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PingSpike

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I'm no fan of the shuttle program or of NASA in general, but "most dangerous" is more than a bit of an overstatement. 130 out of 132 of shuttle missions were completed safely. That's a success rate of ~98.5%, which means that it's most likely safer than driving your car.

This is a solid point. I do die in a fiery auto wreck at least 4 times a year while driving to work.
 

dainthomas

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I'm with you though, manned flight is mostly a waste of $$, there is nothing a robot could not do on mars that men need to go there, to send men would cost staggering amounts of $$ AND you hope no major system fails over a 1-2 year period so they get home safe, crappy idea IMO..

This generation is surely the weakest and most timid in the history of the world. We don't fly people to the moon or Mars because it's necessary. We don't even do it for science (although manned space flight has certainly inspired much of our current technology). Flying men to other planets is cool and badass, and we should do it because as a country we strive to be the first and best at everything!

Unless our desire to explore and do great things is torpedoed by the fainthearted, of course. :thumbsdown:
 

SlitheryDee

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We have never gained a thing for all the money we have shot into space. Worst investment in the history of the world.

Bullshit.

Computer Technology - NASA Spinoffs
GROUND PROCESSING SCHEDULING SYSTEM - Computer-based scheduling system that uses artificial intelligence to manage thousands of overlapping activities involved in launch preparations of NASA's Space Shuttles. The NASA technology was licensed to a new company which developed commercial applications that provide real-time planning and optimization of manufacturing operations, integrated supply chains, and customer orders.uu
SEMICONDUCTOR CUBING - NASA initiative led to the Memory Short Stack, a three-dimensional semiconductor package in which dozens of integrated circuits are stacked one atop another to form a cube, offering faster computer processing speeds, higher levels of integration, lower power requirements than conventional chip sets, and dramatic reduction in the size and weight of memory-intensive systems, such as medical imaging devices.
STRUCTURAL ANALYSIS - This NASA program, originally created for spacecraft design, has been employed in a broad array of non-aerospace applications, such as the automobile industry, manufacture of machine tools, and hardware designs.
WINDOWS VISUAL NEWS READER (Win Vn) - Software program developed to support payload technical documentation at Kennedy Space Center, allowing the exchange of technical information among a large group of users. WinVn is an enabling technology product that provides countless people with Internet access otherwise beyond their grasp, and it was optimized for organizations that have direct Internet access.
AIR QUALITY MONITOR - Utilizing a NASA-developed, advanced analytical technique software package, an air quality monitor system was created, capable of separating the various gases in bulk smokestack exhaust streams and determining the amount of individual gases present within the stream for compliance with smokestack emission standards.
VIRTUAL REALITY - NASA-developed research allows a user, with assistance from advanced technology devices, to figuratively project oneself into a computer-generated environment, matching the user's head motion, and, when coupled with a stereo viewing device and appropriate software, creates a telepresence experience.
Other spinoffs in this area include: Advanced keyboards, Customer Service Software, Database Management System, Laser Surveying, Aircraft controls, Lightweight Compact Disc, Expert System Software, Microcomputers, and Design Graphics.
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Consumer/Home/Recreation - NASA Spinoffs
ENRICHED BABY FOOD - A microalgae-based, vegetable-like oil called Formulaid developed from NASA-sponsored research on long duration space travel, contains two essential fatty acids found in human milk but not in most baby formulas, believed to be important for infants' mental and visual development.
WATER PURIFICATION SYSTEM - NASA-developed municipal-size water treatment system for developing nations, called the Regenerable Biocide Delivery Unit, uses iodine rather than chlorine to kill bacteria.
SCRATCH-RESISTANT LENSES - A modified version of a dual ion beam bonding process developed by NASA involves coating the lenses with a film of diamond-like carbon that not only provides scratch resistance, but also decreases surface friction, reducing water spots.
POOL PURIFICATION - Space technology designed to sterilize water on long-duration spacecraft applied to swimming pool purification led to a system that uses two silver-copper alloy electrodes that generate silver and copper ions when an electric current passes through them to kill bacteria and algae without chemicals.
