The soft left summed up in under four minutes.

[J.Wilkins]

Justifying religion right here.

Does it need to be justified? It's what rules you nation though superstition.

And you wonder why we giggle when your leader speaks... It's always in accordance to gods will with every leader you have...

If you don't get it, the world has viewed you as an unruly kindergarterner class for the last 200 years and now you have gone to kindergartners on crack.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Did I stutter?

You misquoted me. We were having such a polite exchange. I thought you were better than that.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Amazingly dumb response. You could have dealt with the abstraction, but instead you decided to stick your head firmly up your own ass.

im sorry basic social skills evade you.

 

[jackstar7]

Does it need to be justified? It's what rules you nation though superstition.

And you wonder why we giggle when your leader speaks... It's always in accordance to gods will with every leader you have...

If you don't get it, the world has viewed you as an unruly kindergarterner class for the last 200 years and now you have gone to kindergartners on crack.

Some folks can't handle the chaos that is life. It's a shame and weird that so many congregated here, but we're not all bad.

 

[Thebobo]

So then how do you address the empirical research that shows your view is incorrect and many groups have it worse than white males?

Again, we both know you're going to ignore the research because it tells you things you don't want to hear, I just want to see the specific lies you tell yourself to avoid these uncomfortable facts.

You do realize you do this as well.

 

[SlowSpyder]

So now you're trying to redefine racism. Following is a widely accepted definition of racism. "Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior." I don't see any way affirmative action in any way fits within that definition.

The VERY FIRST WORD (and second word!) in the sentence fits. With affirmative action some people are preferred over other people simply for the color of their skin or gender. That is, one demographic is being prejudged as a worse option and discriminated against for no other reason than their race. Trying to fix racism with racism is not the answer.

 

[fskimospy]

You do realize you do this as well.

By all means provide me with an example then!

 

[fskimospy]

The VERY FIRST WORD (and second word!) in the sentence fits. With affirmative action some people are preferred over other people simply for the color of their skin or gender. That is, one demographic is being prejudged as a worse option and discriminated against for no other reason than their race. Trying to fix racism with racism is not the answer.

The entire definition has to fit. You know how dictionaries work, right?

 

[SlowSpyder]

The entire definition has to fit. You know how dictionaries work, right?

The entire definition fits like a glove. One group is being treated less well and not equally simply because of skin color / gender. That's racism.

 

[woolfe9998]

The entire definition fits like a glove.

The element of belief in racial superiority isn't present with affirmative action. You appear to be pretending that it isn't part of the definition. Don't bother. We can all read.

 

[Thebobo]

By all means provide me with an example then!

Ops wrong reply, for some insane reason I thought it was a Slow post.

 

[Jhhnn]

Don't hate because I'm good at what I do. Got my four to-dos done today, off my white board. Gotta run though, team meeting in two minutes.

BTW, you spend a lot of time here, all day in fact... just sayin

I'm retired & have been for nearly 4 years. I wouldn't have been comfortable frittering away my working hours posting on a forum when I was being paid to, uhh, you know, actually work. Being a straight white male never hurt me, either, certainly not in our society. I certainly never felt sorry for myself on account of it.

 

[SlowSpyder]

The element of belief in racial superiority isn't present with affirmative action. You appear to be pretending that it isn't part of the definition. Don't bother. We can all read.

You guys can pretend all you want, get hung up in semantics or "gotcahas". The simple fact of it is one demographic is given an upper hand while another suffers for it. If you don't think this is racism, then imagine if this was openly and systematically done to help white males get jobs and hire less minorities. You better believe it'd be called racism. You guys live in a leftist fantasy land.

 

[mect]

The entire definition fits like a glove. One group is being treated less well and not equally simply because of skin color / gender. That's racism.

Poacher: one who kills or takes wild animals (such as game or fish) illegally.

See, hunting animals is poaching. Fits the definition perfectly

 

[SlowSpyder]

Poacher: one who kills or takes wild animals (such as game or fish) illegally.

See, hunting animals is poaching. Fits the definition perfectly

There is a distinction there, an important one. There is not one in affirmative action, its just racism.

 

[mect]

You guys can pretend all you want, get hung up in semantics or "gotcahas". The simple fact of it is one demographic is given an upper hand while another suffers for it. If you don't think this is racism, then imagine if this was openly and systematically done to help white males get jobs and hire less minorities. You better believe it'd be called racism. You guys live in a leftist fantasy land.

So including the entirety of a definition is now semantics and gotchas. If whites were systematically oppressed in society such that they lagged behind other demographics in terms of employment and educational attainment, and programs were enacted to try to bridge the gap, of course it wouldn't be considered racism.

 

[fskimospy]

There is a distinction there, an important one. There is not one in affirmative action, its just racism.

You heard it here first guys, the belief in racial superiority is not an important part of the definition of racism.

Lolwut.

