The people did NOT vote for Trump

[BonzaiDuck]

I've thought about starting my own Civil War as a sort of passive resistance.

I was going to get the latest database of voters from the county registrar -- "to do research." Then, I'd pick a new dentist, car-mechanic, haberdasher, smoke-shop or grocery store with an owner or employees who didn't vote for Trump and didn't vote Republican. Since I have a dental appointment Monday, this thought has been foremost in my mind.

But it occurs to me that while I suspect Trump voters of being alien pod-people from another planet, if my business contacts are actually human, they only count for one-fourth of a person in the electoral college -- no different than I. Despite their vote, they had nothing really to do with electing Trump.

So I'm going to defer that decision. Even so, I think it's a good idea. We're going to need more good ideas in the near future. Sheep-dipping a neo-Nazi in a book building who was angry for being evicted unable to pay Trump's rent -- that's not one of them.

Of course, if there were a video loop as a result, I'd watch it endlessly, drinking beer after beer in celebration.

 

[Puffnstuff]

You guys all talk a good game but if you did manage to meet someplace it would be need an eating establishment and then you'd all get hungry and have to go inside only to discover it's a sports bar with a grill and then a game would come on the big screen and then you'd have a few drinks with your meal and forget about your differences. Emotions run high at times like these and we'll all pull up our big boy pants and move along.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

You guys all talk a good game but if you did manage to meet someplace it would be need an eating establishment and then you'd all get hungry and have to go inside only to discover it's a sports bar with a grill and then a game would come on the big screen and then you'd have a few drinks with your meal and forget about your differences. Emotions run high at times like these and we'll all pull up our big boy pants and move along.

You can say that. However, I avoid places like that, because I'm likely to provoke a situation where I might just be able to commit self-defense. I almost relish the thought. The other day, I had a fantasy about starting a meat-packing business, putting out ads for "employees" to solve America's labor problem. Screening them politically, the applicants go in the front door. From the back door, little white paper packages go out, destined for Third World fast-food chains and their unsuspecting purchasing agents.

So we're not going to sit down for a Kum-bay-yah moment, hold hands and pray. Midterms are just around the corner, but who can predict that? I'm going to sit here, take notes, write letters. Maybe, I'll make predictions. Occasionally, I might watch "Silence of the Lambs" or "Hannibal."

For the time being, I don't even want to go out in public with this level of constant anger. Just what will I be tempted to say to my dentist or car-mechanic? I really, really, really like to piss people off. Especially, when I'm this pissed off myself.

 

[Blue_Max]

You can say that. However, I avoid places like that, because I'm likely to provoke a situation where I might just be able to commit self-defense. I almost relish the thought.

First, one doesn't "commit" self-defense - it's supposed to only happen if an unprovoked aggressor attacks you.
Second, with the level of intent AND hostility you've displayed - you'd be deliberately provoking people, thus don't get to claim "self-defense".

 

[HamburgerBoy]

You can say that. However, I avoid places like that, because I'm likely to provoke a situation where I might just be able to commit self-defense. I almost relish the thought. The other day, I had a fantasy about starting a meat-packing business, putting out ads for "employees" to solve America's labor problem. Screening them politically, the applicants go in the front door. From the back door, little white paper packages go out, destined for Third World fast-food chains and their unsuspecting purchasing agents.

So we're not going to sit down for a Kum-bay-yah moment, hold hands and pray. Midterms are just around the corner, but who can predict that? I'm going to sit here, take notes, write letters. Maybe, I'll make predictions. Occasionally, I might watch "Silence of the Lambs" or "Hannibal."

For the time being, I don't even want to go out in public with this level of constant anger. Just what will I be tempted to say to my dentist or car-mechanic? I really, really, really like to piss people off. Especially, when I'm this pissed off myself.

Is this a parody post? I feel like it is.

 

[OutHouse]

You can say that. However, I avoid places like that, because I'm likely to provoke a situation where I might just be able to commit self-defense. I almost relish the thought. The other day, I had a fantasy about starting a meat-packing business, putting out ads for "employees" to solve America's labor problem. Screening them politically, the applicants go in the front door. From the back door, little white paper packages go out, destined for Third World fast-food chains and their unsuspecting purchasing agents.