RIBBED SWIMSUIT - NASA-developed riblets applied to competition swimsuits resulted in flume testing of 10 to 15 percent faster speeds than any other world class swim-suit due to the small, barely visible grooves that reduce friction and aerodynamic drag by modifying the turbulent airflow next to the skin.
GOLF BALL AERODYNAMICS - A recently designed golf ball, which has 500 dimples arranged in a pattern of 60 spherical triangles, employs NASA aerodynamics technology to create a more symmetrical ball surface, sustaining initial velocity longer and producing a more stable ball flight for better accuracy and distance.
PORTABLE COOLERS/WARMERS - Based on a NASA-inspired space cooling system employing thermoelectric technology, the portable cooler/warmer plugs into the cigarette lighters of autos, recreational vehicles, boats, or motel outlets. Utilizes one or two miniaturized modules delivering the cooling power of a 10-pound block of ice and the heating power of up to 125 degrees Fahrenheit.
SPORTS TRAINING - Space-developed cardio-muscular conditioner helps athletes increase muscular strength and cardiovascular fitness through kinetic exercise.
ATHLETIC SHOES - Moon Boot material encapsulated in running shoe midsoles improve shock absorption and provides superior stability and motion control.
Other spinoffs in this area include: Dustbuster, shock-absorbing helmets, home security systems, smoke detectors, flat panel televisions, high-density batteries, trash compactors, food packaging and freeze-dried technology, cool sportswear, sports bras, hair styling appliances, fogless ski goggles, self-adjusting sunglasses, composite golf clubs, hang gliders, art preservation, and quartz crystal timing equipment.
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Environmental and Resource Management - NASA Spinoffs
MICROSPHERES - The first commercial products manufactured in orbit are tiny microspheres whose precise dimensions permit their use as reference standards for extremely accurate calibration of instruments in research and industrial laboratories. They are sold for applications in environmental control, medical research, and manufacturing.
SOLAR ENERGY - NASA-pioneered photovoltaic power system for spacecraft applications was applied to programs to expand terrestrial applications as a viable alternative energy source in areas where no conventional power source exists.
WEATHER FORECASTING AID - Space Shuttle environmental control technology led to the development of the Barorator which continuously measures the atmospheric pressure and calculates the instantaneous rate of change.
FOREST MANAGEMENT - A NASA-initiated satellite scanning system monitors and maps forestation by detecting radiation reflected and emitted from trees.
SENSORS FOR ENVIRONMENTAL CONTROL - NASA development of an instrument for use in space life support research led to commercial development of a system to monitor an industrial process stream to assure that the effluent water's pH level is in compliance with environmental regulations.
WIND MONITOR - Development of Jimsphere wind measurement balloon for space launches allows for making high resolution measurements of the wind profile for meteorological studies and predictions.
TELEMETRY SYSTEMS - A spinoff company formed to commercialize NASA high-data-rate telemetry technology, manufactures a high-speed processing system for commercial communications applications.
PLANT RESEARCH - NASA research on future moon and Mars bases is investigating using plants for food, oxygen, and water to reduce the need for outside supplies. This research utilizes Hydroponics (liquid nutrient solutions) instead of soil to support plant growth and finds applications for vegetable production on Earth.
FIRE RESISTANT MATERIAL - Materials include chemically-treated fabric for sheets, uniforms for hazardous material handlers, crew's clothing, furniture, interior walls of submersibles and auto racer and refueler suits.
RADIATION INSULATION - Aluminized polymer film is highly effective radiation barrier for both manned and unmanned spacecraft. Variations of this space-devised material are also used as an energy conservation technique for homes and offices. The materials are placed between wall studs and exterior facing before siding or between roof support and roof sheathing. The radiant barrier blocks 95% of radiant energy. Successful retrofit installations include schools and shrink wrap ovens.
Other spinoffs in this area include: Whale identification method, environmental analysis, noise abatement, pollution measuring devices, pollution control devices, smokestack monitor, radioactive leak detector, earthquake prediction system, sewage treatment, energy saving air conditioning, and air purification.
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Health and Medicine - NASA Spinoffs
DIGITAL IMAGING BREAST BIOPSY SYSTEM - The LORAD Stereo Guide Breast Biopsy system incorporates advanced Charge Coupled Devices (CCDs) as part of a digital camera system. The resulting device images breast tissue more clearly and efficiently. Known as stereotactic large-core needle biopsy, this nonsurgical system developed with Space Telescope Technology is less traumatic and greatly reduces the pain, scarring, radiation exposure, time, and money associated with surgical biopsies.