 

[SlowSpyder]

You heard it here first guys, the belief in racial superiority is not an important part of the definition of racism.

Lolwut.

As I said, "You guys can pretend all you want, get hung up in semantics or "gotcahas". The simple fact of it is one demographic is given an upper hand while another suffers for it. If you don't think this is racism, then imagine if this was openly and systematically done to help white males get jobs and hire less minorities. You better believe it'd be called racism. You guys live in a leftist fantasy land."

 

[fskimospy]

As I said, "You guys can pretend all you want, get hung up in semantics or "gotcahas". The simple fact of it is one demographic is given an upper hand while another suffers for it. If you don't think this is racism, then imagine if this was openly and systematically done to help white males get jobs and hire less minorities. You better believe it'd be called racism. You guys live in a leftist fantasy land."

As for the person living in a fantasy land I’m going to go with the one who thinks a belief in racial superiority isn’t an important part of the definition of racism.

 

[woolfe9998]

You guys can pretend all you want, get hung up in semantics or "gotcahas". The simple fact of it is one demographic is given an upper hand while another suffers for it. If you don't think this is racism, then imagine if this was openly and systematically done to help white males get jobs and hire less minorities. You better believe it'd be called racism. You guys live in a leftist fantasy land.

You just shifted the goal posts. We were talking about whether affirmative action met the dictionary definition of racism. You tried to claim it did, when clearly it did not. Now you're blustering about us "arguing semantics."

OK, so let's not argue dictionary definitions and cut through the semantic BS. The reason affirmative action isn't racism is because it isn't motivated by racial animus. It's intent is not to harm white people, but to protect minorities from the racism which has historically directed at them. Equating something meant to counter racism with racism itself is exactly what Trump was doing when he tried to equate the anti-racist protesters with the Neo-Nazis in Charlottesville. I'll give you one thing - it makes sense you're a Trump voter, because you think exactly like he does.

 

[fskimospy]

You just shifted the goal posts. We were talking about whether affirmative action met the dictionary definition of racism. You tried to claim it did, when clearly it did not. Now you're blustering about us "arguing semantics."

OK, so let's not argue dictionary definitions and cut through the semantic BS. The reason affirmative action isn't racism is because it isn't motivated by racial animus. It's intent is not to harm white people, but to protect minorities from the racism which has historically directed at them. Equating something meant to counter racism with racism itself is exactly what Trump was doing when he tried to equate the anti-racist protesters with the Neo-Nazis in Charlottesville. I'll give you one thing - it makes sense you're a Trump voter, because you think exactly like he does.

You may have missed this but he claims he didn’t vote for Trump and was a Clinton supporter until the DNC emails came out.

Yes, this sounds exactly as plausible to me as it does to you. The gun enthusiast who thinks white people are the true victims of racism supported Clinton.

 

[HTFOff]

You just shifted the goal posts. We were talking about whether affirmative action met the dictionary definition of racism. You tried to claim it did, when clearly it did not. Now you're blustering about us "arguing semantics."

OK, so let's not argue dictionary definitions and cut through the semantic BS. The reason affirmative action isn't racism is because it isn't motivated by racial animus. It's intent is not to harm white people, but to protect minorities from the racism which has historically directed at them. Equating something meant to counter racism with racism itself is exactly what Trump was doing when he tried to equate the anti-racist protesters with the Neo-Nazis in Charlottesville. I'll give you one thing - it makes sense you're a Trump voter, because you think exactly like he does.

It's ok to be white.

 

[woolfe9998]

You may have missed this but he claims he didn’t vote for Trump and was a Clinton supporter until the DNC emails came out.

Yes, this sounds exactly as plausible to me as it does to you. The gun enthusiast who thinks white people are the true victims of racism supported Clinton.

LOL I guest I missed that he made this claim. Well then that's something else he shares with Trump - he lies.

 

[Jaskalas]

All my 'precious stats' are doing is telling you what is. What you want to do with that information is up to you.

You're apparently hiding behind that information to justify discrimination. Even though it is apples to oranges for what actually matters to those who are harmed by such policy. As I stated, too many people are left behind in America, no one should have their noses rubbed in it. We should be seen as being there FOR them, not against them.

Why you purposefully use that information to MAKE enemies I don't understand.

 

[SlowSpyder]

As for the person living in a fantasy land I’m going to go with the one who thinks a belief in racial superiority isn’t an important part of the definition of racism.

Hypothetically, if you went up to 10 random minorities and told them that you truly believe that neither of you are superior because of your race, but, there is this job opening you both want and you are both equally qualified for. Thing is, you will get the job because you're white and they will not get the job because they're black, Latino, Native American, etc. etc., do you honestly believe those people wouldn't think that isn't racist? That is affirmative action. You can cling to a dictionary definition like a Christian to marriage all you want, but you are wrong, plainly wrong.