ForeverSilky
Banned
There will also be a Metal Gear for the X-box, which also has more features than the playstation2.
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The Playstation 2 Launch, will it blow our high power PC away?
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PochiePooh
Senior member
Foreversilky, you do not think that DreamCast was only priced at $150 when it came out do you? Also, if I remember correctly, DC also had only a handful of games when it came out. That is unfair to say "why shell out $299 when you only have to pay $150 for DC." And, on the contrary, when someone shells out $299 for PS2, they not only have the many PS2 games that are available, but also a whole library of games from the 1st playstation, which is more than I can say for the Dreamcast.
Edit: Now that you think about it, Dreamcast left their old Sega Genesis users high n dry, did they not.
Edit: Now that you think about it, Dreamcast left their old Sega Genesis users high n dry, did they not.
RagingGuardian
Golden Member
Foreversilk, thanks for the link. Q3 on the PS2 is simply awesome. Maybe LXi should check it out. I'm sure that his $300 console does a better job of Q3 than the Dreamcast.😉
The PS2 isn't just any other console, it's an expensive console that can run games we wished we never played.
BTW, if Konami chose to make Metal Gear with the PC in mind there's no way in hell that the PS2 version could outshine it.
The PS2 isn't just any other console, it's an expensive console that can run games we wished we never played.
BTW, if Konami chose to make Metal Gear with the PC in mind there's no way in hell that the PS2 version could outshine it.
masterskartrg
Senior member
computer games are good but imo are no match for games that i would consider really good rpg's,because i love games like ff7,ff8,chrono cross,valkarie profile,and such.so will i get it of course so i can play the new ff10 and so forth.will it blow our pc away no way. i too love fps games for computers,and you can do way more with a computer.but to get to the point i will only get it so i can play the rpg thats available for the console.
It's all in the eye of the beholder. I work at a software retailer and I can say 100% that Sony created the demand for the PS2 by shorting supplies. Can you believe I have people offering me $200 extra PER system to be bumped up on the presell list? That's just pathetic! I'm a proud owner of *many* gaming systems, including all the 16bit, nearly all the 32/64 (a working Jaguar with games is tough to find 😀), and of course, a Dreamcast. I can say without a doubt that I've not been this satisfied with a gaming machine since the old 8bit Nintendo days. The Dreamcast has a great line of games (especially if you like sports!) and the only two hits against it that I can think of right now is the controller layout being not very ergonomical (making fighting games rough to play) and lack of solid, A-list RPGs. The first problem can be fixed with 3rd party controllers, and Grandia II as well as Return to Arcadia are due within months. Hell, I'm *still* happy playing Soul Calibur, a launch title that doesn't even tax the system and still looks better and plays nicer than most of the PC games I play (and without silly patches too!).
I honestly believe that PS2 will be hot till around Feburary when the die hard gamers and parents of children get their hands on one and then Sony will have to drop the price a bit to compete, because while the PS2 plays DVDs, most people don't buy a gaming machine for that function. I myself have zero use for the PS2 to be a DVD player as I have 2 table top players and a DVD drive in my PC. Hence, the PS2 is now just a really expensive machine that (thus far) doesn't show me any reason to purchase it when I'm quite happy with my Dreamcast.
Will the PS2 blow the PC away? Hardly. PC's have alot of advantages the PS2 just doesn't touch. Things such as upgradabilities, multi-media capabilities, varience of input devices, multitudes of graphical options, etc, just make the PC a better choice all around (in my opinion) to be called the "high powered gaming machine".
Course, those are just my opinions, some of them based on first hand experiences, some of them just on what I believe. I will say this, I worked at this same job during the N64's release when Nintendo had all of about 5 games to sell to consumers by Xmas time, and due to the lack of options, nearly EVERYONE bought Mario, Shadows of the Empire, etc. There were no other options. Sony looks to be doing the same right now in that they are shorting the supply, making everyone think they have to have the hottest toy (furby anyone? 😀), only they're doing it with hardware. Sony has stated they will have 1.3 (or something close to that) PS2's available before Dec. 25th rolls around. I don't doubt that figure ONE bit.