BREAST CANCER DETECTION - A solar cell sensor is positioned directly beneath x-ray film, and determines exactly when film has received sufficient radiation and has been exposed to optimum density. Associated electronic equipment then sends a signal to cut off the x-ray source. Reduction of mammography x-ray exposure reduces radiation hazard and doubles the number of patient exams per machine.
LASER ANGIOPLASTY - Laser angioplasty with a "cool" type of laser, caller an excimer laser, does not damage blood vessel walls and offers precise non-surgical cleanings of clogged arteries with extraordinary precision and fewer complications than in balloon angioplasty.
ULTRASOUND SKIN DAMAGE ASSESSMENT - Advanced instrument using NASA ultrasound technology enables immediate assessment of burn damage depth, improving patient treatment, and may save lives in serious burn cases.
HUMAN TISSUE STIMULATOR - Employing NASA satellite technology, the device is implanted in the body to help patient control chronic pain and involuntary motion disorders through electrical stimulation of targeted nerve centers or particular areas of the brain.
COOL SUIT - Custom-made suit derived from space suits circulates coolant through tubes to lower patient's body/ temperature, producing dramatic improvement of symptoms of multiple sclerosis, cerebral palsy, spina bifida and other conditions.
PROGRAMMABLE PACEMAKER - Incorporating multiple NASA technologies, the system consists of the implant and a physician's computer console containing the programming and a data printer. Communicates through wireless telemetry signals.
OCULAR SCREENING - NASA image processing techniques are used to detect eye problems in very young children. An electronic flash from a 35-millimeter camera sends light into the child's eyes, and a photorefractor analyzes the retinal reflexes, producing an image of each eye.
AUTOMATED URINALYSIS - NASA fluid dynamics studies helped development of system that automatically extracts and transfers sediment from urine sample to an analyzer microscope, replacing the manual centrifuge method.
MEDICAL GAS ANALYZER - Astronaut-monitoring technology used to develop system to monitor operating rooms for analysis of anesthetic gasses and measurement of oxygen, carbon dioxide, and nitrogen concentrations to assure proper breathing environment for surgery patients.
VOICE-CONTROLLED WHEELCHAIR - NASA teleoperator and robot technology used to develop chair and manipulator that respond to 35 one-word voice commands utilizing a minicomputer to help patient perform daily tasks, like picking up packages, opening doors, and turning on appliances.
Other spinoffs in this area include: Arteriosclerosis detection, ultrasound scanners, automatic insulin pump, portable x-ray device, invisible braces, dental arch wire, palate surgery technology, clean room apparel, implantable heart aid, MRI, bone analyzer, and cataract surgery tools.
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Industrial Productivity/Manufacturing Technology - NASA Spinoffs
MAGNETIC LIQUIDS - Based on the NASA-developed ferrofluid concept involving synthetic fluids that can be positioned and controlled by magnetic force, the ferrofluidic seal was initially applied in a zero-leakage, nonwearing seal for the rotating shaft of a system used to make semiconductor chips, solving a persistent problem‹contamination due to leaking seals.
WELDING SENSOR SYSTEM - Laser-based automated welder for industrial use incorporates a laser sensor system originally designed for Space Shuttle External Tank to track the seam where two pieces of metal are to be joined, measures gaps and minute misfits, and automatically corrects the welding torch distance and height.
MICROLASERS - Based on a concept for optical communications over interplanetary distances, microlasers were developed for the commercial market to transmit communication signals and to drill, cut, or melt materials.
MAGNETIC BEARING SYSTEM - Bearings developed from Space Shuttle designs support moving machinery without physical contact, permitting motion without friction or wear, and are now used in electric power generation, petroleum refining, machine tool operation, and natural gas pipelines.
ENGINE LUBRICANT - A NASA-developed plasma-sprayed coating is used to coat valves in a new, ten-inch-long, four-cylinder rotary engine, eliminating the need for lubricating the rotorcam, which has no crankshaft, flywheel, distributor, or water pump.
INTERACTIVE COMPUTER TRAINING - Known as Interactive Multimedia Training (IMT), originally developed to train astronauts and space operations personnel, now utilized by the commercial sector to train new employees and upgrade worker skills, using a computer system that engages all the senses, including text, video, animation, voice, sounds, and music.
HIGH-PRESSURE WATERSTRIPPING - Technology developed for preparing Space Shuttle solid rocket boosters first evolved into the U.S. Air Force's Large Aircraft Robotic Paint Stripping (LARPS) system, and now used in the commercial airline industry, where the waterjet processing reduces coating removal time by 90 percent, using only water at ultra-high pressures up to 55,000 psi.
