The supplement thread

[bommy261]

PS - Do you always answer a question with a question?

Do you think that is the type of person i am?

 

[purbeast0]

dunno if this has been stated in this thread but since i just placed an order, i figured i'd let everyone who doesn't know already, know about a great online store to buy stuff from.

http://www.dpsnutrition.net

I've probably spent over $3k there in the past few years. 90% of the time they ship same day, and they are located in PA and I'm in MD, so the $5 UPS ground shipping gets to me the following day they ship it.

their prices are very good, great customer service, and you will receive free shirts or hats or other stuff if you order over $100 of stuff in one order.

 

[The Sauce]

dunno if this has been stated in this thread but since i just placed an order, i figured i'd let everyone who doesn't know already, know about a great online store to buy stuff from.

http://www.dpsnutrition.net

I've probably spent over $3k there in the past few years. 90% of the time they ship same day, and they are located in PA and I'm in MD, so the $5 UPS ground shipping gets to me the following day they ship it.

their prices are very good, great customer service, and you will receive free shirts or hats or other stuff if you order over $100 of stuff in one order.

I've tried DPS before but thought that they were pricey. I have been using Supplement Whorehouse www.supplementwarehouse.com, but they are slow and shipping is pricey, and their website sucks ass. I did love their price-matching feature, though. My new fav is Prosource.net. They seem to have everything and ship quickly and cheaply.

 

[Eric62]

OK Doctor Sauce, as a physician I'm sure you have access to Pharmacotherapy, issue 2005;25:762-764.
I haven't read the article (as I'm a medical outsider), but it is used as a reference for Lone atrial fibrillation associated with creatine monohydrate supplementation.

 

[M0oG0oGaiPan]

OK Doctor Sauce, as a physician I'm sure you have access to Pharmacotherapy, issue 2005;25:762-764.
I haven't read the article (as I'm a medical outsider), but it is used as a reference for Lone atrial fibrillation associated with creatine monohydrate supplementation.

You can read it here: http://www.atypon-link.com/PPI/doi/...80?<b></b><b></b>cookieSet=1&journalCode=phco

I did an advanced search on google scholar.
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?a...hi=2006&as_sdt=1.&as_sdtp=on&as_sdts=21&hl=en

 

[Eric62]

You can read it here: http://www.atypon-link.com/PPI/doi/...80?<b></b><b></b>cookieSet=1&journalCode=phco

I did an advanced search on google scholar.
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?a...hi=2006&as_sdt=1.&as_sdtp=on&as_sdts=21&hl=en

You Sir are fucking good
I'll have to look further into this google scholar.
Thank you. I appreciate people that show me something interesting and educational.

So the article basically says that despite only anecdotal reports, there is a connection between creatine and Atrial Fibrilation.

For those that live in a test tube this article will be meaningless.
For those who live in the real world, IMO you should use the same caution with creatine that you would with ephedrine, alcohol, anti-histamines, AAS, bronchodilators, ect. All can offer benefits, but all can cause adverse effects as well...

 

[Whisper]

You Sir are fucking good
I'll have to look further into this google scholar.
Thank you. I appreciate people that show me something interesting and educational.

So the article basically says that despite only anecdotal reports, there is a connection between creatine and Atrial Fibrilation.

For those that live in a test tube this article will be meaningless.
For those who live in the real world, IMO you should use the same caution with creatine that you would with ephedrine, alcohol, anti-histamines, AAS, bronchodilators, ect. All can offer benefits, but all can cause adverse effects as well...

Always use caution with pretty much anything you put in your body. That being the case, the article is, as you've said, a case report and recap of a series of anecdotal reports. There are no experimental controls imposed, and thus, there is as likely a chance as not that extraneous variables contributed to the health problems (in this case, lone atrial fibrillation).

I'm definitely not saying creatine couldn't/doesn't cause health problems. Just that case studies are seen as completely exploratory for a reason--they provide a great starting point for future research in the area.

 

[alkemyst]

You Sir are fucking good
I'll have to look further into this google scholar.
Thank you. I appreciate people that show me something interesting and educational.

