The Time To Get Off Of Facebook Is Now.

[alkemyst]

i view the net, the same as walking outside my house. i'm in public so i know i'm being watched from a neighbor, city camera..something. my info is in a wallet secured by me. somebody somewhere can see where i go.

When i go online, i use similar security as far as my awareness that i'm not alone goes...that being there is no real privacy, i don't consider going to Walmart.com to be any more private and anonymous than when i visit the store.
but the privacy nuts view the Net is the same as their bedroom or something...thats...stu...pid

You must be teh poor.

I move big chunks of cash across the internet each month. Doing the same thing in public would be very problematic.

 

[HeXen]

You must be teh poor.

I move big chunks of cash across the internet each month. Doing the same thing in public would be very problematic.

you really think moving your chunks of cash via the internet is any more private and secure than having it in your pocket and taking it to the bank?
lol
you can get mugged the same either way. but i was saying that the internet is a public place...just like the real world, it is not expected to be the privacy you expect from your bedroom.
i move cash both ways btw. my chances of being "mugged" so to speak can happen in either instance. except over the net, you may not realize it happens right when it does. from malwares to false bank login sites...it happens

 

[erikistired]

you really think moving your chunks of cash via the internet is any more private and secure than having it in your pocket and taking it to the bank?
lol
you can get mugged the same either way. but i was saying that the internet is a public place...just like the real world, it is not expected to be the privacy you expect from your bedroom

the only thing he's moving large chunks of over the internet is porn.

 

[Muse]

There really isn't anything personal on my facebook that any spammer could use to do anything.

Yeah, I never go there. I have an account and it's really just because I need one if I want to do anything there, IIRC, if I get a link to someone's page, stuff like that. I doubt that there's anything there that will get me in trouble. People friend me, cool, I ignore those emails.

 

[Perknose]

I always thought that looked more like the guy was praying with his hands up his ass. :biggrin:

When people get behind in dark times, they seek Jesus wherever they can. :biggrin:

 

[DivideBYZero]

Uh-huh, and while you're at it, try identifying your wonderful, all knowing sources of information sources for us, and try asking them about the specific nature of what those offending U.S. based sources are doing. :whiste:

Clue -- It's probably NOT cyber-warefare against the U.S.

At this point, you're blowing smoke out of your ass, trying to hide the fact that you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground.

"Don't attack the point, attack the poster" - The first resort of the weak.

Dude, you've been around too long to resort to these sort of personal insults, right? I'm obviously wrong, you'll step as low as you need to go. :whiste:

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

This is a greater concern to me.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jan/08/wikileaks-calls-google-facebook-us-subpoenas

What you search, what you read, what you say- all kept for those who might use it against you.

People assume some privacy, but in fact there is no such thing. When we disposed of mail in favor of email we handed over the keys to our private lives.

 

[DivideBYZero]

This is a greater concern to me.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jan/08/wikileaks-calls-google-facebook-us-subpoenas

What you search, what you read, what you say- all kept for those who might use it against you.

People assume some privacy, but in fact there is no such thing. When we disposed of mail in favor of email we handed over the keys to our private lives.

Is there some way we can blame the Russians for that?

 

[dmcowen674]

This is a greater concern to me.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jan/08/wikileaks-calls-google-facebook-us-subpoenas

What you search, what you read, what you say- all kept for those who might use it against you.

People assume some privacy, but in fact there is no such thing. When we disposed of mail in favor of email we handed over the keys to our private lives.

You think that is bad, look at what the Messiah is going to do:


http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20027800-281.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20

Obama to hand Commerce Dept. authority over cybersecurity ID

1-7-2011 President Obama is planning to hand the U.S. Commerce Department authority over a forthcoming cybersecurity effort to create an Internet ID for Americans

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It's "the absolute perfect spot in the U.S. government" to centralize efforts toward creating an "identity ecosystem" for the Internet, White House Cybersecurity Coordinator Howard Schmidt said.