I honestly believe that PS2 will be hot till around Feburary when the die hard gamers and parents of children get their hands on one and then Sony will have to drop the price a bit to compete, because while the PS2 plays DVDs, most people don't buy a gaming machine for that function. I myself have zero use for the PS2 to be a DVD player as I have 2 table top players and a DVD drive in my PC. Hence, the PS2 is now just a really expensive machine that (thus far) doesn't show me any reason to purchase it when I'm quite happy with my Dreamcast.
Will the PS2 blow the PC away? Hardly. PC's have alot of advantages the PS2 just doesn't touch. Things such as upgradabilities, multi-media capabilities, varience of input devices, multitudes of graphical options, etc, just make the PC a better choice all around (in my opinion) to be called the "high powered gaming machine".
Course, those are just my opinions, some of them based on first hand experiences, some of them just on what I believe. I will say this, I worked at this same job during the N64's release when Nintendo had all of about 5 games to sell to consumers by Xmas time, and due to the lack of options, nearly EVERYONE bought Mario, Shadows of the Empire, etc. There were no other options. Sony looks to be doing the same right now in that they are shorting the supply, making everyone think they have to have the hottest toy (furby anyone? 😀), only they're doing it with hardware. Sony has stated they will have 1.3 (or something close to that) PS2's available before Dec. 25th rolls around. I don't doubt that figure ONE bit.
Did you guys even read your own posts?
The entire discussion is pointless. The fact is that the PC can do many things beside gaming, the trade off is the price. The gaming console system is well for gaming, uh duh! They wouldn't called it a gaming system if it was designed to install linux, do word processing or whatever. Its purpose? Yea that right!! GAMING!!! That is all it supposed to be!! Amazing huh?? If you want to do other things and play games at the same time, bust out the big bucks for some PC goodness.
Which is more powerful?
Depend on what your definition of power is. For a gaming console, is the Playstation 2 poweful? Yes sir it is! Is it better than the Dreamcast? On specs yes, reality? Who knows, there are way way too many factors like the developer ability to program the game, etc. Notice it is a fact that the Playstation 2 is very hard to develop for, people from Square, Konami, and many others admitted to this. It is so hard because there is no single way of doing something, the developers are given more power but we all know that it not necessarily a good thing in all cases. Then there is the PC. Is the playstation 2 gonna blow the PC away? Not very likely, PC is designed for the ability to upgrade the very core components such as the cpu and motherboard. Right now, the playstation 2 might have better graphic, but if you are thinking long term, then you are just plain stupid. Let's see...one piece of technology that stay unchange and...one that gets upgrade every months...hmmmm....[sarcasm]wow this is hard, might take some calculus calculations...[/sarcasm]
Will the PS2 be a success?
Most likely from current presale figures. The shortage is as Lokan said very highly likely done on purpose by Sony. Anyone who have taken Economics should know about supply and demand. Less supply + high demands = big bucks to make
Finally which system is the BEST?
Who give a sh!t. Everyone have different tastes and what is round to you might not be to me. Some prefer PC gaming while other stick with consoles. Unreal Tournament, Roller Coaster Tycoon, Starcraft, Diablo I & II are just a few of the titles that I like to play on the PC. Those are classics that can't be miss. I personally don't like first person shooter that much beside UT. Talking about classics, how can we forget the Final Fantasy series? The best damn series ever made or will. The people at Squaresoft knows how to develop games that make you think and wonder much like a good book. RPG games rock!
So whatever your decision or choice maybe, I respect them. Choose the platforms that you enjoy gaming on.
[edit] Above all remember that it is how fun the game is not how powerful the sytem!!!
The entire discussion is pointless. The fact is that the PC can do many things beside gaming, the trade off is the price. The gaming console system is well for gaming, uh duh! They wouldn't called it a gaming system if it was designed to install linux, do word processing or whatever. Its purpose? Yea that right!! GAMING!!! That is all it supposed to be!! Amazing huh?? If you want to do other things and play games at the same time, bust out the big bucks for some PC goodness.
Which is more powerful?
Depend on what your definition of power is. For a gaming console, is the Playstation 2 poweful? Yes sir it is! Is it better than the Dreamcast? On specs yes, reality? Who knows, there are way way too many factors like the developer ability to program the game, etc. Notice it is a fact that the Playstation 2 is very hard to develop for, people from Square, Konami, and many others admitted to this. It is so hard because there is no single way of doing something, the developers are given more power but we all know that it not necessarily a good thing in all cases. Then there is the PC. Is the playstation 2 gonna blow the PC away? Not very likely, PC is designed for the ability to upgrade the very core components such as the cpu and motherboard. Right now, the playstation 2 might have better graphic, but if you are thinking long term, then you are just plain stupid. Let's see...one piece of technology that stay unchange and...one that gets upgrade every months...hmmmm....[sarcasm]wow this is hard, might take some calculus calculations...[/sarcasm]
Will the PS2 be a success?
