What I meant is that you don't consider adultery, homosexuality and even beastility (or whatever it's called) bad and yet view this as an extreme of bad. It's all a matter of perspective. If you can't respect our laws/culture then you musn't expect us to respect yours. But if you really think that your disrespect of our laws gives you the right to murder, rape and torture anyone with such beliefs then you will suffer the consequences.
Nebor
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Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: Nebor
If it's any consolation, I don't have a problem with the vast majority of Arabian\Persian\Pakistani people. It's the muslims that are the problem. The secular ones I've met, we get along great, they're good people. So if Islam as a religion would just die, then none of it's followers would have to, and we could end this silly little holy war.
The thing about religion is, a lot of people are willing to die for it.
Yes you will have to kill me before you can say you have "defeated Islam"
If you'd like to cross over into Kandahar, and we can agree to some identifying clothing, a fraternity brother of mine would be happy to set you up with a lovely M852.
Islam does not dislike anyone as a person. Islam is there to benefit mankind as a whole and I believe Islam has been misused by some as a tool to gain power. However, it would be stupid to blame Islam for the crimes committed against you by some claiming to represent it.
Originally posted by: Nebor
And you'll suffer the consequences of those consequences.
And in turn you will suffer then consequences of those consequences of those consequences.
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: Nebor
If it's any consolation, I don't have a problem with the vast majority of Arabian\Persian\Pakistani people. It's the muslims that are the problem. The secular ones I've met, we get along great, they're good people. So if Islam as a religion would just die, then none of it's followers would have to, and we could end this silly little holy war.
The thing about religion is, a lot of people are willing to die for it.
Yes you will have to kill me before you can say you have "defeated Islam"
If you'd like to cross over into Kandahar, and we can agree to some identifying clothing, a fraternity brother of mine would be happy to set you up with a lovely M852.
I'll fight for Islam not for some idiots claiming to represent it.
palehorse
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Adultery - any sexual activities outside of a marriage to one woman, and beatiality of any sort, are punishable crimes in most Western countries; so where do you get the idea that we don't consider them "bad"?
You will never convince any civilized human being that sex with a child is acceptable. AFAIC, and you'll find that many in the West agree with me, it should be punishable by death.
Ozoned
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I don't approve of any of the things you mentioned. I don't believe that I have the right to murder, rape and torture anyone.
Remember, the trouble is the west....
Now About Mohammed and having sex with an 8 year old, I want you to tell me how this is ok? Do the pillars of your faith allow you to say, "This isn't a good thing"?
The Green Bean
"Islam does not dislike anyone as a person. Islam is there to benefit mankind as a whole and I believe Islam has been misused by some as a tool to gain power. However, it would be stupid to blame Islam for the crimes committed against you by some claiming to represent it."
Much like saying that the collapse of Communism was not the fault of it's ideology. The fact was that it was unworkable in real life.
Islam as a religion may work as a personal guide for some people (as most religions do) but political and social Islam is an unworkable ideology in this day and age. Most of the problems for muslims stem from the fact that they insist that it still works.
"Islam does not dislike anyone as a person. Islam is there to benefit mankind as a whole and I believe Islam has been misused by some as a tool to gain power. However, it would be stupid to blame Islam for the crimes committed against you by some claiming to represent it."
Much like saying that the collapse of Communism was not the fault of it's ideology. The fact was that it was unworkable in real life.
Islam as a religion may work as a personal guide for some people (as most religions do) but political and social Islam is an unworkable ideology in this day and age. Most of the problems for muslims stem from the fact that they insist that it still works.
No... There are reasons for any law that which I will not go into here. The laws are final and will not be changed. Now if you have any questions to the "why" of any laws you should be able to find someone to answer them. It's not my place. The Quran simply says about democracy: "Say: "Not equal are things (those) that are bad and things(those) that are good, even though the abundance of the bad may dazzle thee; so fear Allah, O ye that understand; that (so) ye may prosper." So what the majority says does not decide what is right nor does it negate what is.
