off.
judasmachine
Diamond Member
- Sep 15, 2002
- 8,515
- 3
- 81
I don't like your wording or name calling but you have a point. Someone willing to do this isn't going to give half a crap about these pictures.
dullard
Elite Member
- May 21, 2001
- 25,898
- 4,485
- 126
Correct. The Catholics (and other similar religions) and their anti-contraception views are a major cause of abortions (maybe the biggest cause). If they simply let contraception be used, abortions would plummet. I think that is the definition of irony.
Actually, the best evidence suggests that cortical activity does not occur until LATE in the third trimester. Cortical activity is VERY different from brain stem activity.
OK OP, now where is the video of the woman suffering? Suffering through pregnancy of a fetus she does not want? Or the pain she receives from getting an abortion?
It's not like the woman just flips a switch and the tiny hands and feet of the fetus explode out into little pieces and then arrange themselves around "in god we trust" on a 25 cent coin. The precedures are painful physically and emotionally. The woman is not going to make this decision on a whim.
Nothing I saw in that video changed my mind. In fact, it confirmed my beliefs: that abortion is a disgusting procedure for the mother and needs to be considered carefully.
It's not like the woman just flips a switch and the tiny hands and feet of the fetus explode out into little pieces and then arrange themselves around "in god we trust" on a 25 cent coin. The precedures are painful physically and emotionally. The woman is not going to make this decision on a whim.
Nothing I saw in that video changed my mind. In fact, it confirmed my beliefs: that abortion is a disgusting procedure for the mother and needs to be considered carefully.
The greatest fallacy of all time. If people listened to the Catholic Church in the first place, they wouldn't be having sex. Ergo, it's ridiculous to claim that they're not using contraception because they're doing what the Church is telling them to do. It's even more ridiculous because the Church also tells them not to have an abortion. It's convenient for critics to neglect all this, however, and simply blame the Church because people don't bother to read the whole book, instead picking and choosing parts that fit their agenda.
TRENDING THREADS
-
Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)- Started by DisEnchantment
- Replies: 24K
-
Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes Discussion Threads
- Started by Tigerick
- Replies: 21K
-
Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread- Started by TheF34RChannel
- Replies: 23K
-
-
Facebook
Twitter