So we're not going to sit down for a Kum-bay-yah moment, hold hands and pray. Midterms are just around the corner, but who can predict that? I'm going to sit here, take notes, write letters. Maybe, I'll make predictions. Occasionally, I might watch "Silence of the Lambs" or "Hannibal."

For the time being, I don't even want to go out in public with this level of constant anger. Just what will I be tempted to say to my dentist or car-mechanic? I really, really, really like to piss people off. Especially, when I'm this pissed off myself.

seek help. lots of it.

 

[jman19]

First, one doesn't "commit" self-defense - it's supposed to only happen if an unprovoked aggressor attacks you.
Second, with the level of intent AND hostility you've displayed - you'd be deliberately provoking people, thus don't get to claim "self-defense".

This is the part of the post you had a problem with? Lol.

 

[OutHouse]

People don't campaign in Idaho or Montana now, in case you didn't notice, haha.

ever hear the term "Safe States"? both sides have them and is why those states are not campaigned in. California used to be a Red safe state for decades. but now its solid Blue. why would DT or HC waste time and money in that state.

 

[OutHouse]

Every system is perfectly designed to get the results it gets. Of course, the results may not be the ones you intend, and your intentions may not be good.

In this case, we can try to answer a few things:
1. What were the intents behind the EC system we have?
2. Are those intents the right ones (anymore)?
3. Is the system producing results in line with thous intents?

My (incomplete) answers to these questions:
1. Clearly there were some intents behind the EC beyond enhancing representation to the little guys for fear of them being left out of our national agenda (from an executive branch side of things), but that to me seems to be the most important intent that is relevant today. I think it's easy to approximate why the founding fathers chose to set up government the way they have if we merely look at the fact that they were trying to inject as many protections they could against the tyranny they faced from Britain, and among this strongly is being a tiny piece of the whole with no representation. Among it also is the desire for the people to have power to resist government if it gets tyrranical.

2. I think the intents I outline in 1 are, at worst, minimally bad. Personally, I think the intent is actually pretty good, but that is merely my opinion based on my values. I do think that our government today has far outgrown the capacities to radically change it regardless of it being or becoming tyrranical, and not that it is merely that our system of meeting this intent is not good enough. I (personally) don't envision a way to give people sufficient enough power against our government to radically change it without this being very dangerous. I imagine in the 18th century this was very different.

3. We are electing a president through EC that wins the popular vote unless the race is very close, so for this argument we ought pay more attention to the fact that our races are very close instead. So, mostly, passionate calls for popular vote are IMO butt-hurt driven, and although I prefer a different system, I also think that popular vote deciding the presidency would be an absolutely fine thing to do. Statistically, we are doing only minimally different than that anyway.

Also, the system does largely fail in practice with the intent of adding representation to smaller states. Simply put, the discrepancies between EC and popular vote of late is due to medium-large swing states being so impacting, not small states.

It does, however, make candidates campaign in and consider the interests of smaller states, which I find important, although it's only partially beneficial in this. Generally, though, despite being over-represented, their interests will never change a platform if it puts a candidate in worse standing elsewhere.

I do think, though that the fact that EC votes are for almost every state winner-take-all, medium-large swing states not only have more sway in the general election, they have more sway in policy as well. Politicians will alter their platforms and make deals to get more votes in certain areas outside of the general interest of America and even to a party's base, and this is bad.

instead of a gazillin "I thinks", why dont you educate yourself so you know. The EC is well documented on how it works, there is no reason to start with any sentence about the EC with "I think"
here ill help you on your journey.

https://youtu.be/W9H3gvnN468

 

[IGBT]

http://www.trendolizer.com/2016/11/...7-m-and-electoral-college-votes-306-232h.html

FINAL ELECTION 2016 NUMBERS: TRUMP WON BOTH POPULAR ( 62.9 M -62.7 M ) AND ELECTORAL COLLEGE VOTES ( 306-232)

 

[Brainonska511]

http://www.trendolizer.com/2016/11/...7-m-and-electoral-college-votes-306-232h.html

FINAL ELECTION 2016 NUMBERS: TRUMP WON BOTH POPULAR ( 62.9 M -62.7 M ) AND ELECTORAL COLLEGE VOTES ( 306-232)

Do you have a source other than a random blog post?

