The Perception Gap

[mindless1]

Ah, yes. Classic.

Strongman Trump is the libruuls fault, because, uh, society is changing and I don't like it!

Tired of winning, indeed.

So you concede defeat by posting nothing but blah blah blah?

Face the truth. You are an individual. Your are entitled to whatever opinion you have, yet despite how offensive trump is, he managed to become president. Society changing is a nonsense idea, obama pandered to youth idealisms and when one grows up, those don't pan out. They don't pan out for anyone once some thought is put into the impossibility of who is going to pay for it all.

This is a slap in the face to idiots who don't get it. America basically voted to do anything except what obama was doing. We would have elected a pig wearing lipstick to just stop the insanity. Wait. We might have elected a pig wearing lipstick. I'm still right.

 

[ecogen]

How did you decide what makes a view “extreme”?

We designated views as “extreme” on the basis as that is what people’s political opponents would call such views. We used data from the Hidden Tribes project and external sources (shown on page 56 of the report) to support the assumption that each a particular view would be characterized as “extreme” by members of the other political party. As shown in the data, a key finding is that the number of people on either side of the political spectrum who hold such views is much smaller than one might think.

That seems like a pretty stupid way to identify what is "extreme". I bet Republicans think universal healthcare and free college are extreme positions when they are pretty much the norm for most developed countries.

 

[pmv]

Curious whether the results they quote on their paper are based on this form of the survey, where some of the questions are the wrong way round.

Above all though I would argue that it doesn't mean much because they can't say what the respondants understand as the meanings of the words in their questions. Asking someone about 'socialism' or 'controlled immigration' means nothing if you don't know what those replying understand by those terms. The whole thing is just excessively based on words and self-descriptions, which don't necessarily match actions or voting behaviour.

 

[pmv]

You still don't GET IT.

It doesn't matter. What matters is that as awful a candidate as trump was, he still managed to get the votes he did, despite those who voted against him for other reasons.

This is a very clear sign the america is tired of the leftist nonsense.

Seems to me it's more a clear sign that much of America is confused by the fact the system they think they love isn't working out for them. It's not as if the US had any leftism prior to Trump, nonsensical or otherwise. What it had was a financial crisis, caused by the very system Trump voters thought they loved.

 

[ewdotson]

Seems to me it's more a clear sign that much of America is confused by the fact the system they think they love isn't working out for them. It's not as if the US had any leftism prior to Trump, nonsensical or otherwise. What it had was a financial crisis, caused by the very system Trump voters thought they loved.

Yeah, but who are they supposed to believe? Fox News or their lying eyes?

 

[Paratus]

You still don't GET IT.

It doesn't matter. What matters is that as awful a candidate as trump was, he still managed to get the votes he did, despite those who voted against him for other reasons.

This is a very clear sign the america is tired of the leftist nonsense.

If it had been a solid candidate instead of trump, it would have been a landslide win.

It's not trump who is the victor here, it's freedom instead of f-tards imposing upon hard working americans.

What has trump done really? Besides being a pig, he has reversed the nonsense. Government should get smaller and you should earn your own way in life not playing shell games to cheat.

It's not about Trump. It's about the stupidity that is the modern democratic party. The republicans also have their own idiots, don't think that I align with either extreme view.

This is the problem, a constant battle between two extremes instead of a sane middle ground.



Yes Obama was. Obama was good at being a politician, saying what people wanted to hear, but was impossible and drug the country down following unicorns. Obama was either a blatant liar or an ingnorant (stupid) dreamer, take you pick but either is not fit for a president.

The same could be said about most politicians, unfortunately winning a popularity contest means you devoted your time to do that while those most fit to make good decisions, are busy doing that and then subject to the politicians.

Bless your heart!

 

[Commodus]

You still don't GET IT.

It doesn't matter. What matters is that as awful a candidate as trump was, he still managed to get the votes he did, despite those who voted against him for other reasons.

This is a very clear sign the america is tired of the leftist nonsense.

If it had been a solid candidate instead of trump, it would have been a landslide win.

It's not trump who is the victor here, it's freedom instead of f-tards imposing upon hard working americans.