ADVANCED WELDING TORCH - Based on the Variable Polarity Plasma Arc welding technology, a handheld torch originally developed for joining light alloys used in NASA's External Tank, is now used by major appliance manufacturers for sheet metal welding.
Other spinoffs in this area include: Gasoline vapor recovery, self-locking fasteners, machine tool software, laser wire stripper, lubricant coating process, wireless communications, engine coatings, and engine design.
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Public Safety - NASA Spinoffs
RADIATION HAZARD DETECTOR - NASA technology has made commercially available new, inexpensive, conveniently carried device for protection of people exposed to potentially dangerous levels of microwave radiation. Weighing only 4 ounces and about the size of a cigarette pack, it can be carried in a shirt pocket or clipped to a belt. Unit sounds an audible alarm when microwave radiation reaches a preset level.
EMERGENCY RESPONSE ROBOT - Remotely-operated robot reduces human injury levels by performing hazardous tasks that would otherwise be handled by humans.
PERSONAL ALARM SYSTEM - Pen-sized ultrasonic transmitter used by prison guards, teachers, the elderly, and disabled to call for help is based on space telemetry technology. Pen transmits a silent signal to receiver that will display the exact location of the emergency.
EMERGENCY RESCUE CUTTERS - Lightweight cutters for freeing accident victims from wreckage developed using NASA pyrotechnic technology.
FIREMAN'S AIR TANKS - Lighter-weight firefighter's air tanks have been developed. New back-pack system weighs only 20 lbs. for 30 minute air supply, 13 lbs. less than conventional firefighting tanks. They are pressurized at 4,500 psia (twice current tanks). A warning device tells the fireman when he or she is running out of air.
PERSONAL STORM WARNING SYSTEM - Lightning detector gives 30-minute warning to golfers, boaters, homeowners, business owners, and private pilots.
SELF-RIGHTING LIFE RAFT - Developed for the Apollo program, fully inflates in 12 seconds and protects lives during extremely adverse weather conditions with self-righting and gravity compensation features.
Other spinoffs in this area include: Storm warning services (Doppler radar), firefighters' radios, lead poison detection, fire detector, flame detector, corrosion protection coating, protective clothing, and robotic hands.
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Transportation - NASA Spinoffs
STUDLESS WINTER TIRES - Viking Lander parachute shroud material is adapted and used to manufacture radial tires, increasing the tire material's chainlike molecular structure to five times the strength of steel should increase tread life by 10,000 miles.
BETTER BRAKES - New, high-temperature composite space materials provide for better brake linings. Applications includes trucks, industrial equipment and passenger cars.
TOLLBOOTH PURIFICATION - A laminar airflow technique used in NASA clean rooms for contamination-free assembly of space equipment is used at tollbooths on bridges and turnpikes to decrease the toll collector's inhalation of exhaust fumes.
WEIGHT SAVING TECHNOLOGY - NASA research on composite materials is used to achieve a 30-percent weight reduction in a twin-turbine helicopter, resulting in a substantial increase in aircraft performance.
IMPROVED AIRCRAFT ENGINE - Multiple NASA developed technological advancements resulted in a cleaner, quieter, more economical commercial aircraft engine known as the high bypass turbofan, featuring a 10-percent reduction in fuel consumption, lower noise levels, and emission reductions of oxides of nitrogen, carbon monoxide, and unburned hydrocarbons.
ADVANCED LUBRICANTS - An environmental-friendly lubricant designed to support the Space Shuttle Mobile Launcher Platform led to the development of three commercial lubricants for railroad track maintenance, for electric power company corrosion prevention, and as a hydraulic fluid with an oxidation life of 10,000 hours.
ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM - The Flywheel Energy Storage system, derived from two NASA-sponsored energy storage studies, is a chemical-free, mechanical battery that harnesses the energy of a rapidly spinning wheel and stores it as electricity with 50 times the capacity of a lead-acid battery, very useful for electric vehicles.
NEW WING DESIGN FOR CORPORATE JETS - NASA-developed computer programs resulted in an advanced, lighter, more aerodynamically-efficient new wing for Gulfstream business aircraft.
AIDS TO SCHOOL BUS DESIGN - Manufacturer uses three separate NASA-developed technologies originally developed for aviation and space use in their design and testing of a new school bus chassis. These technologies are a structural analysis computer program infrared stress measurement system, and a ride quality meter system.
Other spinoffs in this area include: Safer bridges, emission testing, airline wheelchairs, electric car, auto design, methane-powered vehicles, windshear prediction, and aircraft design analysis.

