The Peyton Manning Release Watch

[MetalMat]

Brees is being a big baby, bring in Peyton Manning!

 

[IndyColtsFan]

I heard on the radio that it was a done deal that he's going to Miami, just stretching things out and taking trips to boost the guaranteed money.

Probably true, but unless Miami plans on bringing in Wayne, Clark, and Freeney, I think his best chance for winning is in Denver (unless SF joins the fray).

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

I really think this is way overhyped. I mean the dude is 35/36 and coming off of 4 f'ing neck surgeries.
Kinda like Favre part 2 except ,have I mentioned it already, dude had 4 neck surgeries.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

I really think this is way overhyped. I mean the dude is 35/36 and coming off of 4 f'ing neck surgeries.
Kinda like Favre part 2 except ,have I mentioned it already, dude had 4 neck surgeries.

As I said before -- Manning at 50% is still a top 10 QB, and you can bet he won't play if he thinks he is only 50%.

 

[spidey07]

As I said before -- Manning at 50% is still a top 10 QB, and you can bet he won't play if he thinks he is only 50%.

Six foot six. 240 pounds. Laser rocket arm.

 

[blurredvision]

He's already in his brother's shadow.

Hardly anyone considers Eli a better QB than Peyton. An extra Super Bowl ring doesn't mean anything when history will look back on these two. In 40 years when you're building your all-dynasty team, you'd get laughed at if you put Eli on the roster before Peyton.

 

[hclarkjr]

skins have officially taken themselves out of the manning sweepstakes http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7...skins-acquire-no-2-overall-pick-st-louis-rams glad they did too

 

[Phokus]

skins have officially taken themselves out of the manning sweepstakes http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7...skins-acquire-no-2-overall-pick-st-louis-rams glad they did too

The skins are dumb, they mortgaged their entire future for one QB, who might bust.

 

[hclarkjr]

i do not think they did. they still have a lot of picks in the latter rounds this year.

 

[lothar]

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-s...wks-chiefs-manning-sweepstakes-012740075.html

 

[IndyColtsFan]

LOL at the Seahawks.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Bud Adams wants Peyton in a Titans uniform. Posturing for the 'locals' (UT football fans) or legit interest?

 

[ichy]

The skins are dumb, they mortgaged their entire future for one QB, who might bust.

I don't know how true this is (could be internet nonsense) but supposedly the Redskins used the NFL's uncapped year to front load a lot of contracts and free up lots of salary cap space down the road. This supposedly means they'll have a lot more flexibility in free agency and can use that to at least partially make up for the draft picks they traded away.

 

[MotionMan]

The skins are dumb, they mortgaged their entire future for one QB, who might bust.

Using the trade value chart, it looks dicy for the Redskins:

Redskins Receive:
2012 No. 2 Pick - Value 2,600
Total Value: 2,600

Rams Receive:
2012 No. 6 Pick - Value 1,600
2012 No. 38 Pick - Value 520
2013 1st Round Pick - Minimum Value 590
2014 1st Round Pick - Minimum Value 590
Total Minimum Value: 3,300

Of course, if the beloved patriot 1st Round picks are the minimum in 2013 and 2014, that would mean that they won the Super Bowl in those two years, so the draft chart numbers would not matter much. However, that scenario seems somewhat unlikely.

MotionMan

 

[crashtestdummy]

Using the trade value chart, it looks dicy for the Redskins:

Redskins Receive:
2012 No. 2 Pick - Value 2,600
Total Value: 2,600

Rams Receive:
2012 No. 6 Pick - Value 1,600
2012 No. 38 Pick - Value 520
2013 1st Round Pick - Minimum Value 590
2014 1st Round Pick - Minimum Value 590
Total Minimum Value: 3,300

Of course, if the beloved patriot 1st Round picks are the minimum in 2013 and 2014, that would mean that they won the Super Bowl in those two years, so the draft chart numbers would not matter much. However, that scenario seems somewhat unlikely.

MotionMan

I get the trade chart, but it doesn't say everything. If RGIII is going to be their franchise quarterback for the next decade, no one will remember this trade (no one talks about the Eli Manning trade any more, but the Giants gave up quite a bit for him). If he doesn't become that great, chances are the Skins wouldn't have become a contender even with the picks (Dan Snyder is running the team, after all).

 

[MotionMan]

I get the trade chart, but it doesn't say everything. If RGIII is going to be their franchise quarterback for the next decade, no one will remember this trade (no one talks about the Eli Manning trade any more, but the Giants gave up quite a bit for him). If he doesn't become that great, chances are the Skins wouldn't have become a contender even with the picks (Dan Snyder is running the team, after all).

Clearly it is hard to evaluate any trade until all the players involved have retired, and, still, hard even then. What if Griffin turns out to be a great QB, but the Skins don't win the Super Bowl, was it a good trade (What would you trade for Dan Marino in 1983 knowing what you know now)? What if all the picks the Rams get turn out to be busts, but the Rams win the Super Bowl anyway? What if Griffin is great, one of the Rams' picks turns into a HOF player, but neither the Skins or Rams win a Super Bowl during their careers?