What has trump done really? Besides being a pig, he has reversed the nonsense. Government should get smaller and you should earn your own way in life not playing shell games to cheat.

It's not about Trump. It's about the stupidity that is the modern democratic party. The republicans also have their own idiots, don't think that I align with either extreme view.

This is the problem, a constant battle between two extremes instead of a sane middle ground.

Er, no, you're the one who doesn't get it, and doubling down on your lie doesn't change that it's a lie.

MORE AMERICAN VOTERS CHOSE CLINTON. Read that until you accept the absolute truth of it. And if you include independents, the majority of people didn't want Trump or the Republicans. Trump won because he had enough votes in the right areas (thanks in part to Republicans rigging elections) in spite of the will of the people.

The country was not "tired of the leftist nonsense;" it may not have been as enthusiastic for it as it was in 2008 and 2012, but if it had actually been tired of it, you would have seen a significant swing in the popular vote. And how do you explain the large shift back toward the Democrats in 2018? Sure seems like people weren't tired of the left several months ago.

Trump has done a lot of damage; you may choose to ignore it, but it's there. He has ignored climate science to pander to the fossil fuel companies bribing the Republican party. And there's a difference between basic deregulation and irresponsible deregulation -- it's not promoting small government when you let companies dump toxic chemicals into waterways, or let your ISP sell your personal data and block competing video services; that's just kowtowing to lobbyists.

Oh, and let's not forget things like making health care less accessible, stepping up discrimination against LGBT people, and cutting taxes for the rich while offering only temporary cuts for everyone else. And you can be sure that the "party of personal responsibility" will try to pretend it's the Democrats' fault when they restore taxes and rein in spending to make up for the financial damage of the Trump era.

"Small government" also doesn't involve appointing cabinet members who either have conflicts of interest with their own positions or are chosen for mindless loyalty rather than competence. It certainly doesn't mean having an autocratic, corrupt leader who bypasses Congress in irresponsible and potentially illegal ways to get what he wants.

I have to ask a question. It's well-established that Biden is more of a centrist. He's that return to the middle that you claim to want. If he wins the primary, then, will you do the only acceptable thing and vote Democrat in 2020?

 

[Stryke1983]

The survey's goal is interesting and would actually be useful. But, it's so heavily flawed as to be useless. The fact that the questions were meant to be the opposite of what they inferred automatically means the results have to be discarded. You also have issues with some of the specific questions, such as the socialism one. The United States is a socialist country already... partially. It has a huge range of socialist programs. But I bet many people would have Soviet Russia in their heads when that word comes to mind. So there are two major areas where respondents are all answering different questions but being lumped together under the same response.

Even if you ignore all the technical flaws in it's execution, you still just run into the issue of measuring your perception of the other party compared to THEIR perception of themselves. Republicans aren't going to consider themselves anti legal immigrant or racist. But, for example, their administration's policies have, in various cases, been targeted against immigrants regardless of status. So the survey results say Democrats don't understand Republicans. But the reality is actually that Republicans are being judged on their actions, rather than the more civilised version of themselves they like to see or portray. It's a sweeping statement that groups together a lot of people with different views under one banner, but that's exactly what the survey does so it's appropriate in this case,

 

[nickqt]

So you concede defeat by posting nothing but blah blah blah?

Face the truth. You are an individual. Your are entitled to whatever opinion you have, yet despite how offensive trump is, he managed to become president. Society changing is a nonsense idea, obama pandered to youth idealisms and when one grows up, those don't pan out. They don't pan out for anyone once some thought is put into the impossibility of who is going to pay for it all.

This is a slap in the face to idiots who don't get it. America basically voted to do anything except what obama was doing. We would have elected a pig wearing lipstick to just stop the insanity. Wait. We might have elected a pig wearing lipstick. I'm still right.

America basically voted for Hillary Clinton, but the Electoral College basically voted for Strongman Trump.

I'm sorry you can't handle the changes that are happening in society. Voting for politicians to try to prevent those changes is your choice.

All you're doing is postponing the inevitable. But hey, you do you, champ.