 

[Paratus]

http://www.trendolizer.com/2016/11/...7-m-and-electoral-college-votes-306-232h.html

FINAL ELECTION 2016 NUMBERS: TRUMP WON BOTH POPULAR ( 62.9 M -62.7 M ) AND ELECTORAL COLLEGE VOTES ( 306-232)

Ya, no.
http://www.snopes.com/2016/11/13/who-won-the-popular-vote/
He lost the popular vote by hundreds of thousands of votes. He got less than half the votes. He came in second in total votes among candidates running.

He did win the electoral college which is the only thing that matters. So there's no reason to come in here and lie.

 

[NostaSeronx]

http://edition.cnn.com/election/results
http://www.cbsnews.com/elections/2016/election-center/

Hilliary Diane Rodham-Clinton, objectively female Jesus-incarnate; 61,039,676 votes
Donald John Trump, objectively the Antichrist; 60,371,193

If you check there are votes yet to be counted all over. These votes that were not counted are 2 for HRC, while 1 for DJT/Other. Primarily, because these people don't usually use FACEBOOK as news! Enough to switch red states to blue if the total distance is less than <130,000 votes. Other states will realize the populace made a horrible mistake and recommend to their electors to switch candidates making them blue.
Especially, with these: https://www.change.org/p/electoral-...make-hillary-clinton-president-on-december-19
https://www.google.com/search?num=1...sident+protests&tbs=qdr:w&source=lnms&tbm=nws

 

[brycejones]

http://www.trendolizer.com/2016/11/...7-m-and-electoral-college-votes-306-232h.html

FINAL ELECTION 2016 NUMBERS: TRUMP WON BOTH POPULAR ( 62.9 M -62.7 M ) AND ELECTORAL COLLEGE VOTES ( 306-232)

http://edition.cnn.com/election/results
http://www.cbsnews.com/elections/2016/election-center/

Hilliary Diane Rodham-Clinton, objectively female Jesus-incarnate; 61,039,676 votes
Donald John Trump, objectively the Antichrist; 60,371,193

If you check there are votes yet to be counted all over. These votes that were not counted are 2 for HRC, while 1 for DJT/Other. Enough to switch red states to blue if the total distance is less than <130,000 votes. Other states will realize the populace made a horrible mistake and recommend to their electors to switch candidates making them blue.
Especially, with this: https://www.change.org/p/electoral-...make-hillary-clinton-president-on-december-19

LOL, that's a no to both your posts. IGBT you should be embarrassed for posting something so blatantly wrong. NostaSeronx, repeating your fantasies doesn't make them true. We have to assume they are fantasies since when asked for sources you refuse to supply any that remotely support your claims.

 

[NostaSeronx]

NostaSeronx, repeating your fantasies doesn't make them true

/super-sarcasm-begin: I am an American, Donald Trump is quote President-Elect end quote. No one gives a shunt about your alleged facts or your sources thing. GHRITP & FHRITP, stop being such a cuck. I'll believe god elect trumps facebook and twitter feed over you any day. If he can get quote elected end quote, I can spew what ever garbage I trust in. /super-sarcasm-end // <3 appeal to authority <3

Objectively; http://www.snopes.com/2016/11/13/who-won-the-popular-vote/
--

The issue is that the post-election election day is heavily biased towards liberal-leaned voters. So, the bias is who had the best healthcare, welfare, etc.

Ballots uncounted for that have yet to be counted that can switch possibly;
84,904 - Arizona // 80% est, updated 9:30 pm ET, Nov. 13
119,770 - Florida // 99% est
11,837 - Michigan // 96% est (with a recount)
68,236 - Pennsylvania // 99% est
159,763 - Utah (exception; word that Evan McMullin is preferred, but can be a HRC elector vote) // 90% est (with a recount)
27,257 - Wisconsin // 95% est
Until the above is verified 100% the election isn't over.

