The single most important thing GOP wants to achieve...

[IGBT]

all the liberals want to do is null the constitution and bill of rights and turn the country over to the UN. Do it through judicial activism and voodoo environmentalism to "save the planet". Get their carbon-CON scam running to fund endless eco-KOOK hoax agenda.

 

[Craig234]

all the liberals want to do is null the constitution and bill of rights and turn the country over to the UN. Do it through judicial activism and voodoo environmentalism to "save the planet". Get their carbon-CON scam running to fund endless eco-KOOK hoax agenda.

95% of the time opponents here state liberals' positions, it's wrong or lies. I can't remember the other 5%.

 

[BoomerD]

But making Obama a one-termer is the best way to achieve ALL those things!

Really? Then why didn't the Republicans do ANY of that during the 6 years they held the Presidency, the Senate, and the House?

 

[werepossum]

Really? Then why didn't the Republicans do ANY of that during the 6 years they held the Presidency, the Senate, and the House?

Because after six years in D.C. Republicans turn into Democrats. It's like feeding gremlins after midnight.

 

[silent tone]

I thought Senator DeMented made basically the same proclamation 20 months ago...

Yeah, and country-first-McCain when he declared there would be no cooperation during the healthcare debate. There was also Limbaugh and others hoping for failure. A lot of this antagonistic, zero-sum tactic began with Kristol's attack on Clinton's healthcare reform. He advocated that successful reform would be a major blow to Republican power and conservative rhetoric. Which is clearly what is really important to everybody's lives.

 

[werepossum]

Yeah, and country-first-McCain when he declared there would be no cooperation during the healthcare debate. There was also Limbaugh and others hoping for failure. A lot of this antagonistic, zero-sum tactic began with Kristol's attack on Clinton's healthcare reform. He advocated that successful reform would be a major blow to Republican power and conservative rhetoric. Which is clearly what is really important to everybody's lives.

Wow, you totally caught us. It was never about an honest opposition to a plan which called for an individual and his doctor to go to prison if he dared to use his own money to pay for his own health care, it was merely a threat to our conservative rhetoric. Zounds! Our dastardly plans are confounded again by Captain Incredibly Stupid and his Legion of Denseness!

Dumbass. Now I'll be up all night wondering if you are really that profoundly stupid or just that totally dishonest.

Nah, I'll just go with 'C', both of the above.

 

[dmcowen674]

The Republicans real goal is to protect the interest of the wealthy Americans while transforming the nation into an impoverished third world country. That way the wealthy people will have an almost unlimited amount of cheap, effectively slave labor to serve them. That is the Republicans' vision.

and I thought my posts were in vain. :thumbsup:

 

[dmcowen674]

The Democrats real goal is to make people thrall to the government and take away their independence by regulation and taxation. That way they can get that Big Brother sign up and fulfill their fantasy.

You are free to leave this fantasy at any time.

 

[Craig234]

Actually I was responding to a political hack post. The Dems are going to pimp themselves and the Reps are going to do the same. We non partisans aren't happy with either choice. No one is going to change their minds and we're just going along for the ride. We will pick from two selected candidates when it's time. The chance of someone independent of the political machines getting elected? Nil.

Edit- Misread what Craig quoted. The political hackery was regarding something I quoted.

Thanks for clearing that up. On your topic of the two parties, you have a point. It's sort of a natural progression in a 'winner take all' system to form two parties, because people would rather win against the greater evil, than lose voting for one of a number of parties while a larger one wins.

Why don't you join with me in advocating the one feasible change to fix this, ranked voting - vote for a number of candidates in the order you want them.

I advocate for this because it's good for democracy, not because it helps my candidates, who it actually hurts. I prefer Democrats over the third parties it helps.

Support other reforms as well, taking big money out of the system, disclosure etc.

 

[Painman]

The Democrats real goal is to make people thrall to the government and take away their independence by regulation and taxation. That way they can get that Big Brother sign up and fulfill their fantasy.

Back in your WinstonSmith days, you seemed like a reasonable poster.

What happened?

