The Trouble Is the West

[jonks]

Originally posted by: piasabird
Interesting Article. One thing it obvoiusly recommended is giving no consideration at all to the wishes of muslims. No recognition at universities and not recognition or special privliges at any public schools. This is how the Muslim Extremests work. Take a look at France when Muslims do not get their way they start burning cars and destroying property. France responds with rubber bullets. What a joke. How will that stop these muslim extremists? If you let them get away with murder they will keep coming, and they will keep demanding more and more. It is like a cancer growing out of control.

It is not that the west can not tolerate people of different religions. (In most locations) Admittedly, there are some countries where Protestants and Catholics clearly have issues, like Ireland, which is hard for people in the USA to understand. In the USA we have fought long and hard for the freedom of people to practice their own religion. At the same time, in the USA, we are very much against any religion being interjected into politics. We clearly support a separation of government and religion. Some muslim extremists on the other hand want religion fanatics for their political rulers, and want to force Muslim laws on everyone. This will never stand in the USA. We would probably start burning down their places of worship and rounding them up if this happened. We keep the peace here so every religion can flourish, and people have the right to worship and believe in or not believe in whatever they want.

People in politics on the Left should be very careful how they make exceptions for Muslims. They wont make any friends by embracing muslims. We are suppose to have a separation of church and state and that applies to all religions.

Really? Recall this gem of a few nights ago?

http://politicalticker.blogs.c...ery-word-in-the-bible/

How many non-muslim Americans require this for their vote? A few? A few million more like?

The response to the question is simple. The constitution states there shall be no religious test for office, and I refuse to answer a such a question. Course if any of them were honest enough and had enough integrity to say that, they'd lose the crazy vote.

 

[chucky2]

Originally posted by: DarkThinker

Yet you gladly do HUGE business with a communist anti-individual liberty country such as China, spare me your theories about trade please.
Also will you stop using what happens in Saudi Arabia as what happens in every country there is Muslims in please? Saudi Arabia is filled to the brim with Wahabis, people who I don't really see as true Muslims for the most part, they have their own views and philosophy.

Uh, I didn't give you theories on trade??? I understand what you're saying about us doing an insane amount of business with China...why American's continue to buy Chinese goods (when they have a chance to buy something made somewhere else) I have no idea...we're leading to our own demise buy our greed for cheap goods...no argument from me there.

As far as SA, sure, it's yet another example of why moderate muslims need to start maturing the mindset. Sudan is not SA, yet we have yet another pristine example of what happens when it's not moderate Islam influencing the population...just how many countries/areas is it going to take before the Muslim community itself starts taking real measures to reign in their own???

Have you asked yourself why those radicals are willing to die going after us in the first place? People like you are giving them the platform to stay in existence and grow. Stop invading colonizing/raping countries, then support for radicals will shrink and the moderates would overcome again. That is but a pipe dream though, that's the only oil in the world we can freely control if we fight enough and that is the object, that and the strategic land, don't fool yourself, any country in power would go for that.

Sure, I realize that past US policy/actions has bred many people who are setup to be brainwashed to kill us, in reality I don't blame those folks a bit. If someone dropped a bomb on my house and killed my family, I'd want to kill them too. The question though is: Why did we take that action? Was it because we just decided to go blow up a house full of civs for fun, or, was it because we got intelligence (which is many times going to be from Muslims) that we someone we needed to take out was in that house? What then? Let him go?

Also, we don't "invade" other countries and rape them. I keep seeing this whining excuse used for us being in Iraq, and it's flat out wrong. We went into Iraq killing an absolute minimum of civilians, and instead of sealing off the oil fields and shooting anyone who came near them, we sacrificed almost 4,000 of our own to get that country to be for the people, instead of against them. Don't sit here and tell me Russia or China or Iran would have done it better, because we all know the civ deathtoll would have been far higher.

I don't know how/when you expect moderates to overcome a brutal dictator like Saddam? How and When was that going to happen exactly? How are these civ's in Sudan going to overcome the butchers there? Answer: They won't. And since they won't, then it's either let those regime's continue, or overthrow them.