 

[umbrella39]

http://www.trendolizer.com/2016/11/...7-m-and-electoral-college-votes-306-232h.html

FINAL ELECTION 2016 NUMBERS: TRUMP WON BOTH POPULAR ( 62.9 M -62.7 M ) AND ELECTORAL COLLEGE VOTES ( 306-232)

I was wondering which retard would be the first to spit this bullshit out... I am not surprised it was you. Congrats!!!! Your trophy is the stupidz...

 

[trenchfoot]

I'll leave this quote by our former Governor Neil Abercrombie as a point to reflect on and of which I hope the DNC takes to heart: "Voters don't vote for you because of your reasons, they vote for or against you for their reasons."

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Looking at the bickering over the popular vote here, remarks like "no reason to lie . . . " -- the Trump campaign got its momentum by murdering the Truth. Every one of the surrogates were paid liars, who couldn't even appear embarrassed when a media moderator caught them in a total contradiction of fact.

This is what concerns me most. They focused the attention of voters on trivial inaccuracies or "lies" by Clinton of the type that everyone tells after they begin to believe their exaggerations or distortions themselves. The entire purpose of the Benghazi hearings was political. It was an extended exercise in distortion and lying with assertions about lies.

I've never been a fan of Clinton's, and I was almost beginning to believe the "baggage" the liars were hanging on her. It is only in the last several months that I got to know her as well as I'd known Trump for his Apprentice celebrity and other follies.

The terrorists in Benghazi only created an event that was unforeseen, and which they could not have had in mind as an event creation to affect our national politics. It was crude terrorism. Truly artful terrorism does not require ownership of media or political inclinations of journalists. It only requires that you create the event, and then create a story about it that isn't true.

Congress created the event of the hearings, and extended it into a witch hunt. Through repetition and further announcements, capped by Comey's transgressions, they planted thoughts of unfounded validity in the minds of the naïve and clueless -- people who have demonized the media yet believe everything they've been fed THROUGH the media originating with congress and GOP propagandists like Breitbart and Bannon.

Both of those men have read the essays and journals of Josef Goebbels, and probably whatever else they could get their hands on about manipulating target audiences and public opinion.

 

[brycejones]

/super-sarcasm-begin: I am an American, Donald Trump is quote President-Elect end quote. No one gives a shunt about your alleged facts or your sources thing. GHRITP & FHRITP, stop being such a brilliant gentleman. If he can get quote elected end quote, I can spew what ever garbage I trust in. /super-sarcasm-end

Objectively; http://www.snopes.com/2016/11/13/who-won-the-popular-vote/

The issue is that the post-election election day is heavily biased towards liberal-leaned voters. So, the bias is who had the best healthcare, welfare, etc.

Ballots uncounted for that have yet to be counted that can switch possibly;
84,904 - Arizona
119,770 - Florida
11,837 - Michigan
68,236 - Pennsylvania
159,763 - Utah (exception; word that Evan McMullin is preferred, but can be a HRC elector vote)
27,257 - Wisconsin

So are you backing off your earlier statement that Broward county threw out 120K ballots that would have gone to HRC?

Also Florida would appear to be out of reach. Trump has a lead of ~119K votes as of tonight. For Hillary to win based on the uncounted votes would require vote percentages that even North Korea would envy. It sucks that Trump won, but he did.

Trump has a 13K vote lead in Michigan...so that's out of reach as well.

From the very Snopes article you linked:

While these uncounted votes may grow Clinton’s popular lead, they absolutely will not change the course of the election. That math is settled; Trump holds an insurmountable lead in swing states, which turned his popular defeat into a sizable electoral victory. All the votes in liberal-leaning New York and California will not change that.

 

[umbrella39]

4,300,000...

 

[NostaSeronx]

So are you backing off your earlier statement that Broward county threw out 120K ballots that would have gone to HRC?

http://jacksonville.com/news/2016-11-07/about-800000-absentee-ballots-yet-be-returned-florida
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/florida-early-voting-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-230788
http://enight.elections.myflorida.com/

Tuesday, November 8, 2016: Preliminary Election Night Returns are due no later than 7:30 pm in the respective county’s time zone on General Election night and in 45-minute increments thereafter until all results (except provisional ballots and overseas vote-by-mail ballots) are completely reported.