Most likely from current presale figures. The shortage is as Lokan said very highly likely done on purpose by Sony. Anyone who have taken Economics should know about supply and demand. Less supply + high demands = big bucks to make
Finally which system is the BEST?
Who give a sh!t. Everyone have different tastes and what is round to you might not be to me. Some prefer PC gaming while other stick with consoles. Unreal Tournament, Roller Coaster Tycoon, Starcraft, Diablo I & II are just a few of the titles that I like to play on the PC. Those are classics that can't be miss. I personally don't like first person shooter that much beside UT. Talking about classics, how can we forget the Final Fantasy series? The best damn series ever made or will. The people at Squaresoft knows how to develop games that make you think and wonder much like a good book. RPG games rock!
So whatever your decision or choice maybe, I respect them. Choose the platforms that you enjoy gaming on.
[edit] Above all remember that it is how fun the game is not how powerful the sytem!!!
ICyourNipple
Member
all i gotta say is that if anyone thinks the PS2's game lineup will compare to DC in the near future, you must be smoking some serious crack.
ICyourNipple,
No offense but let's look at the artillery. On the Sony's camp, there is Metal Gear: Sons of Liberty and Squaresoft support. On the Sega, nothing major caught my eyes last I read about them. But who knows what the future brings. I'll hold off till the victor emerged from the dust and go with that system.
No offense but let's look at the artillery. On the Sony's camp, there is Metal Gear: Sons of Liberty and Squaresoft support. On the Sega, nothing major caught my eyes last I read about them. But who knows what the future brings. I'll hold off till the victor emerged from the dust and go with that system.
PliotronX
Diamond Member
TGCid: I agree completely. It's all about gameplay, but graphics do play a small role in the whole experience, you know? But who cares if a game has graphics so realistic, you'll be having nightmares that you're the main character, without gameplay? After playing all the latest PC game titles in all their OpenGL/Glide/D3D glory, the PSX's graphics look so dang ugly, I'd almost rather play my old 2600 than the PSX, but the games are so bountiful, and so beautiful in gameplay, that I just love the PSX. Now looking at the way Sony is purposely constricting the supply of PS2s, solely for the purpose of making more money, I do not like. I will stay away from the PS2 until Armored Core 2 comes out (love the prequel 😉). My N64 is collecting dust like crazy, my PSX's motor is dying, and my computer is on 24/7..do the math 😀 Anyone know if the Xbox with it's almost PC-like architecture, be able to upgrade? That would be reason enough to buy it IMO. The Gamecube looks INTERESTING! Those minidiscs I love.
Lord Gwynz
Senior member
Will the PSX2 allow you to play online, multiplayer games via a broadband connection with minimum effort and cost right out the box?
Lord Gwynz:
That's definitely possible, Final Fantasy 11 will be an online game.
lotust:
<<Q3 sucks? sorry for you. I am sure you would have made a better game right? My only dislike on Q3 is the small board size and the lack of being able to blow $hit up like walls doors ect.....>>
Please dont be. The thing is, I like whatever I like and you have no right whatsoever to question my preference. Isnt this what America is all about? And no I dont have the ability to make a better game than Q3 but that doesnt change the fact that I think it sucks. Sure you can say UT sucks but guess what I dont care.
That's definitely possible, Final Fantasy 11 will be an online game.
lotust:
<<Q3 sucks? sorry for you. I am sure you would have made a better game right? My only dislike on Q3 is the small board size and the lack of being able to blow $hit up like walls doors ect.....>>
Please dont be. The thing is, I like whatever I like and you have no right whatsoever to question my preference. Isnt this what America is all about? And no I dont have the ability to make a better game than Q3 but that doesnt change the fact that I think it sucks. Sure you can say UT sucks but guess what I dont care.
Play Station 2...is a great piece of technology. The emotion engine just blew me away when they first introduced it to the media. When they first showed us the performance specs and the capabilities of this wonderful super game console...I was wondering in oblivion.