 

[shortylickens]

Politicans put 99% of their effort into fighting each other and the last 1 percent goes to actually doing their jobs and helping the country and representing their constituents. And I'm not interested in the Republican agenda anyway since they couldnt do anything right when they controlled the White House, Capitol Hill, and practically controlled the Supreme Court. Even with all 3 branches they were unable to get anything real accomplished.

 

[bamacre]

True, although my post was more of a joke. But since you brought up his approval ratings . . .
http://www.harrisinteractive.com/Hi_assets/TopHitPageNews.html
37% baby!

I'm not too sure of those numbers. We just ran a national study and I was looking at the frequencies yesterday that had this number at ~50%. They were unweighted, but still, that's a big difference.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

“The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president” - Mitch McConnell

Shocking I tell you! Shocking!

 

[alkemyst]

The bipartizan system should die. It's only being used to keep those in power, in power and fodder for the average american to line up behind.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Wrong. You don't understand the difference between 'want power for the sake of the agenda of their benefactors, the few at the top more ruthlessly than anyone in at least decades, willing to sacrifice the good of the nation, war, poverty, corruption to get it' and the Democrats who want power - much more appropriately, not as ruthlessly, with more boundaries, and for a better agenda for the American people. You have a simple and wrong opinion on the similarities.

Of course, the Democrats are not one monolith, they have very good, very bad, and lots in between. But overall, you don't get them.

Who then determines the better agenda?

The Dem supporters feel that it is the Dems.

The Rep supporters feel that it is the Repub.

Depending on what side you support - one feels that that is the side that is best.

The Dems are not perfect - they have an underlying desire to control the government and force their agenda (good/bad) on the people. They seem to feel that the politicians/government know better than the average layman about the layman'
s business.

 

[QuantumPion]

Republicans don't offer any good policies of their own, they just want to sabotage the party that does to make themselves look better.

That's because the conservative ideology is that the government shouldn't be running every sector of the country. The best the republicans can hope to accomplish is to keep the government in check from expanding even further.

So when democrats propose plans of "should we take over the medical industry? Or implement cap and trade first?" and the republicans reply with "neither, kthx", that is expected.

 

[werepossum]

Back in your WinstonSmith days, you seemed like a reasonable poster.

What happened?

Dude, he's simply pointing out that anyone can play the hypocrisy game by ascribing the noblest intentions to one's preferred party and the basest intentions to the other. In reality, both parties are primarily concerned with seizing power, if only to prevent the other guy from doing so.

Clues - get'em.

 

[FerrelGeek]

That is coming from senate majority leader. He sees his number one thing to achieve is defeating Obama. If that means blocking economic recovery measures to make Obama look bad for 2012, so be it.

Because the Obamanation's efforts to spur economic recovery have worked so well. Oh, wait.

 

[trenchfoot]

The Bush years destroyed the credibility of the repubs wrt how their ideology ran itself into the ground and nearly ruined the economy. Whether by chance or design, that is the result of their stewardship.

The repubs had all those years of the public's trust and confidence to run their agenda the way they liked and look what happened.

The results speaks for itself.

Since then, I haven't heard a single thing the repubs have come up with that's any different from what caused the near collapse of the economy other than "well, anything is better than where it's going now", and they're saying it as if they're not a direct cause of it all. It's fascinating to see the party jam things up, stonewall anything and everything the Dems come up with, and then point to the Dems and say "oh look, the Dems have all the power and can't get anything done."

The repubs are right in the sense that they present a more unified front than the Dems do, but looking back at recent history, they simply can't be trusted.

Given that, it seems to me the repubs main goal is to take back power any way they can, no matter the consequences. They clearly cannot run on their past performance, they cannot run on a future plan as basically, it's the same plan that caused them to lose their grip on power in the first place.

So it's damn the torpedo's and damn anybody that gets in the way. Get back the reins and do a better job of providing corporate welfare, but this time, because they now know where the break point is, they can run things as before but juuuusst stay a hair away from that cliff.

Good for the Nation? Depends on whose Nation you think it is.

