The President of Spokane NAACP is white? Update* NAACP is ok with it.

[Orignal Earl]

The left won't be happy until every little boy is a bigger sissy than Japanese boys these days. Watch manga and play video games all day and not want to bang women and raise a family.

Do you have any plans to celebrate after you reach 14,000 posts?
Switch up your av or something?

 

[Genx87]

Ever play air guitar and pretend you're the lead guitarist for Metallica? That's what she's doing.. imitating what she wants to be.

Why would Bruce Jenner want to dress up like a girl and get boobs? He's imitating what he want to be..

White people get a tan all the time. Asian people spend thousands if not millions on skin lightening.

Why is it a mental illness to want to be something else?

Now if she's commiting fraud and grand larceny I'm for putting her in jail, but till then this is just a we don't have a news story to lets ruin her life by giving her 15 minutes of fame.

It is mental illness IMO because of the stories she made up to claim she is black. Also stealing a painting to make herself look more authentic. If somebody wants to act like a different race that is fine. But to come up with this story with the typical stereotypes of blacks(shooting a bow and arrow for food in Africa) tells me her brain has gone off the deep end.

 

[unokitty]

Rachel Dolezal Defiant: ‘I Identify as Black’

So when Ms. Dolezal (pronounced DOLE-uh-zhal) went on national television on Tuesday for the first time since she became the subject of a raging debate about racial identity and fabrication, it was no surprise that while she cannot claim a hint of black ancestry, she refused to concede that she had misled anyone. “I identify as black,” she said with a smile.

She would not backpedal...

Indeed, why should she?

From Jenner to Dolezal: One Trans Good, the Other Not So Much

By far the most intellectually and politically interesting thing about the recent "exposé" of Spokane, WA, NAACP activist Rachel Dolezal’s racial status is the conundrum it has posed for racial identitarians who are also committed to defense of transgender identity. The comparisons between Dolezal and Republican Jenner ... began almost instantly, particularly as a flood of mass-mediated Racial Voices who support the legitimacy of transgender identity objected strenuously to suggestions that Dolezal’s representation, and apparent perception, of herself as black is similar to Bruce Jenner’s perception of himself as actually Caitlyn. Their contention is that one kind of claim to an identity at odds with culturally constructed understandings of the identity appropriate to one’s biology is okay but that the other is not – that it’s OK to feel like a woman when you don’t have the body of a woman and to act like (and even get yourself the body of) a woman but that it’s wrong to feel like a black person when you’re actually white and that acting like you’re black and doing your best to get yourself the body of a black person is just lying...

The transrace/transgender comparison makes clear the conceptual emptiness of the essentializing discourses, and the opportunist politics, that undergird identitarian ideologies. There is no coherent, principled defense of the stance that transgender identity is legitimate but transracial is not, at least not one that would satisfy basic rules of argument. The debate also throws into relief the reality that a notion of social justice that hinges on claims to entitlement based on extra-societal, ascriptive identities is neoliberalism’s critical self-consciousness. In insisting on the political priority of such fictive, naturalized populations identitarianism meshes well with neoliberal naturalization of the structures that reproduce inequality.

Interesting.

Besides, the Rachel Dolezal movie is inevitable!

Uno

 

[Vaux]

LegendKiller has been right this entire thread... no way you can support the transvestite Bruce Jenner and not support this woman... or you are a hypocrite, simple as that. They are analogous.

That slope is only going to get more slippery.

 

[nageov3t]

LegendKiller has been right this entire thread... no way you can support the transvestite Bruce Jenner and not support this woman... or you are a hypocrite, simple as that. They are analogous.

That slope is only going to get more slippery.

there's plenty of room to support the vague concept of "transracial" without supporting this specific woman, who adopted blackface and lied about her entire background/family history to advance her career.

Rachel Dolezal is closer to being an offensive drag queen than a transgendered person.

 

[Vaux]

there's plenty of room to support the vague concept of "transracial" without supporting this specific woman, who adopted blackface and lied about her entire background/family history to advance her career.

Rachel Dolezal is closer to being an offensive drag queen than a transgendered person.

Yeah so Bruce Jenner adopted "woman" face. Did Bruce Jenner lie when he entered the olympics as a man? Did he lie if he marked himself as male during any of his doctor visits? Can you argue that Bruce Jenner's career wasn't advanced by any of this new attention he is getting?