But it has taken too much time to get to the United States...we still can't buy them yet...and they are going to be at ridiculously high prices and low quantities. And now...many computers have caught up to the capabilities of the emotion engine if not surpassed.
Sony...missed a great opportunity, they hooked us like 2 years ago...but now the fish have gone.
Games have always been much better on computer, and because almost every house hold has one now...its much more convinient to install it on your comp.
Don't take this the wrong way...I love pS2...I would buy it if I could...but if we compare the worth to price ratio...the computer wins, hands down.
But it has taken too much time to get to the United States...we still can't buy them yet...and they are going to be at ridiculously high prices and low quantities. And now...many computers have caught up to the capabilities of the emotion engine if not surpassed.
Sony...missed a great opportunity, they hooked us like 2 years ago...but now the fish have gone.
Games have always been much better on computer, and because almost every house hold has one now...its much more convinient to install it on your comp.
Don't take this the wrong way...I love pS2...I would buy it if I could...but if we compare the worth to price ratio...the computer wins, hands down.
you can get a computer for free these days... and for about a grand you can do sufficient enough for great gaming. Its just that the computer is just more versatile.
The PS2 in it self is a COMPUTER...its just limited to what it can do...its geared to one thing...when computers are open to many tasks.
The PS2 in it self is a COMPUTER...its just limited to what it can do...its geared to one thing...when computers are open to many tasks.
Ok... this is the plan:
#1
Free computer - Adequate for internet, word processing and stuff...
$299 PS2 - Gaming.
#2
$1000 PC - Internet, word processing, gaming....
Look, don't they two overlap? So do you rather spend $299 or $1000?
The PS2 itself is NOT a computer, it was never meant to be and it never will be. It's a gaming console designed for playing games, it doesnt have the hardware and functions of a computers, but it has everything it needs to play games, which is what it was meant to do.
#1
Free computer - Adequate for internet, word processing and stuff...
$299 PS2 - Gaming.
#2
$1000 PC - Internet, word processing, gaming....
Look, don't they two overlap? So do you rather spend $299 or $1000?
The PS2 itself is NOT a computer, it was never meant to be and it never will be. It's a gaming console designed for playing games, it doesnt have the hardware and functions of a computers, but it has everything it needs to play games, which is what it was meant to do.
Do you know what a computer is? PS2 technically is a computer...it has a cpu, ram, gpu, input, output, all the essentialities for a computer.
Now I'm not saying dont buy a ps2 it sux, I'm not saying only buy computer worth 3000...all I'm saying is when you compare PS2 with a computer...if I had to choose to either take the ps2 or a computer...I'd choose the computer. Maybe you would choose ps2.
But when it comes down to it, computer is more useful...it can also play games, just as good as ps2, and it can do much much more. Now do you seriously think ps2 is going to stay at 299...when they only have "Limited quantities" for CHRISTMAS!?!?! Member the elmo doll, cabbage patch kids?
Computer is going to be the ultimate multimedia machine of the future...it already is. All games, movies, tv, audio, news, internet, shopping, work, and anything else you can think of...all through the computer. DOnt you see? its a necessity of life! Why do you think there are soo many websites and wonderful places like ANANDTECH...where all these people gather to dedicate their conversation on this one machine? Because its that darn important and valuable...the ps2 can't compete with that...I dont care if they hand it to you. Computer is much more.
Now I'm not saying dont buy a ps2 it sux, I'm not saying only buy computer worth 3000...all I'm saying is when you compare PS2 with a computer...if I had to choose to either take the ps2 or a computer...I'd choose the computer. Maybe you would choose ps2.
But when it comes down to it, computer is more useful...it can also play games, just as good as ps2, and it can do much much more. Now do you seriously think ps2 is going to stay at 299...when they only have "Limited quantities" for CHRISTMAS!?!?! Member the elmo doll, cabbage patch kids?
Computer is going to be the ultimate multimedia machine of the future...it already is. All games, movies, tv, audio, news, internet, shopping, work, and anything else you can think of...all through the computer. DOnt you see? its a necessity of life! Why do you think there are soo many websites and wonderful places like ANANDTECH...where all these people gather to dedicate their conversation on this one machine? Because its that darn important and valuable...the ps2 can't compete with that...I dont care if they hand it to you. Computer is much more.
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