That is why I use the chart at this point.

MotionMan

 

[mvbighead]

For me, the RG3 trade by the Skins seems to be moot. They are by and large a FA acquisition type of team. X player hits the market, they go after them. One of the most dominant DTs in the game with potential laziness issues, sign him to the largest contract ever.

So, they trade into the 2nd overall spot, and give away 2 extra first round picks. Not really a big deal, because they'll look to sign the next big guy in FA.

As MotionMan was getting at, you'll never really know about the success or failure of the trade. I for one can't argue against either team. The price seems steep, but the Rams felt they didn't need RG3 who is the consensus #2 pick EVERYWHERE. So, trade him out, and end up with a king's ransom.

Should Blackmon not fall to them at 6, they'll have 4 first round picks in the next two years to try and find a dominant target for their QB.

 

[Deeko]

I get the trade chart, but it doesn't say everything. If RGIII is going to be their franchise quarterback for the next decade, no one will remember this trade (no one talks about the Eli Manning trade any more, but the Giants gave up quite a bit for him). If he doesn't become that great, chances are the Skins wouldn't have become a contender even with the picks (Dan Snyder is running the team, after all).

Well, the Giants gave up less to get Eli, and the argument largely relied on the fact that they were still getting a great QB. However, in general you're right - if Griffin ends up a legit star, it doesn't matter.

 

[IAteYourMother]

For me, the RG3 trade by the Skins seems to be moot. They are by and large a FA acquisition type of team. X player hits the market, they go after them. One of the most dominant DTs in the game with potential laziness issues, sign him to the largest contract ever.

So, they trade into the 2nd overall spot, and give away 2 extra first round picks. Not really a big deal, because they'll look to sign the next big guy in FA.

I'm not sure how you can actually believe that, any football team is largely built through the draft. The Redskins have historically spent big on a marquee free agent, but that hardly replaces 1st round pick value, given that very few good, young free agents are available due to franchise tags and such. With the salary cap, you can't just tie up your money in aging free agents, you need to draft top talent to be competitive.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Hopefully Barkley is the consensus #1 pick next year, since my Colts look like they're going to own that pick again and will hopefully be able to pull a St. Louis on someone.

 

[MotionMan]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7...s-washington-redskins-lose-millions-cap-space

I wonder if this played at all into the Redskins trading 4 high picks for 1 - Fewer big 1st round draft contracts to deal with?

Then again, the rookie cap may have taken care of that problem. Who knows?

MotionMan

 

[IndyColtsFan]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7...s-washington-redskins-lose-millions-cap-space

I wonder if this played at all into the Redskins trading 4 high picks for 1 - Fewer big 1st round draft contracts to deal with?

Then again, the rookie cap may have taken care of that problem. Who knows?

MotionMan

Thanks for the link -- I started a thread a little earlier about this:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2232088

 

[mvbighead]

I'm not sure how you can actually believe that, any football team is largely built through the draft. The Redskins have historically spent big on a marquee free agent, but that hardly replaces 1st round pick value, given that very few good, young free agents are available due to franchise tags and such. With the salary cap, you can't just tie up your money in aging free agents, you need to draft top talent to be competitive.

Most teams are built primarily through the draft. Free agent acquisitions usually simply fill holes, and occasionally a big signing for certain teams.

The Redskins tend to build their team a bit more 50/50, and actually more towards free agency. They tend to trade picks just about as much as they use them.

In any case, 1st round value wasn't really prominent as early picks were just about as bad pricewise as free agent signings.

In any case, if they feel RG3 can give them Falcon's Vick like performance (minus the dog thing), then it is a trade that may wind up being worth what they gave up. In any case, now instead of drafting top talent in round 1, they'll have to hope round 2 picks pan out, or that they find a gem later on, or even find a FA worth pursuing.

As for good FA's being available, Vincent Jackson is out there. There are others as well that are shopping their services. Just a matter of money and building a quality team that players are drawn to. If RG3 pans out, you might find a few who want to play along side him.

 

[zinfamous]

ok so my thread got looked in 2 sec flat but I'll post it here. A server got fired for posting the bill online. This is Peyton Manning tip and bill.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-s...generous-tip-server-gets-fired-210105919.html

whoa...Angus Barn. fancypants.

What was he doing in Raleigh?

:hmm:

and lol at the "journalist." "The only surprising thing is that a restaurant with the word 'Barn' in its name would be so pricey."

Idiot.

Hell, 60 minutes devoted an hour-long episode to the Angus Barn about 12 years ago.

 

[zinfamous]

i do not think they did. they still have a lot of picks in the latter rounds this year.

Well, if it's true that they have plenty of salary cap room to make serious moves in the free agency pool, then it might not be so bad...

But it says they are still serious about pursuing Manning?

wtf?

Does Dan Snyder think that Manning will play for his team?