I don't dispute we went into Iraq partly because of oil...I'm sure if that was Madagascar or some other wholly un-important country, we'd be like Good luck with that... However I don't believe at all we went there solely for oil, or even as the major reason. A successful Iraq can one day become an anchor for moderation in the ME. That it's civ population - once it figures out it's themselves killing each other and not the US - will be far ahead of those in other nearby countries once real trade with the US is started is just a side benefit. I sometimes wonder if those in the ME realize the US is doing what it's doing in Iraq for the benefit of Iraqi's, and not just so the US has more oil (hint: we had just as much oil at cheaper prices beforehand, without spending 100's of Billions and expending lives to get it). I realize it's hard sometimes for those who live in regions where distrust and wariness is the name of the game...it can be hard to understand when people show up with just good intentions and little more (read: US in Iraq, Teacher in Sudan).

And before you look at the radicals oversees, why don't you fell free ATM to look at the radicals in this country? Their methods might seem to the naked eye better sophisticated, their intentions however are just as sinister.
And are you telling me that the US gladly offered 4000 of it's sons and daughters for the sake of Iraqi's well being? No one is that gullible maybe here but not in the ME. Most Americans don't buy it ATM either thank God.

Radicals in this country? Which ones are those? Bush? He's radical because he sent 4,000 of his own to die to liberate (Yes Narmer, it was a liberation, if you remember, Saddam and his sons weren't exactly nice people; and it's not the US over there killing people, it's Muslim on Muslim violence) Iraq, spent 100 of Billions of his own countries money, and will be known forever as a POS in his own country because of it? Yeah, he was radically too well intentioned. How about the radical UN? Those radicals jumped to save the people of Sudan being butchered by the truck full....oh wait, that's right, the UN (read: the rest of the world) did nothing, and still has done nothing.

It'd be funny if it wasn't killing our own that our soldiers go over with the best of intentions to Iraq, are killed, all the while Muslims (and our own apologists/self-haters/defeatists here at home) wail Look what the US has done, Look what the US has done, when it's the Muslims themselves over there through their own pettiness that are killing each other.

It's not The Great Satan F'ing up Iraq for the past few years, it's Iraqi's themselves. How about them Radicals?

Chuck

 

[chucky2]

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: chucky2

Originally posted by: Narmer

Look at the hypocritical American foreign policy in that region and then try to ask your questions again with a straight-face.

What hypocritical American foreign policy in that region?

We've spent almost 4,000 of our own lives in liberating Iraq and trying to get it up on it's own feet...and the people who are fighting us are either AQI, or Iraqi's themselves.

We're dropping the ball in Afghanistan, but it's the same sort of deal there.

What would you have the US do in the ME Narmer?

I'm all for going hands off on Israel, however I really don't think anyone except Israel in the ME would like that....so what do you want the US to do?

We can leave the ME, that's all well and good. But what happens when the brutal radicals start cowing the population (as we see happening in Africa) and then we've got another NW Pakistan on our hands?

Chuck

liberating?:laugh: Was that supposed to be a joke or do you honestly believed that you liberated the iraqis?

See above.

 

[chucky2]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

:thumbsup:

It's hard to decide who is the bigger threat to Islam. People like Ayyan or people like OBL. It's a very sad state muslims have come to but it's partly their own fault. However t American interference has been a major motivator for recent violence.

Yes, it's the American's...always us Americans... :roll: In 50 years when China is the big boy on the block, and we're just fighting to stay out or recession/inflation, who are Muslims going to blame then for their state (dont' self delude now here...it'll be the same state their in now, just more radical)? Still the US? I'm just wondering when we get off the Who I can blame except myself list...

I think some of the mulsim rulings and violent protests in the name of Islam are silly. Take the verdict in Sudan for example; it's hard to believe that these are the same muslims who made a man that wrote derogatory stuff about the Prophet during his time one of their governors who was later a commander for the first civil war and said what eventually bought about EVERY schism in Islam.

It seems like most of today's "muslim" leaders are followers of that man. They will do anything to come to power; be it kill hundreds of innocents - even muslims. And it has always been men like these that have bought the muslims to the state at which the currently stand - slaves of their western masters.

Having said that; comments like these only spark a conflict between the West and Islam. I Can't understand how Americans and Islamic militants can call themselves "civilized" when instead of debating their ideologies they spread it by force.