All absentee ballots are "provisional/overseas vote-by-mail" ballots. These can take up to 45 days to go from casted to counted. Even though the state considers them "counted." The vote isn't over till the vote is strictly stated to be over. There is all the voter fraud, voter rigging, voter disenfranchisement, voter suppression, voter electioneering, that has went on as well.

 

[flexy]

Looking at the bickering over the popular vote here, remarks like "no reason to lie . . . " -- the Trump campaign got its momentum by murdering the Truth. Every one of the surrogates were paid liars, who couldn't even appear embarrassed when a media moderator caught them in a total contradiction of fact.

This is what concerns me most. They focused the attention of voters on trivial inaccuracies or "lies" by Clinton of the type that everyone tells after they begin to believe their exaggerations or distortions themselves. The entire purpose of the Benghazi hearings was political. It was an extended exercise in distortion and lying with assertions about lies.

I've never been a fan of Clinton's, and I was almost beginning to believe the "baggage" the liars were hanging on her. It is only in the last several months that I got to know her as well as I'd known Trump for his Apprentice celebrity and other follies.

The terrorists in Benghazi only created an event that was unforeseen, and which they could not have had in mind as an event creation to affect our national politics. It was crude terrorism. Truly artful terrorism does not require ownership of media or political inclinations of journalists. It only requires that you create the event, and then create a story about it that isn't true.

Congress created the event of the hearings, and extended it into a witch hunt. Through repetition and further announcements, capped by Comey's transgressions, they planted thoughts of unfounded validity in the minds of the naïve and clueless -- people who have demonized the media yet believe everything they've been fed THROUGH the media originating with congress and GOP propagandists like Breitbart and Bannon.

Both of those men have read the essays and journals of Josef Goebbels, and probably whatever else they could get their hands on about manipulating target audiences and public opinion.

Brilliantly said. These past months, basically Trump's entire campaign was laced with propaganda, and I mean at times really professionally crafted propaganda/lies which would (IMO) make Goebbels blush. In fact, I think Goebbels would've had an orgasm of joy if he knew about the possibilities of social media today, he merely had radio and early TV.

Now, Trump appointed one of these master propagandists, the Breitbart guy, as his "strategist". You do the math.

 

[brycejones]

http://jacksonville.com/news/2016-11-07/about-800000-absentee-ballots-yet-be-returned-florida
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/florida-early-voting-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-230788
http://enight.elections.myflorida.com/
All absentee ballots are "provisional/overseas vote-by-mail" ballots.

So we're moving the goal posts again in the conversation? We've had Broward County threw out ~120K votes for Hillary, we've had ~119K votes outstanding, now we're going with 800K absentee ballots outstanding. Which BTW is BS because the story is from 11/7. In Florida absentee ballots mailed within the US or fax ballots regardless of location must be received by the election date of 11/8. The only exception is for absentee ballots being mailed from overseas where they have to be postmarked by 11/8 and received by 11/18. (https://www.fvap.gov/florida)

Do you really think those overseas mail in absentee ballots are going to add up to enough to wipe out a 119K vote deficit?

So far you haven't provided a shred of evidence that remotely supports your fantasy. It's time to come back to reality.

 

[flexy]

http://www.trendolizer.com/2016/11/...7-m-and-electoral-college-votes-306-232h.html

FINAL ELECTION 2016 NUMBERS: TRUMP WON BOTH POPULAR ( 62.9 M -62.7 M ) AND ELECTORAL COLLEGE VOTES ( 306-232)

It's funny I am just coming from a brilliant article that talks about the "media bubble" WE ALL live in, that we, using social media, don't simply take in news like we did decades ago but create our own reality by choosing those feeds and news sources that appeal to us.

Bullshit like this is a splendid example for this.

 

[brycejones]

It's funny I am just coming from a brilliant article that talks about the "media bubble" WE ALL live in, that we, using social media, don't simply take in news like we did decades ago but create our own reality by choosing those feeds and news sources that appeal to us.

Bullshit like this is a splendid example for this.

And that goes back to some wordpress blog. JHC I know IGBT was in a bubble but that is a very small bubble.