The people did NOT vote for Trump

[Kazukian]

1,221,480 (cookport) is the lead right now, up 59,918 from previous post.

Also;

Also;
http://www.ktvb.com/news/politics/e...ceiving-pressure-to-sway-from-trump/352778541
http://www.9news.com/entertainment/...nts-electoral-college-to-dump-trump/352671785
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattve...-after-obtaining-private-information-n2246590
http://www.fox10phoenix.com/politics/217790928-story
http://www.mymeridianpress.com/meri...cle_73e2cbf3-4bba-5b2e-beca-afeaa96917a7.html
http://www.myajc.com/news/news/stat...electors-say-they-wont-be-swayed-from-/ns84W/
http://natmonitor.com/2016/11/15/dear-electors-please-vote-for-hillary/
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/16/democrats-recurring-electoral-amnesia.html

The electors are people as well and might follow the "did NOT" vote for Trump. This might give the win to H. Clinton or push it to the House. In which, the House would be a sure win for H. Clinton. Where we all will look back and say "Damn, that was a pretty contested win for the first woman president."

Here's a deal for you, $1000 PayPal Trump wins the EV.

I'll take the bet with anyone. Rossman can monitor the funds if he agrees.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

The denial is strong with NostaSeronx.

 

[SP33Demon]

1,221,480 (cookport) is the lead right now, up 59,918 from previous post.

Also;

Also;
http://www.ktvb.com/news/politics/e...ceiving-pressure-to-sway-from-trump/352778541
http://www.9news.com/entertainment/...nts-electoral-college-to-dump-trump/352671785
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattve...-after-obtaining-private-information-n2246590
http://www.fox10phoenix.com/politics/217790928-story
http://www.mymeridianpress.com/meri...cle_73e2cbf3-4bba-5b2e-beca-afeaa96917a7.html
http://www.myajc.com/news/news/stat...electors-say-they-wont-be-swayed-from-/ns84W/
http://natmonitor.com/2016/11/15/dear-electors-please-vote-for-hillary/
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/16/democrats-recurring-electoral-amnesia.html

The electors are people as well and might follow the "did NOT" vote for Trump. This might give the win to H. Clinton or push it to the House. In which, the House would be a sure win for H. Clinton. Where we all will look back and say "Damn, that was a pretty contested win for the first woman president."

My god you're dumb for investing energy into this. Like others said, in order to adjust you're going to have to move past the denial stage, champ

 

[NostaSeronx]

For Hillary Rodham-Clinton to get elected, all it takes is for Trump supporters to do nothing. While, the protestors against Trump have already stated; "nationwide protests are ‘just a taste of things to come’"

Here's a deal for you, $1000 PayPal Trump wins the EV.

No thanks. Any deals will have to be negotiated after voter rigging and voter fraud have been successfully canvassed. That is Nov 22 in some states to Nov 28th being the Gov. stating the absolute, finalized results.

 

[brycejones]

For Hillary Rodham-Clinton to get elected, all it takes is for Trump supporters to do nothing. While, the protestors against Trump have already stated; "nationwide protests are ‘just a taste of things to come’"
No thanks. Any deals will have to be negotiated after voter rigging and voter fraud have been successfully canvassed. That is Nov 22 in some states to Nov 28th being the Gov. stating the absolute, finalized results.

Just checking in, has Hillary won Michigan, Florida, Ohio or Wisconsin yet? You were positive those were going to swing to blue states. Why hasn't it happened yet? Are they still counting those 800K missing absentee votes in Florida?

 

[Kazukian]

For Hillary Rodham-Clinton to get elected, all it takes is for Trump supporters to do nothing. While, the protestors against Trump have already stated; "nationwide protests are ‘just a taste of things to come’"
No thanks. Any deals will have to be negotiated after voter rigging and voter fraud have been successfully canvassed. That is Nov 22 in some states to Nov 28th being the Gov. stating the absolute, finalized results.

So the truth is you don't even believe the crap you're posting. How about $100 then?

 

[pcgeek11]

1,221,480 (cookport) is the lead right now, up 59,918 from previous post.

Also;

Also;
http://www.ktvb.com/news/politics/e...ceiving-pressure-to-sway-from-trump/352778541
http://www.9news.com/entertainment/...nts-electoral-college-to-dump-trump/352671785
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattve...-after-obtaining-private-information-n2246590
http://www.fox10phoenix.com/politics/217790928-story
http://www.mymeridianpress.com/meri...cle_73e2cbf3-4bba-5b2e-beca-afeaa96917a7.html
http://www.myajc.com/news/news/stat...electors-say-they-wont-be-swayed-from-/ns84W/
http://natmonitor.com/2016/11/15/dear-electors-please-vote-for-hillary/
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/16/democrats-recurring-electoral-amnesia.html

The electors are people as well and might follow the "did NOT" vote for Trump. This might give the win to H. Clinton or push it to the House. In which, the House would be a sure win for H. Clinton. Where we all will look back and say "Damn, that was a pretty contested win for the first woman president."