Well TGB, you just basically answered your own question here. Just in case you missed it, let me spell it out for you: When "debating" with radical Islam, there is no debate. In recent news, we've got the woman raped in SA getting jail time and lashes (The whole rest of the world did a big WTF?!?! on that one btw), but I'm sure we'd get the But it's SA excuse. So then we've got the teacher in Sudan getting jail time and her life endangered for giving her kids the horrific freedom to name a toy bear what they want. You see how well reason and "debate" worked there? What? It didn't? Hmmm...yes...."debate"....

I see this so called war on terror an attempt by Bush to spread "Democracy" as nothing better than the spread of Nazism by the Nazis granted that the former maybe superior. I think you Americans seem to base your beliefs that "Democracy is superior to Islam" on the sole fact that American's are far ahead of muslims in most fields of life. However; if you study history closely; the only reason muslims are backward is because of their own greed; not because of Islam itself. There are other aspects of civilization which Americans have lost.

You compare the US system of government to Nazism????? Holy F, I cannot believe you just said that... :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:

Just to set the record straight: The US doesn't see it's style of government superior to Islam, we see it superior to brutal dictators and radical leaders who hear radical Islam in their head and/or are influenced by hardliner radicals. Call us crazy, but last I checked, we don't give teachers jailtime here for letting classes name their toys Jesus.

I'll agree that folks in the ME are in the condition they're in because of their "Leaders" own greed...yet, nothing changes (unless the US takes steps to induce change, but then we're labeled Nazi's/Invaders/Oppressors/WhateverotherBSterm. In fact, it seems as if the radical position only grows stronger, instead of weaker, despite US involvement.

What style of rule is superior should be debated in a more civilized manner rather than having scores settled by using force and influence. The practical application of democracy is a hoax with most power and policies being dictated by money rather than intellect.

The practical application of democracy (which we're not really) has been perverted here in the West be large corporations and greedy F'ing politicians...Iraq would do well to learn from that instead of killing each other, but oh well, It's the US's fault, so another mass grave is on us... :roll:

Chuck

 

[piasabird]

I do not really know what to think about the Japanese. Japan was a country that was ruthless and were were in open war against one country. It was obviously wrong in some degrees because we did not round up all the German Americans or the Italian Americans. It definitely could have been handled in a better way. Probably had something to do with the Japanese not being European. The Japanese were so different from us that it made it easy to fear and hate them. They were not even thought of as being Human. They were the Japs and their country wanted to kill us and take our land. Japan was an emperialistic power seeking a larger empire and they put to the sword all who opposed them.

World War II was a different scenario. It took every possible effort to defeat our enemies. We were fighting In Europe and Asia and Africa. I think we won basically because the free world had more assets than the Germans, and we had more people that were willing to fight for freedom. It is hard to imagine the status of the world during World War II. During that time all manufacturing was converted to the war effort. They stopped making civilian automobiles during the conflict. It is just impossible to imagine what it was like unless you lived through it.

I think believing in the Bible is irrelevent. Everyone believes in something. It might be a religious doctrine or it might be the Law, or it might be social equality and revenue sharing, or it may be communism.

Have you ever read the bible from cover to cover?

Most of it is just historical. It is full of begats and who did what.

The author of the article or shall I say the person that was interviewed in the article had a message. The Message was that Islamist extremests have taken over as a political movement and their goal is world domination. The person being interviewed is warning us that if we do not defeat these extremists that we will be a conquered people and living under their laws. He said if you give these people an inch of power you can just expect them to attempt to take over your country. This is the message the article was trying to deliver.

If you do not listen to this message you will be in danger of ignoring a group of people that want to kill all non-muslims.

Is that what you want?

 

[Nebor]

It's good to see that a majority of people in this thread see that (the majority of) muslims are the enemy, either through overt acts against us, or tacit support of those who are against us. :thumbsup:

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: chucky2
You compare the US system of government to Nazism????? Holy F, I cannot believe you just said that... :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:

Apparently you haven't been hanging around P&N enough. If I could have a penny for every far-left nutjob that has compared GWB, the USA, et al. to Hitler and the Nazis, I could retire a very rich man. Now.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Nebor
It's good to see that a majority of people in this thread see that (the majority of) muslims are the enemy, either through overt acts against us, or tacit support of those who are against us. :thumbsup:

The majority of Muslims are our enemies? That's A.) Xenophobic and B.) We're screwed if it's true.

So we're currently battling a network of 500 million people or more throughout the world, present in nearly every country? This is truly an 'enemies are everywhere!' argument.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: Nebor
It's good to see that a majority of people in this thread see that (the majority of) muslims are the enemy, either through overt acts against us, or tacit support of those who are against us. :thumbsup:

You're making a joke, here, I know it.