 

[evident]

am i one of the few who isn't "outraged" by this? she may have lied to advance her career or whatnot and that may be the root problem, but does that erase all of her positive contributions to the black community, her activism and her sympathy with "black people struggles"?

werent there black people who used to take pills to turn their skin white back in the day? i dont know how much fucks i give about this person or believe the complete outrage that the media is portraying this as.

edit: ok i guess i never bothered to read about how she completely made up a story about her upbringing and her claims about hate crimes and stuff. she's kind of nuts and think its pretty ridiculous. but why is this making national headlines? people lie about themselves every day. anything about race is going to make front pages now

 

[nageov3t]

Yeah so Bruce Jenner adopted "woman" face. Did Bruce Jenner lie when he entered the olympics as a man? Did he lie if he marked himself as male during any of his doctor visits? Can you argue that Bruce Jenner's career wasn't advanced by any of this new attention he is getting?

how can you compare being a closeted transgenered (aka: lying in a sense) to...

• claiming a random black guy is your father
• telling people your biological father is really your step-dad
• claiming your parents beat you for being biracial
• claiming to have been raised in a teepee where she was forced to hunt for food with a bow and arrow
• also claiming to have spent her childhood living in Africa
• telling people her adopted black brother is really her son
• sending hate mail to herself
• copying another painting as her own to express her feelings on slave ships
• bragging about her "natural" hair while knowing she was wearing a weave or a wig

I think that's where we're at with the lies... someone can chime in if I'm missing anything.

 

[werepossum]

It is mental illness IMO because of the stories she made up to claim she is black. Also stealing a painting to make herself look more authentic. If somebody wants to act like a different race that is fine. But to come up with this story with the typical stereotypes of blacks(shooting a bow and arrow for food in Africa) tells me her brain has gone off the deep end.

If the stories are true that she was earning $250K, might have to rethink that "she's crazy" diagnosis. If people playing air guitar could make up stories and get that kind of bank representing lead guitarists, I suspect we'd see lot more organized efforts.

how can you compare being a closeted transgenered (aka: lying in a sense) to...

• claiming a random black guy is your father
• telling people your biological father is really your step-dad
• claiming your parents beat you for being biracial
• claiming to have been raised in a teepee where she was forced to hunt for food with a bow and arrow
• also claiming to have spent her childhood living in Africa
• telling people her adopted black brother is really her son
• sending hate mail to herself
• copying another painting as her own to express her feelings on slave ships
• bragging about her "natural" hair while knowing she was wearing a weave or a wig

I think that's where we're at with the lies... someone can chime in if I'm missing anything.

Exactly. Bruce Jenner is spending his own money to realize his own idealized self - that's admirable, at least to a degree. (If his family was being harmed by this expense, it would be different.) One could make a strong case that he is being more honest, not less. This chick, whatever may be her contributions as a social justice warrior, has certainly made out like a bandit, holding not one but two jobs by virtue of her made-up ethnic background. Not even remotely comparable.

 

[Genx87]

am i one of the few who isn't "outraged" by this? she may have lied and that may be the root problem, but does that erase all of her positive contributions to the black community, her activism and her sympathy with "black people struggles"?

werent there black people who used to take pills to turn their skin white back in the day?

She not only lied about her background and history. She also threw her parents under the bus by claiming somebody else was her father. And made up multiple hate crime complaints that didn't stand up to scrutiny.

It doesnt ruin her past work. But it brings into question her character and authenticity. She should be able to do such a thing without the lies and insulting story\make up.

 

[CPA]

how can you compare being a closeted transgenered (aka: lying in a sense) to...

• claiming a random black guy is your father
• telling people your biological father is really your step-dad
• claiming your parents beat you for being biracial
• claiming to have been raised in a teepee where she was forced to hunt for food with a bow and arrow
• also claiming to have spent her childhood living in Africa
• telling people her adopted black brother is really her son
• sending hate mail to herself
• copying another painting as her own to express her feelings on slave ships
• bragging about her "natural" hair while knowing she was wearing a weave or a wig

I think that's where we're at with the lies... someone can chime in if I'm missing anything.

Good synopsis.

I'll reiterate what i said earlier, it's much easier for people to accept her as a liar who did good things than to hold her accountable for the myriad of lies she had spewed, some which have impacted others.

 

[Blanky]

am i one of the few who isn't "outraged" by this? she may have lied to advance her career or whatnot and that may be the root problem, but does that erase all of her positive contributions to the black community, her activism and her sympathy with "black people struggles"?

I know you edited your post after as you read more, but some seem to think the fact she furthered black rights excuses this. She lied about her black dad being run out of the south. She lied about receiving nooses for being black. Is this what furthering black rights looks like: lie about serious events of racism to engender yourself more in the black community?

As a black man I find it all outrageous. I wonder how far she could have gotten with the NAACP if she didn't have these fantastical fictional stories about being a black victim in her life to rehash.

 

[nageov3t]

“As I grew, I had to work really hard and go through really different stages and phases of my emotional identity to figure out my identity,” Tucker said.

Now, she says some of that work is being undone by a national conversation about Rachel Dolezal as “transracial.”