Are you on fucking drugs? Seriously.

 

[Zaap]

My god you're dumb for investing energy into this. Like others said, in order to adjust you're going to have to move past the denial stage, champ

He has.

Unfortunately as DS's chart above your post shows, that stage is 'Emotional Outbursts.'

Many Hillary fans on this forum are clearly going through that stage as well.

It'll probably be closing in on 2020 before many make it around to the 'New Patterns... hope... etc etc" stages.

 

[buckshot24]

Just curious if these people are stupid or just desperate. The popular vote does not matter. If it did, Trump and Hillary wouldn't have spent so much f'n time in the smaller swing states. Trump might have actually visited larger population centers to get more people to come out and vote for him. What is it going to take for people like NostaSeronx to realize that all of the bitching, moaning, and hoping isn't going to change anything? I am sure after Jan. 20th, 2017, they will still be in the bargaining stages.

When you say something like this you can see the look of dissonance come over their faces. They know this but it is terribly damaging to their hopes and dreams that Trump won't be sworn in, so they can't hear it.

 

[sportage]

Imagine if the THE BEATLES had never came to the United States.
Well, that loss equals Hillary never becoming president.
The country will become a little darker, and the colors grim.
We are about to enter a dim black & white era where life is boring, dull, and it's people kept in the dark.
And America will seem just.... off.

 

[buckshot24]

Imagine if the THE BEATLES had never came to the United States.
Well, that loss equals Hillary never becoming president.
The country will become a little darker, and the colors grim.
We are about to enter a dim black & white era where life is boring, dull, and it's people kept in the dark.
And America will seem just.... off.

haha, you'll be ok.

 

[pcgeek11]

Imagine if the THE BEATLES had never came to the United States.
Well, that loss equals Hillary never becoming president.
The country will become a little darker, and the colors grim.
We are about to enter a dim black & white era where life is boring, dull, and it's people kept in the dark.
And America will seem just.... off.

LOL!

 

[lopri]

The discrepancy between popular vote winner and electoral college winner is of course a problem. If that were not the case there would not be high profile people (including Trump himself) trying to mitigate the damage it might inflict. Trump won the election fair and square, I do not believe anyone is seriously challenging that. But at the same time he and his allies cannot say that more people voted for him than for Clinton. That has got to hurt.

I initially thought the gap was not that big, but at 1.4 M votes as of now, that is more than 2% of votes cast for either candidate (60M+) and it is projected to grow even bigger. At this point I cannot say the pre-election polls were very wrong.

 

[pcgeek11]

It's not like it hasn't happened before. And as you said Fair and Square.

 

[Double Trouble]

The discrepancy between popular vote winner and electoral college winner is of course a problem. If that were not the case there would not be high profile people (including Trump himself) trying to mitigate the damage it might inflict. Trump won the election fair and square, I do not believe anyone is seriously challenging that. But at the same time he and his allies cannot say that more people voted for him than for Clinton. That has got to hurt.

I initially thought the gap was not that big, but at 1.4 M votes as of now, that is more than 2% of votes cast for either candidate (60M+) and it is projected to grow even bigger. At this point I cannot say the pre-election polls were very wrong.

Yes, one team gained more yards on offense, allowed fewer yards on defense and got more first downs. It doesn't mean anything when the rules say points are the only thing that matter. If the election was based on popular vote obviously all the mechanics of campaigns and the election would be different. Trump focused on specific states to win the electoral votes needed. If it was purely based on total votes, the focus would have been on all the major population centers.

I don't know if that would have made any difference or not, but the popular vote is a meaningless statistic, just like "total yards" would be in football if you lost the game.

 

[lopri]

Sure it is meaningless. Same way popular vote would be meaningless if Dem's primary were decided by Superdelegates. But nevertheless you would hear lots about it.

 

[werepossum]

This is how things turned out in my Duval Country which is not the highest population in the state but it is the largest city area wise. The split between R & D is very close, however too many people opted to not vote this time. With 90 million people nationwide sitting this one out the results are proof that getting the vote out is important.

And if the parties have a little extra time, money and energy after maximizing their respective get-out-the-vote operations, they might even consider not electing candidates who are turd sandwiches or giant douchebags. Just sayin' that less time trying to force the nomination of a horrible person and more time trying to nominate a better candidate would have payed off big time. The Pubbies did try their best and somehow squeaked by in spite of themselves, but the Democrats actively gamed the system to get this horrible candidate and then found they could not sell her to enough Americans in enough states. It would be nice if at least the losing party in D.C. for once could learn the correct lesson.

Would it be then be a good idea to extend it to state elections as well? Some/Most states have the same problem if you zoom in.