...You have to be....

 

[DarkThinker]

Originally posted by: Nebor
It's good to see that a majority of people in this thread see that (the majority of) muslims are the enemy, either through overt acts against us, or tacit support of those who are against us. :thumbsup:

LOL yet you are still twiddling your thumbs in Texas!!

GET OUT OF THAT WOMB... +1.5 billion evil Muslim people are amassing in every country in middle-earth awaiting for your demise and your compatriots'! Fight them! Killll them ......*foaming at the mouth ... then something else*

^ Did that sound like a story your dad read to you before he tucked you into bed when you were being programmed / raised?

Let me see you take some action and prove yourself a MAN and not all talk for once in your life!

Get out of your enclosure where you are sheltered by your kind, grow a couple maybe three, go enlist in the army fight against these "Enemies..." you have proclaimed as being so...cause another Abu-Ghraib? (they still didn't find out that they are the enemy BTW, which is good because then you can take them by surprise!)

Start a movement, rally the people...attack some "enemies" here?.... just do something for Christ's sake I rather be shot in the face than hear the vaporware of callows alike you. You talk you talk... you talk about the enemies and BS along those lines and put a dozen bumper stickers on your cow haller, yet you take no action while being aware of the enemies that just might be living across the street from you, what a coward I say.
If I knew of enemies of any of my countries willing to do harm to anyone I would spare no one who would stand in my way.
But be relieved Nebor, that you will be going nowhere, you will be doing nothing, you will just sit in your corner delirious.

Prove me wrong Nebor do something worth noting.

 

[ranmaniac]

Originally posted by: Nebor
It's good to see that a majority of people in this thread see that (the majority of) muslims are the enemy, either through overt acts against us, or tacit support of those who are against us. :thumbsup:

Fear leads to the Dark Side.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
So we're currently battling a network of 500 million people or more throughout the world, present in nearly every country? This is truly an 'enemies are everywhere!' argument.

Muslims account for nearly 2 billion people across the world, not 500 million.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: DarkThinker

Originally posted by: Nebor
It's good to see that a majority of people in this thread see that (the majority of) muslims are the enemy, either through overt acts against us, or tacit support of those who are against us. :thumbsup:

LOL yet you are still twiddling your thumbs in Texas!!

GET OUT OF THAT WOMB... +1.5 billion evil Muslim people are amassing in every country in middle-earth awaiting for your demise and your compatriots'! Fight them! Killll them ......*foaming at the mouth ... then something else*

^ Did that sound like a story your dad read to you before he tucked you into bed when you were being programmed / raised?

Let me see you take some action and prove yourself a MAN and not all talk for once in your life!

Get out of your enclosure where you are sheltered by your kind, grow a couple maybe three, go enlist in the army fight against these "Enemies..." you have proclaimed as being so...cause another Abu-Ghraib? (they still didn't find out that they are the enemy BTW, which is good because then you can take them by surprise!)

Start a movement, rally the people...attack some "enemies" here?.... just do something for Christ's sake I rather be shot in the face than hear the vaporware of callows alike you. You talk you talk... you talk about the enemies and BS along those lines and put a dozen bumper stickers on your cow haller, yet you take no action while being aware of the enemies that just might be living across the street from you, what a coward I say.
If I knew of enemies of any of my countries willing to do harm to anyone I would spare no one who would stand in my way.
But be relieved Nebor, that you will be going nowhere, you will be doing nothing, you will just sit in your corner delirious.

Prove me wrong Nebor do something worth noting.

My best method of fighting that war is sending money to the people on the front lines, who aren't afraid to do what needs to be done. I give money twice a year to the US representatives of the modern Kach. :thumbsup:

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: chucky2

Yes, it's the American's...always us Americans... :roll: In 50 years when China is the big boy on the block, and we're just fighting to stay out or recession/inflation, who are Muslims going to blame then for their state (dont' self delude now here...it'll be the same state their in now, just more radical)? Still the US? I'm just wondering when we get off the Who I can blame except myself list...

When did I say the mulsims are not too blame? They are but the policies made by the sole world superpower have given birth to a sense of muslim "nationalism." The muslims were doing well enough until world war 1 when France and the UK got too greedy. It's too bad that the muslims since then have never been able to put up an organized resistance. And have then reverted to street violence. Today; it seems like most great muslim politicians are dead. We are all a victim of greed and corruption.