 

[dainthomas]

True, although my post was more of a joke. But since you brought up his approval ratings . . .
http://www.harrisinteractive.com/Hi_assets/TopHitPageNews.html
37% baby!

Point?

Reagan was at 35% in 1983. Link!

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Hahahaha.

"But they weren't REAL Republicans!"

Same old song and dance, my friend.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

all the liberals want to do is null the constitution and bill of rights and turn the country over to the UN. Do it through judicial activism and voodoo environmentalism to "save the planet". Get their carbon-CON scam running to fund endless eco-KOOK hoax agenda.

You left out murder babies and puppies.

 

[Pens1566]

Logical and makes sense. In order for the GOP to get legislation passed that supports their platform, Obama has to go.

Maybe someone with half a brain would actually believe that if they had tried to do any of that (minus the tax cuts for the rich of course) in the, oh, 6 or so years they had full power in DC under W.

 

[blackangst1]

Yah those damn GOP just want the Dems out of the picture. Good thing the Dems, and Obama, want nothing more than to work together. No partisanship on that side of the aisle:

10/25/2010

'We don't mind the Republicans joining us. They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back." ~President Obama

 

[Craig234]

Who then determines the better agenda?

The Dem supporters feel that it is the Dems.

The Rep supporters feel that it is the Repub.

Depending on what side you support - one feels that that is the side that is best.

The Dems are not perfect - they have an underlying desire to control the government and force their agenda (good/bad) on the people. They seem to feel that the politicians/government know better than the average layman about the layman'
s business.

Well, then, I guess that all agendas are equally good. Dems, Repubs, Human Rights Watch, Big Oil, Charles Manson. Since they each think theirs is better, they're all right.

The Dems are far from perfect, but they're not as bad as you say. Your 'underlying desire to control the government' is called 'democracy', and it's not underlying.

It's not about 'forcing their agenda' on the people, either. And you are a real ideologue to parrot the nonsense about 'bureaucrats know better'.

I tell you, I live in the country of the Taliban - the United States, and you are the Taliban.

The issue isn't some oppressive bureaucrats 'knowing better than the people' - that's how society works. We have people do things, who for the time they can spend or the training and so on, do them. We don't need a group of private citizens volunteering to run the Department of Motor Vehicles, to run the FBI, to run the FDA. That's so impractical and inefficient as to be nuts.

And yet you are are really calling for that with your ideological rhetoric. Any government at all - the thing our constitution does and should allow - you see as evil.

I don't have time to go test the drugs put on the market, and my lab equipment is a bit rusty. Yes, the government bureaucrats DO know better how to do that.

Contrary to your belied, that's not a communist conclusion. You are the radical - as much or moreso than the most ideological, no private party communist.

The thing is, when you are called on what you say, you will backpedal faced with how nuts it is but that's just a sign of how ideological and confused the parroting is.

You are manipulated to hate, and fear, some monolithic bureacracy, instead of being an adult citizen concerned with having the bureaucracy serve the public.

All the manipulators - those who are turning the nation into a plutocracy - have to do is wave their pinky and say a few words about how terrible the bureaucracy is about not being nice to you, and you will fly into a rage and vote for whoever they say - the con men who see you for the farm animal for them to feed off of you let them use you as.

It's disgusting. A large segment of our nation sit their being milked and manipulated, throwing away the middle class power and prosperity liberals achieved for them.

It'd democracy undermined and corrupted, the 'think tank' right-wing propagandists finding ways to lie to the people to support bad policies.

But don't blame the people who are manipulating the right-wing weak citizens, just hate bureaucrats some more and nod to phrases like 'second right amendments'.

The rape will not be as bad that way that you choose and demand.

You can't even tell what an agenda for the people is, as you equate it with an agenda for the rich, since 'people think their agenda is better'.

You are evidence arguing against the ability of democracy to continue in the face of modern corruption, now that media and propaganda are at all-time powers.

Indeed, if it weren't for our (liberal-created) widespread education, and resources like the internet for better spokespeople, we might have 80% of the public manipulated.

It's a war for the people against oppression, and you are a warrior not realizing you're on the wrong side, armed with a vote.

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