“I think she used her white privilege to slip into our space without owning the historical struggles that black folks have faced,” Tucker said. “It could never go the other way around.”

Rachel Dolezal draws ire of transracial adoptees

 

[Enigmoid]

I love the mixing of the two primary issues.

1. She identifies as black.

2. She lied about it.

Separate claims. Address them separately.

IMO she most definitely made up lies. This is true.

However, I can't see a reason why she can't identify as black (especially if someone like Jenner can identify as a woman).

People seem to be taking the fact that she lied and concluding that she (and for this reason) cannot identify as black.

 

[CPA]

This whole scenario reminds me of the Seinfeld episode where George feigns being handicapped. Even has a scene of him limping, with the wrong leg mind you, to throw off some of his co-workers. Looks like Seinfeld saw this coming years ago.

 

[unokitty]

Rachel Dolezal Reality Show: Actually Happening?!

According to one insider, Dolezal has already been “offered two reality shows from different production companies."

“The offers were made last week along with several others that were just outrageous," says the source. "Rachel recognizes that she is going to need an agent and a publicist, and is going to be hiring a professional team in the next few days.”

The insider adds that Dolezal hopes to "use all of the publicity to bring awareness about race relations."

Interesting... yet again, Dolezal has proven that she's just full of surprises.

Why can't a green eyed blond girl grow up to be a black social justice activist?

Why can't a social justice activist become a reality TV star?

Hasn't America always been a place where people can reinvent themselves?

Uno

 

[xBiffx]

I don't even see how this and the Caitlyn/Jenner nonsense are even remotely comparable. I don't see how gender identity and race identity could ever possibly be lumped together. Science doesn't support that one bit.

I can see someone identifying as the opposite sex. Science tells us that we are all women in the womb and at a certain stage of development hormones trigger the change to being a man. As with anything, especially nature, nothing is perfect and we know that this doesn't always go "according to plan." So it is quite conceivable that a man could identify as a woman and vice versa if something wasn't fully completed in that stage of development.

Science gives us no method for which one could possibly be any race other than their biological parents. Therefore identifying as a different race is nothing more than a mental condition. There is no underlying physical trait to reinforce that belief. And that is all it could ever be, an unfounded belief.

 

[Rustler]

I will put them in a new Transmoron ...............both Bruce Jenner and Rachel Dolezal, two peas in a pod BAT SHIT CRAZY!!

 

[OutHouse]

Yeah so Bruce Jenner adopted "woman" face. Did Bruce Jenner lie when he entered the olympics as a man? Did he lie if he marked himself as male during any of his doctor visits? Can you argue that Bruce Jenner's career wasn't advanced by any of this new attention he is getting?

fail.

 

[Rustler]

rachel dolezal reality show: Actually happening?!

why can't a green eyed blond girl grow up to be a black social justice activist?

Why can't a social justice activist become a reality tv star?

Hasn't america always been a place where people can reinvent themselves?

Uno

just shows real people can be incredibly stupid........................

 

[LegendKiller]

Maybe not every boy, but you do realize that the Japanese government is very concerned about the state of its young men?

This is the problem with idiots like him, they refuse to acknowledge the data and the problem and not look at it objectively.

The Japanese are fucked demographically speaking.

 

[LegendKiller]

I don't even see how this and the Caitlyn/Jenner nonsense are even remotely comparable. I don't see how gender identity and race identity could ever possibly be lumped together. Science doesn't support that one bit.

I can see someone identifying as the opposite sex. Science tells us that we are all women in the womb and at a certain stage of development hormones trigger the change to being a man. As with anything, especially nature, nothing is perfect and we know that this doesn't always go "according to plan." So it is quite conceivable that a man could identify as a woman and vice versa if something wasn't fully completed in that stage of development.

Science gives us no method for which one could possibly be any race other than their biological parents. Therefore identifying as a different race is nothing more than a mental condition. There is no underlying physical trait to reinforce that belief. And that is all it could ever be, an unfounded belief.

Wow...just wow. Do you even understand how/when a fetus is a male?

 

[Enigmoid]

Must answer the underlying questions.

Is race biological or a societal construct?

 

[xBiffx]

Wow...just wow. Do you even understand how/when a fetus is a male?

Do you read much? I said how it happens. We all start as females. Some don't make the complete transition to male during development in the womb as they should.

Are you trolling? Honest question?

 

[werepossum]

Wow...just wow. Do you even understand how/when a fetus is a male?

I wouldn't have said that we are all women in the womb, but there are certain compounds that, if not expressed, will cause a person to be genetically all male but physically appear all female, to the point that not even their doctors know these people are genetically male without a detailed gynecological exam. (e.g. the womb does not form so the vaginal canal is abnormally short.) So I think his point stands.