You would be a fool if were to say America doesn't interfere in the politics of muslim countries - especially those with oil. Remember the rise of Saddam and the US sponsored Iran - Iraq war? But when Saddam stopped listening; he was removed from power. Even in Pakistan; if the people really got their will and stopped listening to America you would bomb us "back to the stoneage." But I guess that's your version of freedom - Freedom of the select few to do whatever they feel is right. And yes with its resources America has let the world down; being a superpower comes responsibility. Instead of saving millions in Africa they imposed sanctions, started 2 illegal wars; and threatened others with more. The only muslim country not ruled by America is Iran which has been deemed "evil" by Bush and accepted blindly by the public. The rest are victims of their own greed fueled by America. Where is muslim unity? I'd rather have my soul than body. We seemed to have lost our soul and having our body been slowly eaten by the worm of capitalism.

Well TGB, you just basically answered your own question here. Just in case you missed it, let me spell it out for you: When "debating" with radical Islam, there is no debate. In recent news, we've got the woman raped in SA getting jail time and lashes (The whole rest of the world did a big WTF?!?! on that one btw), but I'm sure we'd get the But it's SA excuse. So then we've got the teacher in Sudan getting jail time and her life endangered for giving her kids the horrific freedom to name a toy bear what they want. You see how well reason and "debate" worked there? What? It didn't? Hmmm...yes...."debate"....

That's your problem. First you think that you are right (which I agree with you on this particular case) and you think that alone is enough to commit greater crimes (which often involve illegal wars). How about you start debating with more moderate scholars issues like for eg the banning of head scarves in France for a start? Stupid laws on your side are equally detrimental to western-muslim relations.

You compare the US system of government to Nazism????? Holy F, I cannot believe you just said that... :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:

No. I said that the American attitude towards the spread of the US system of government is like the Nazi belief of the spread of theirs. Both believe that their forms of government are superior to all others and the spread of their ideology is a God given right. Just listen to how many times Bush has justified his illegal wars an policies on one word - freedom. What right does he have to spread freedom using guns and bombs? Perhaps instead of forcing us into this system you should discuss which is actually a better system.

Just to set the record straight: The US doesn't see it's style of government superior to Islam, we see it superior to brutal dictators and radical leaders who hear radical Islam in their head and/or are influenced by hardliner radicals. Call us crazy, but last I checked, we don't give teachers jailtime here for letting classes name their toys Jesus.

Perhaps you don't... But Bush does. He seems to think that the ultimate goal of humanity is "freedom" and that just because he thinks he does gives him the right to kill innocent civilians in illegal wars. You want totally eliminate the muslim style of government and yet you way you don't believe your's is superior? :roll: ... The problem is crazy officials; not crazy law. I can give countless example of stupid laws on your side as well; like the ban on scarf wearing. If that's not an attack on muslims, what is it?

I'll agree that folks in the ME are in the condition they're in because of their "Leaders" own greed...yet, nothing changes (unless the US takes steps to induce change, but then we're labeled Nazi's/Invaders/Oppressors/WhateverotherBSterm. In fact, it seems as if the radical position only grows stronger, instead of weaker, despite US involvement.

That's because in the guise of liberation the US with itself brings all vices associated with it. The American version of freedom is a vice in my book. Look at the moral state of America and compare it with more conservative countries.

What style of rule is superior should be debated in a more civilized manner rather than having scores settled by using force and influence. The practical application of democracy is a hoax with most power and policies being dictated by money rather than intellect.

The practical application of democracy (which we're not really) has been perverted here in the West be large corporations and greedy F'ing politicians...Iraq would do well to learn from that instead of killing each other, but oh well, It's the US's fault, so another mass grave is on us... :roll:

Chuck

Yes Freedom - the freedom to kill. Thank God the US still considers killing a vice.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: piasabird
If you do not listen to this message you will be in danger of ignoring a group of people that want to kill all non-muslims.

And if they listen to people like you they are in danger of supporting a group that wants to kill Islam itself.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: piasabird
If you do not listen to this message you will be in danger of ignoring a group of people that want to kill all non-muslims.

And if they listen to people like you they are in danger of supporting a group that wants to kill Islam itself.