One of the NSA's missions is, of course, information assurance. But its normally lustrous star in the political firmament has dimmed a bit due to Wikileaks-related revelations.

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This will make the Wiki-leaks fiasco look like changing a baby diaper
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[DivideBYZero]

Oh god, now Dave want's this to be a P&N thread.



I INVOKE GODWIN'S LAW.


Nazis.

 

[zinfamous]

Is there some way we can blame the Russians for that?

Dude, I'm right on it. Just give me an hour or two...

 

[DivideBYZero]

Dude, I'm right on it. Just give me an hour or two...

:thumbsup: :biggrin:

 

[Muse]

Is there some way we can blame the Russians for that?

The Russians have their own problems. Snooping into your private life isn't so important to them. IMO.

 

[yllus]

Well, at least one noted figure agrees with Harvey:

Interview: 'Authoritarian Governments Have Immensely Benefited From The Web,' Author Says

RFE/RL: One of your chapters is called "Why The KGB Wants You To Join Facebook." Why does the KGB want us to join Facebook?

Morozov: Part of the argument I'm making in the book is that authoritarian governments have immensely benefited from the web, and I point to three features. One of them is propaganda; one of them is new ways of censorship; and one of them is increased surveillance, more sophisticated surveillance.

The reason why the KGB wants you to join Facebook is because it allows them to, first of all, learn more about you from afar. I mean, they don't have to come and interrogate you, and obviously you disclose quite a bit. It allows them to identify certain social graphs and social connections between activists. Many of these relationships are now self-disclosed by activists, by joining various groups. You can actually go and see which causes are more popular than others.
The reason why the KGB wants you to join Facebook is because it allows them to, first of all, learn more about you from afar.

But also, it is possible to start identifying trends on the macro level. You can actually go and, using data posted to social-media sites (not just Facebook -- I'm talking here more broadly about blogs and about tweets), you can actually start identifying which way social sentiment in a country is going. And that way you may get ahead of real developments.

If the Tunisian government had a sophisticated system of data-mining and analyzing everything that is happening in the country on social media, I bet they would have been much better prepared for what followed. Much of that outrage has been growing on Facebook early on and it was possible to go and check how angry people really were.

And I think many of these tools have already been developed by Western companies mostly, to do brand analysis. So there are a lot of interesting tools already to track consumer sentiment toward goods, and they can very easily be redeployed to study political sentiment. So this is one of the things which I think drives interest from governments in social media.

And not just authoritarian countries, but in the West as well. We have something called In-Q-Tel, which is the venture fund of the CIA, which has been investing in such social-media tracking and monitoring tools for several years now. It is definitely something that is attractive to all governments -- not just authoritarian ones.

 

[DrPizza]

So your theory is that everyone is Russia is a spammer?

Assuming every person in Russia has signed up here only 3 times, then yes. If some people signed up 8 or 10 times each, then they've made up for the few who aren't spammers here.

 

[WelshBloke]

From actually being on facebook for 5+ years, I have never ever encountered an instance where this was an issue.

It's not like someone can go randomly search for Zinfamous and find every single post that mentions Zinfamous. I'd argue that if someone found your ATOT handle that your posting history on ATOT is way more damaging than shit you can find on facebook.


This is the internet. Basic lesson of the internet is don't post shit you don't want floating around forever. Your downfall can be from ATOT, Facebook, Twitter, someone's blog...

I'm not looking to change your mind or anything, I just find this whole thing ridiculously blown out of proportion.

What would be interesting is if ATOT put one of those little facebook buttons on the bottom of the page. Then everything you post would be linked to your face book account (if you used the same browser for ATOT and Facebook), whether you clicked the button or not.

Those buttons are turning up in the most incongruous of places, I think I remember one on an NHS health website.

 

[potoba]

FB is, in principle, blocked in the Nam

 

[Capt Caveman]

Well, at least one noted figure agrees with Harvey:

Interview: 'Authoritarian Governments Have Immensely Benefited From The Web,' Author Says

Replace KGB with any country, group, etc...