 

foghorn67

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So far the shuttle is the safest. Death trap or not it hasn't been beat. Not by Apollo nor Soyuz. Soyuz might have been, but one rocket killed dozens on the ground.
 

jacc1234

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Bullshit.
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Don't bother feeding this troll. The only thing that would make him happy is if they etched scriptures onto the damn moon. Anyone with half a brain knows that the space program is responsible for technology that totally changed the world. If he honestly believes otherwise, which i doubt, refer to my previous statement.
 

Malak

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Bullshit.

Not a single thing mentioned is directly related to us going in space. All you have is technology developed by engineers, it is not directly related to space travel itself.

We have gained nothing by going in space. We will never gain anything spending billions sending robots to Mars. Arguing about how the budget is just a small percentage means nothing, it's still billions wasted EVERY YEAR. If we could go back 40 years and take back all the money we ever spent on this program, maybe social security wouldn't be failing. And that is far more helpful than GPS in the big picture.
 

Malak

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The only thing that would make him happy is if they etched scriptures onto the damn moon.

What part of "waste of money" didn't you get? Some idiot already launched the bible into space and I think it was stupid too.
 

NetWareHead

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So far the shuttle is the safest. Death trap or not it hasn't been beat. Not by Apollo nor Soyuz. Soyuz might have been, but one rocket killed dozens on the ground.

Like I posted before, Soyuz has flown for decades longer than Space shuttle and has less fatalities, last one being 1971 with a design that has been obsoleted by today's versions.

Soyuz fatalities: 4 deaths out of over 1700 flights (dont know exact number of flights, but this is what I have found through some quick research)

Shuttle fatalities: 14 deaths out of 132 flights

Challenger STS-51-L, Soyuz 18a and Soyuz T-10-1 all suffered from launch vehicle failures during launch. The launch escape system present on Soyuz and absent on Space shuttle ensured the safety and rescue of Soyuz's crew.

Simply put, Soyuz is widely considered the world's safest, most cost-effective human spaceflight system with an unparalleled length of operational history.

Regarding the rocket that "killed dozens on the ground", to be specific that was a fueling mishap during a Vostok launch, not Soyuz and besides, I thought this was a comparison of spaceflight and launch accidents not accidents with ground crew and civilian fatalities.
 

KMFJD

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Not a single thing mentioned is directly related to us going in space. All you have is technology developed by engineers, it is not directly related to space travel itself.

We have gained nothing by going in space. We will never gain anything spending billions sending robots to Mars. Arguing about how the budget is just a small percentage means nothing, it's still billions wasted EVERY YEAR. If we could go back 40 years and take back all the money we ever spent on this program, maybe social security wouldn't be failing. And that is far more helpful than GPS in the big picture.

keep sticking your ignorant head in the sand
 

Linflas

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This generation is surely the weakest and most timid in the history of the world. We don't fly people to the moon or Mars because it's necessary. We don't even do it for science (although manned space flight has certainly inspired much of our current technology). Flying men to other planets is cool and badass, and we should do it because as a country we strive to be the first and best at everything!

Unless our desire to explore and do great things is torpedoed by the fainthearted, of course. :thumbsdown:

Address at Rice University on the Nation's Space Effort November 12, 1962

We choose to go to the moon. We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too.
 

Kev

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Not a single thing mentioned is directly related to us going in space. All you have is technology developed by engineers, it is not directly related to space travel itself.

We have gained nothing by going in space. We will never gain anything spending billions sending robots to Mars. Arguing about how the budget is just a small percentage means nothing, it's still billions wasted EVERY YEAR. If we could go back 40 years and take back all the money we ever spent on this program, maybe social security wouldn't be failing. And that is far more helpful than GPS in the big picture.

This is like our ancestors saying "we will gain nothing by building boats and exploring the ocean. We will never gain anything by sending ships out there."
 

disappoint

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We have never gained a thing for all the money we spent on Malak's education. Worst investment in the history of the world.

Please fall into a pit of molten lava at your earliest convenience. Thank you.
 

SlitheryDee

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Not a single thing mentioned is directly related to us going in space. All you have is technology developed by engineers, it is not directly related to space travel itself.

We have gained nothing by going in space. We will never gain anything spending billions sending robots to Mars. Arguing about how the budget is just a small percentage means nothing, it's still billions wasted EVERY YEAR. If we could go back 40 years and take back all the money we ever spent on this program, maybe social security wouldn't be failing. And that is far more helpful than GPS in the big picture.