So the article basically says that despite only anecdotal reports, there is a connection between creatine and Atrial Fibrilation.

For those that live in a test tube this article will be meaningless.
For those who live in the real world, IMO you should use the same caution with creatine that you would with ephedrine, alcohol, anti-histamines, AAS, bronchodilators, ect. All can offer benefits, but all can cause adverse effects as well...

In other words, be careful out there kids...water can kill you too.

 

[purbeast0]

I've tried DPS before but thought that they were pricey. I have been using Supplement Whorehouse www.supplementwarehouse.com, but they are slow and shipping is pricey, and their website sucks ass. I did love their price-matching feature, though. My new fav is Prosource.net. They seem to have everything and ship quickly and cheaply.

everything on that site that I order costs $5 - $10 more than it does on dpsnutrition.

 

[BlackTigers]

You Sir are fucking good
I'll have to look further into this google scholar.
Thank you. I appreciate people that show me something interesting and educational.

So the article basically says that despite only anecdotal reports, there is a connection between creatine and Atrial Fibrilation.

For those that live in a test tube this article will be meaningless.
For those who live in the real world, IMO you should use the same caution with creatine that you would with ephedrine, alcohol, anti-histamines, AAS, bronchodilators, ect. All can offer benefits, but all can cause adverse effects as well...

what happens if you take ephedrine,creatine, anti-histamines, a bronchio-dialator, and drink all in the same day?

im dead.

 

[The Sauce]

OK Doctor Sauce, as a physician I'm sure you have access to Pharmacotherapy, issue 2005;25:762-764.
I haven't read the article (as I'm a medical outsider), but it is used as a reference for Lone atrial fibrillation associated with creatine monohydrate supplementation.

Nice find. I'll try to give it a full read. This would be useful to me since I get a lot of ectopy as well (but no a. fib yet).

I read the abstract in the link. It reminds me of the case report about creatine causing kidney failure. There was a similar case report of one young person who presented in kidney failure that was thought to be caused by creatine. It turned out that he was on like 24 supplements in total and so they could not definitively attribute it to the creatine, but the authors tried to anyway... Hopefully the full article lists his entire supplement regimen or any other confounding variables. Even so, it is hard to prove causality based on a case report. I'll get around to it as soon as I can.

 

[crt1530]

everything on that site that I order costs $5 - $10 more than it does on dpsnutrition.

The Sauce probably has a financial interest in that site. If you want brand name supplements, you really should order from Bodybuilding.com. They will price match to any site and have the fastest shipping of any place I've bought from. If you want supplements without marketing mark-up, go to TrueProtein and feel free to use my kick-back discount code.

 

[The Sauce]

what happens if you take ephedrine,creatine, anti-histamines, a bronchio-dialator, and drink all in the same day?

im dead.

Burst into flames, I'd guess.

 

[The Sauce]

everything on that site that I order costs $5 - $10 more than it does on dpsnutrition.

Thanks for the tip. Haven't checked them in a while. I'll be sure to take another look when my next order comes up.

 

[The Sauce]

The Sauce probably has a financial interest in that site. If you want brand name supplements, you really should order from Bodybuilding.com. They will price match to any site and have the fastest shipping of any place I've bought from. If you want supplements without marketing mark-up, go to TrueProtein and feel free to use my kick-back discount code.

CRT - I love you. And I am not ashamed to let everyone here know it...socks pulled all the way up and everything I wish you only the best, brother lifter. If I tried to deadlift 600# my L3-4 disk would eject from my spine at 80mph.

PS - Everyone, if you haven't tried Trueprotein.com, I have it from a reliable source that it is freakin awesome. CRT takes it and he deadlifts more than my whole family.

 

[skace]

I need to buy more protein, so I get side tracked on "pre-workout" supplements, what are your guys thoughts on products like this:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/usp/jacked.html
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/gn/super.html

I've never taken anything like creatine.

 

[alkemyst]

I need to buy more protein, so I get side tracked on "pre-workout" supplements, what are your guys thoughts on products like this:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/usp/jacked.html
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/gn/super.html

I've never taken anything like creatine.