States are certainly free to amend their laws to do so, if they consider that in their best interests.

What's missing is that there is this myth that the electoral college has operated as it does since the start of the country, when in fact this is not true. The winner-take-all did not become the dominant standard until the late 1820s. Some of the founders actually envisioned electors being chosen by region, becoming informed on the possible candidates, then making an informed vote - which makes quite a lot of sense: think about New York - upstate NY is much more conservative than NYC, but thanks to the existing model, they're basically ignored. The current model does away with what was originally intended and leaves us with a system that actually drowns out the minority voices in safe states, leaving people to campaign in just a handful of swing states (that don't happen to be that small to start with).

I don't think anyone here is under the assumption that the electoral college is operating exactly as it operated originally, but arguing that it "does away with what was originally intended and leaves us with a system that actually drowns out the minority voices in safe states, leaving people to campaign in just a handful of swing states" bears no resemblance to reality. In this cycle the Republicans and Democrats were both forced to defend states they consider safe, and the Republicans flipped several. Many of us would prefer a return to original precepts, especially such as Senators being appointed or elected by state lawmakers to represent the state's interests (although we've seen party become such a powerful driver that I have my doubts it would make much difference) but it's quite important to remember that states are free to arrange their own electoral votes as they wish, to maximize their own interests.

As an aside, the never-ending tendency to try concentrating power into fewer and fewer hands is once of the very worst things about the American left. All of us are smarter than some of us, even if you personally dislike the decisions and values of other Americans.

 

[LegendKiller]

Imagine if the THE BEATLES had never came to the United States.
Well, that loss equals Hillary never becoming president.
The country will become a little darker, and the colors grim.
We are about to enter a dim black & white era where life is boring, dull, and it's people kept in the dark.
And America will seem just.... off.

lol. Poor baby.

 

[LegendKiller]

The discrepancy between popular vote winner and electoral college winner is of course a problem. If that were not the case there would not be high profile people (including Trump himself) trying to mitigate the damage it might inflict. Trump won the election fair and square, I do not believe anyone is seriously challenging that. But at the same time he and his allies cannot say that more people voted for him than for Clinton. That has got to hurt.

I initially thought the gap was not that big, but at 1.4 M votes as of now, that is more than 2% of votes cast for either candidate (60M+) and it is projected to grow even bigger. At this point I cannot say the pre-election polls were very wrong.

Why is it a problem?

Hillary has pretty much won the difference in the popular vote by the entire marginal difference between 49 states and CA. So you're telling me Mexifornia should decide what the entire US should do?

 

[Brainonska511]

Many of us would prefer a return to original precepts, especially such as Senators being appointed or elected by state lawmakers to represent the state's interests (although we've seen party become such a powerful driver that I have my doubts it would make much difference) but it's quite important to remember that states are free to arrange their own electoral votes as they wish, to maximize their own interests.

Senators still do represent state interests. The government of a state is effectively the people of a state. By the people electing their senators directly, the senators are representing the interests of the state.

 

[LegendKiller]

I love this "but the popular vote!" bullshit. You don't win football by yards per game, you win it by scoring. Everybody knows this. You can't use an alternative measure after the game is done to say somebody else won.

This country is not a democracy and hopefully never will be.

But i do like that the #1 lesson learned by the Democrats is that they need to be MORE left. After the lefty bullshit of the last 8 years destroyed their state legislature and governorship position, I look forward to 100% more socialist from them. It'll work out just fine. lol.

 

[werepossum]

Senators still do represent state interests. The government of a state is effectively the people of a state. By the people electing their senators directly, the senators are representing the interests of the state.

To a degree. But the hierarchy seems to run: Me > party > constituents > country < principles. Maybe we can't stop a politician from putting her own interests before ours, but by making Senators subject to popular vote, we guarantee that they put party interests ahead of ours, if only because the party can assist their ambitions much more than can we.

 

[NostaSeronx]

1,342,001 current Clinton lead, up from 120,521 previous post.

Some posts;
http://www.indcatholicnews.com/news.php?viewStory=31364
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-schultz/its-not-too-late-the-elec_b_13022210.html
https://www.bustle.com/articles/195...o-change-their-vote-sure-they-could-rebel-but
http://www.inquisitr.com/3707789/po...nsas-combined-are-you-fine-with-that-opinion/
http://www.presstelegram.com/govern...-starts-viral-petition-over-electoral-college

https://www.change.org/p/electoral-...make-hillary-clinton-president-on-december-19
Petition finally moved to 4.4m

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

^ Eventually that bubble is going to pop and it's not going to be pretty.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

^ Eventually that bubble is going to pop and it's not going to be pretty.

The secret is to not be living next door to him when Trump is sworn in. You're likely to be hit with shrapnel when his head finally explodes.