It's estimated that for every dollar the government spent on the space program, it eventually got $7 back in the form of taxes from the revenue generated by the commercialization of the technologies that resulted from the space program. If we went back 40 years and took back all the money we ever spent on the program, we'd be losing all that.
 

DrPizza

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Not a single thing mentioned is directly related to us going in space. All you have is technology developed by engineers, it is not directly related to space travel itself.

We have gained nothing by going in space. We will never gain anything spending billions sending robots to Mars. Arguing about how the budget is just a small percentage means nothing, it's still billions wasted EVERY YEAR. If we could go back 40 years and take back all the money we ever spent on this program, maybe social security wouldn't be failing. And that is far more helpful than GPS in the big picture.
Seriously, yes, Phineas was banned. But, there's no reason to step up to the plate & attempt to fill in for the trolling that we're going without.
 

Malak

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It's estimated that for every dollar the government spent on the space program, it eventually got $7 back in the form of taxes from the revenue generated by the commercialization of the technologies that resulted from the space program. If we went back 40 years and took back all the money we ever spent on the program, we'd be losing all that.

In the bigger picture all those technologies would have been developed anyway. Flying into space didn't create those technologies, engineers did. The fact they have commercial purpose is proof enough that they can exist without a space program existing. There isn't anything directly related to going into space that has benefited us.

Call me a troll, call me ignorant, but nobody can argue my point yet. I am more than willing to accept a real answer, but I doubt anything will show up in the next 100 years that will make all the money wasted worth it.
 

Freshgeardude

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In the bigger picture all those technologies would have been developed anyway. Flying into space didn't create those technologies, engineers did. The fact they have commercial purpose is proof enough that they can exist without a space program existing. There isn't anything directly related to going into space that has benefited us.

Call me a troll, call me ignorant, but nobody can argue my point yet. I am more than willing to accept a real answer, but I doubt anything will show up in the next 100 years that will make all the money wasted worth it.


sure. all of the technologies will have EVENTUALLY have been invented, but in the same time frame?

hell, we could be living in times where we'd be saying "a wireless phone?"

im not saying nasa invented the cell phone, but for the example, you can substitute whatever u'd like.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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In the bigger picture all those technologies would have been developed anyway. Flying into space didn't create those technologies, engineers did. The fact they have commercial purpose is proof enough that they can exist without a space program existing. There isn't anything directly related to going into space that has benefited us.

Call me a troll, call me ignorant, but nobody can argue my point yet. I am more than willing to accept a real answer, but I doubt anything will show up in the next 100 years that will make all the money wasted worth it.

Could have, would have, maybe. Point is space travel was the catalyst. You've been given a real answer but, you choose to ignore it. I call that an ignorant troll.
 

Jeff7

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In the bigger picture all those technologies would have been developed anyway. Flying into space didn't create those technologies, engineers did. The fact they have commercial purpose is proof enough that they can exist without a space program existing. There isn't anything directly related to going into space that has benefited us.

Call me a troll, call me ignorant, but nobody can argue my point yet. I am more than willing to accept a real answer, but I doubt anything will show up in the next 100 years that will make all the money wasted worth it.
Well, except for knowledge about things that could potentially screw us all over, like massive solar flares, and extinction-level asteroid impacts - or even just the "little" airburst asteroids that could level a city.


Concerning manned spaceflight, the best argument I've heard in favor of it was from Neil DeGrasse Tyson: That it is a good PR program for the space program, and for scientific progress in general. It helps pique interest in advanced science, research, and engineering - and hopefully the public gets to see a glimpse of what people really do in those fields, rather than the stereotyped caricatures that are commonly seen on TV.



This is like our ancestors saying "we will gain nothing by building boats and exploring the ocean. We will never gain anything by sending ships out there."
:thumbsup:
Carl Sagan, talking about those darned useless little electrons.
Seriously, atoms are already really frickin' tiny. Now some morons want to spend time and money studying an even small component of these atoms? What a waste.

;)


Hm, and that lead to another Sagan video, where he spoke of the Library of Alexandria, and of Hypatia, one of many people who got to feel the love of Christianity.

 
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you messed the best part of that:
There is no strife, no prejudice, no national conflict in outer space as yet. Its hazards are hostile to us all. Its conquest deserves the best of all mankind, and its opportunity for peaceful cooperation many never come again. But why, some say, the moon? Why choose this as our goal? And they may well ask why climb the highest mountain? Why, 35 years ago, fly the Atlantic? Why does Rice play Texas?