Another stupid statement by Ozone. If you don't respect other cultures, how can my friends in Brooklyn respect the Jews that kill chicken in their homes and wipe the blood on their forehead? So barbaric. Who knows, maybe they molest the chicken before the killing, to make the blood extra tangy.
And you being married to your wife for 20 years and never thinking about other women is right along the lines of robots and liars. I've been with my gf for two years now and I fantasize about other women all the time. No matter how beautiful they are, you start to get bored. To say otherwise is to be a liar.
it works but they don't know how to work it... Or they don't want it to work; and rather want to use it as a tool to gain power and money rather than for the good of the people. But as I said it's pretty much been like that ever since the Ummayyad's came to power.
The thing is you can not study a religion or ideology as old as this without mastering its history. The answer to why it's not working can be found there.
Originally posted by: Ozoned
Islam destroys the creative capacity of people, and in turn the greatness that they could have achieved.
Have a nice day!
That's ridiculous. Laws have nothing to do with being creative. Laws are meant to be objective not subjective. Perhaps you should come up with new laws to express you "creativeness"
Laws allow me to ask why? But then there IS an answer for those that. Only if you know why can you criticize it.
DarkThinker
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Oh really?
Well first of all it figures, I knew the little Zionist deep within you couldn't resist financing an internationally renowned Terrorist Jewish Group!.
And it's quiet amusing that the "best" way to fight the war is by not supporting your own Military
! That was I have to say one of the highest crap packed posts you have delivered to the members of P&N so far BRAVO *clap* *clap*You still consider yourself an American homeboy?
Secondly: You say there are +1.5 billion people that are enemies to your country and willing to cause havoc and so forth yet you don't move a finger, don't enlist in your country's Army and go fight them in Iraq. Instead :laugh: you go like the good obedient Zionist you are and pay up to a group of Jewish terrorists to do the bidding for you?
Look Nebor, you would be dead mistaken to take me for an idiot for a second, either you realize it or not I can see very well through your crapery of posts and into your personality, I am just playing along, giving you more rope to see where you are going to go with your hypocrisy and it's looking pretty bad for you as is right now I must as futile as it is confess.
Irregardless, NOW, you have reached a critical point, a fork in the road if you will. You are obviously not man enough to go defend your own country, hell not even donating your money to your own Army (DON'T LIE)! Yet you keep preaching this clear and ever present danger to all of us!
Therefore If I were to make an educated guess about you from all the posts I have read so far in P&N I would say you are either:
A) An ill willed Coward
B) A Liar and a Hypocrite (and sucking at it too)
C) A true Zionist (not a true American mind you)
D) A fscked up mix of all the above!
I am not a gambler, but if I were one, I would gladly put my life savings on horse D !
Originally posted by: Nebor
If it's any consolation, I don't have a problem with the vast majority of Arabian\Persian\Pakistani people. It's the muslims that are the problem. The secular ones I've met, we get along great, they're good people. So if Islam as a religion would just die, then none of it's followers would have to, and we could end this silly little holy war.
The thing about religion is, a lot of people are willing to die for it.
:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
Said the guy who finances Jewish terrorist groups in order to eliminate Muslims. Said the guy who wants +1.5 billion people eliminated because they won't give up their beliefs. Says the guy who is willing to KILL FOR IT!
**HYPOCRISY METER EXPLODES INTO SMITHEREENS**
palehorse
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Our citizens and their democratically elected executive, legislative, and judicial representatives, that's who!
I know this concept is strange to you, since you get your definitions and guidance from a fantasy novel, but this is generally how the civilized world works!
Well I think this concept can be universally applied: 'Say: "Not equal are those that are bad and those that are good, even though the abundance of the bad may dazzle thee; so fear Allah, O ye that understand; that (so) ye may prosper." '
You can have your "democratically elected executive, legislative, and judicial representatives" play God and decide whatever they want. The root of the difference is that we believe in a higher cause of creation and you don't. Maybe you don't want to and instead of debating in a civilized manner you are part of those that "press their fingers in their ears to keep out the stunning thunder-clap."
But I guess the cavemen, barbarians and Mongols had their own sets of the definition of the term civilization.
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