What are you looking to accomplish?

I don't have experience with those two, but some pre-workout drinks are pretty damn good for energy.

I like creatine as well, it's cheap and effective.

 

[skace]

Not really sure what I'm looking to accomplish, I work out at night and could use the extra energy. Right now I don't even drink caffeine at all so that could be an issue also. I suppose I'm just kind of curious who uses pre-workout type drinks of those nature and whether they really work. Or would I be better off just getting some pure creatine and trying that out. I suppose I'm more concerned that my lack of supplements could be slowing my progress if these are very effective.

 

[Eric62]

I started using Jacked 3D about a month ago. Presently I mix 1 scoop in with 50 grams vanilla whey, 8oz (1/2 can) Monster Java tea, and 8oz NOS. I start sipping on it 1 hour pre-workout.
I like the taste and boost of this combination...

 

[Lamont Burns]

I need to buy more protein, so I get side tracked on "pre-workout" supplements, what are your guys thoughts on products like this:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/usp/jacked.html
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/gn/super.html

I've never taken anything like creatine.

creatine and those 2 products are miles apart. as far as jacked goes, you said you workout at night? jacked is not for you. caffeine and 1, 3 dimeth together are powerful and will keep you awake. also many people crash hard from 1, 3.

as far as superpump goes, they call it superdump for a reason... but that's fixed supposedly. for the money it's a waste. you can buy caffeine pills for shitload less if that's what you're looking for and buy bulk 1,3 caps as well.

you are not compromising anything regarding workout potential by NOT using these products.

try creatine mono, take a fish oil and perhaps vit d3. add to this slowwwwwwly. you want to boost your workout, eat a banana and some oatmeal mixed with whey.

 

[Lamont Burns]

NOS! Human horsepower. I drink this once a year in gross quantities for a long binge golf/drink weekend in north Wisconsin. We drink it like hooligans, no idea if it works.

 

[alkemyst]

Not really sure what I'm looking to accomplish, I work out at night and could use the extra energy. Right now I don't even drink caffeine at all so that could be an issue also. I suppose I'm just kind of curious who uses pre-workout type drinks of those nature and whether they really work. Or would I be better off just getting some pure creatine and trying that out. I suppose I'm more concerned that my lack of supplements could be slowing my progress if these are very effective.

Well creatine will not give you 'energy'. It helps definitely with a nice pump and I find I lift better.

It's a whole can of worms here talking supplements. I believe in them, but like anything moderation is the key.

I am currently on an Ephedrine / Caffeine / EGCg / Aspirin stack. (24mg/200mg/400mg/81mg). Some said the aspirin is too risky, but I need to be on NSAIDS anyway right now so it's not really adding to it.

I take this three times a day and I am good to go at 6am or earlier workouts.

I make sure I get some whey and oatmeal in, along with creatine prior to my workout (30-60mins). Post workout I have a scoop of maltodextrose, a scoop of casein, and a scoop of whey. To this I also add some more creatine and 10g of glutamine.

A balanced B complex and some B6 I also take in the morning.

I can't say I am ever lacking energy until I am ready for bed.

I tried some of the NO products and they were good, but many of them are pretty damn expensive. ECA is dirt cheap.

I wouldn't stay on it more than 3-4 months though.

 

[skace]

Alright interesting, thanks. I'll try straight creatine then.

what's maltodextrose heh.

 

[skace]

Ok how about a different question, do any of you guys put anything weird in your shakes/smoothies besides protein. Like Acai or any of that shit?

 

[Lamont Burns]

Acia is hype, a strong antioxidant yes but nothing worth what people market and price it as.

When I was gaining weight, I would put a banana, oats, protein, whole milk, hershey's syrup and perhaps a scoop of ice cream in a shake. It's a shit ton of calories, if you need them that is.

Malto is a quick digesting carb. Some people believe it's essential post WO, some don't. There's theories about insulin spikes and other bullshit PWO that is essential.

Don't bother with glutamine, you'd have to mainline it to see any benefits. If you want to educate yourself read articles written by Alan Aragon.