If it's any consolation, I don't have a problem with the vast majority of Arabian\Persian\Pakistani people. It's the muslims that are the problem. The secular ones I've met, we get along great, they're good people. So if Islam as a religion would just die, then none of it's followers would have to, and we could end this silly little holy war.

The thing about religion is, a lot of people are willing to die for it.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: piasabird
If you do not listen to this message you will be in danger of ignoring a group of people that want to kill all non-muslims.

And if they listen to people like you they are in danger of supporting a group that wants to kill Islam itself.

If it's any consolation, I don't have a problem with the vast majority of Arabian\Persian\Pakistani people. It's the muslims that are the problem. The secular ones I've met, we get along great, they're good people. So if Islam as a religion would just die, then none of it's followers would have to, and we could end this silly little holy war.

The thing about religion is, a lot of people are willing to die for it.

Yes you will have to kill me before you can say you have "defeated Islam"

 

[Ozoned]

Islam destroys the creative capacity of people, and in turn the greatness that they could have achieved.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: Ozoned
Islam destroys the creative capacity of people, and in turn the greatness that they could have achieved.

Stupidest thing I have heard. Or perhaps it's because the darkness that your schools cover you with. Many of the greatest minds in literature, art, architecture were muslims. I Can't believe how Americans call themselves educated when some of them eat what their media feeds them and throw a blind eye towards everything else.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Ozoned
Islam destroys the creative capacity of people, and in turn the greatness that they could have achieved.

Stupidest thing I have heard. Or perhaps it's because the darkness that your schools cover you with. Many of the greatest minds in literature, art, architecture were muslims. I Can't believe how Americans call themselves educated when some of them eat what their media feeds them and throw a blind eye towards everything else.

Perhaps if Muhammed could have read, he would have done it,,,,,,,different.

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: Ozoned
Islam destroys the creative capacity of people, and in turn the greatness that they could have achieved.

What a stupid statement. You seem to be jealous of the Prophet Muhammed, aren't you? Maybe you can go to Israel and get the Jerusalem Syndrome. Then you can pretend you're him (or any other prophet).

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: Ozoned
Islam destroys the creative capacity of people, and in turn the greatness that they could have achieved.

What a stupid statement. You seem to be jealous of the Prophet Muhammed, aren't you? Maybe you can go to Israel and get the Jerusalem Syndrome. Then you can pretend you're him (or any other prophet).

No, actually, I have never had the urge to be a Child Molestor

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Ozoned
Islam destroys the creative capacity of people, and in turn the greatness that they could have achieved.

Stupidest thing I have heard. Or perhaps it's because the darkness that your schools cover you with. Many of the greatest minds in literature, art, architecture were muslims. I Can't believe how Americans call themselves educated when some of them eat what their media feeds them and throw a blind eye towards everything else.

Perhaps if Muhammed could have read, he would have done it,,,,,,,different.

Makes no sense what you're about. You're full of hatred and if the world needs to get rid of anyone it is people like you. You aren't much different from the terrorists who hate Americans just for the sake of hating - except that they put their money where their mouth is. I'm sure if you were called up to fight you would piss in your pants.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: Ozoned
Islam destroys the creative capacity of people, and in turn the greatness that they could have achieved.

What a stupid statement. You seem to be jealous of the Prophet Muhammed, aren't you? Maybe you can go to Israel and get the Jerusalem Syndrome. Then you can pretend you're him (or any other prophet).

No, actually, I have never had the urge to be a Child Molestor

but you wouldn't mind having multiple sex partners at once. Right :roll:

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Ozoned
Islam destroys the creative capacity of people, and in turn the greatness that they could have achieved.

Stupidest thing I have heard. Or perhaps it's because the darkness that your schools cover you with. Many of the greatest minds in literature, art, architecture were muslims. I Can't believe how Americans call themselves educated when some of them eat what their media feeds them and throw a blind eye towards everything else.

Perhaps if Muhammed could have read, he would have done it,,,,,,,different.

Makes no sense what you're about. You're full of hatred and if the world needs to get rid of anyone it is people like you. You aren't much different from the terrorists who hate Americans just for the sake of hating - except that they put their money where their mouth is. I'm sure if you were called up to fight you would piss in your pants.

I dislike the religion of Islam for the same reason that the religion of Islam dislikes me as a person. We don't have mutual interests.