The Party of the Poorly Educated in the Trump Era

[IronWing]

Philosophy is functionally a pre-law degree. I can't argue with you about Communications and Psych degrees (except that Comm majors tend to end up making piles of money pedaling corporate bullshit ).

 

[senseamp]

Highly educated liberals like this guy here promoting their hatred of rural Americans, are worth more to Trump than a thousand poorly educated Proud Boys.

"https://www.rt.com/usa/472995-rural-americans-shamed-berkeley/
Berkeley philosophy lecturer slammed after saying rural Americans made ‘bad life decisions’ & should be SHAMED"
Bad life decisions, wonder where he learned that, doesn't sound to liberal now does it?

Toughen up, snowflake. Rural America is destroying itself just fine without Berkeley professors lifting a finger. Farmer suicides are going up because I guess they are tired of winning or whatevs.

 

[ivwshane]

It could very well be, but doesn’t change that this guy and many like him exist

He is hardly an outlier. Within the context of this topic, I fail to see how the “deplorables” narrative is going to prevent a second Trump win given how amazingly well that strategy worked last time.

That sounds like “feels”, do you have any actual data to back up that claim?

 

[Luna1968]

Toughen up, snowflake. Rural America is destroying itself just fine without Berkeley professors lifting a finger. Farmer suicides are going up because I guess they are tired of winning or whatevs.

what?

 

[Meghan54]

Every accredited institution has worthless BA (bachelor of arts) degrees...
Like: Philosophy, Art & Music History, Socialism, Theatre, Communications, Psychology, Fashion Design, Fine Arts, and Liberal Arts.

All of these are "basketweaving" degrees from real state run and private universities. Not only are all are useless for gaining real employment other than "Paper or plastic?" and "Would you like fries with that?" jobs, they also leave students less equipped for life outside of academia, than the techie school all the dumb kids in high school took.


BA degrees leave them brainwashed and responsible for today's millennial "me" society, the padded room "safe space" society, and the everyone who is not a "Ikea shopping, scarf wearing, city dwellar" is nothing but a "toothless mountain hick redneck deplorable" society.

I don't think you meant Socialism as a degree, did you? Probably meant sociology, right? Worthless degree, along with communications, psychology, art/music history, etc., etc.....except they're not worthless, unless you think hiring someone with a communications degree is somehow wrong (Wall street would disagree) or psychology (the military and every advertising agency would disagree), and we certainly don't need anyone to study history of art or music or study music or art at all, right?

To each his own in university work. I got a degree in Nursing and then 2 decades later a communications degree in journalism. Do I work as a journalist? No, but it opened up a host of writing gigs I've pursued for quite a while.....esp. in medical writing, patient advocacy, etc.

 

[Commodus]

Every accredited institution has worthless BA (bachelor of arts) degrees...
Like: Philosophy, Art & Music History, Socialism, Theatre, Communications, Psychology, Fashion Design, Fine Arts, and Liberal Arts.

All of these are "basketweaving" degrees from real state run and private universities. Not only are all are useless for gaining real employment other than "Paper or plastic?" and "Would you like fries with that?" jobs, they also leave students less equipped for life outside of academia, than the techie school all the dumb kids in high school took.


BA degrees leave them brainwashed and responsible for today's millennial "me" society, the padded room "safe space" society, and the everyone who is not a "Ikea shopping, scarf wearing, city dwellar" is nothing but a "toothless mountain hick redneck deplorable" society.

As someone who makes a good income with degrees in a liberal art (English Lit, to be exact): get bent.

Many of them are useful, particularly ones like communications and psychology. And importantly, if you're paying attention, you'll learn skills that translate to success in work. Critical thinking, writing and debating, for example.

And for that matter, it's good to have people who aren't just trained to be cogs in the machine, as you want them to be. Some BA degrees are tough sells, but I'd rather have some philosophy majors with regrets than a society that treats education merely as the means to a well-paying job.

 

[senseamp]

what?

A farm family struggles to recover after rising debt pushes a husband to suicide

PLATTE, S.D. - Amber Dykshorn stood at her kitchen window and watched the storm come in.

www.grandforksherald.com

In farm country, mental health experts say they're seeing more suicides as families endure the worst period for U.S. agriculture in decades. Farm bankruptcies and loan delinquencies are rising, calamitous weather events are ruining crops, and profits are vanishing during Trump's global trade disputes.

That's what.

 

[Meghan54]

As someone who makes a good income with degrees in a liberal art (English Lit, to be exact): get bent.

Many of them are useful, particularly ones like communications and psychology. And importantly, if you're paying attention, you'll learn skills that translate to success in work. Critical thinking, writing and debating, for example.

And for that matter, it's good to have people who aren't just trained to be cogs in the machine, as you want them to be. Some BA degrees are tough sells, but I'd rather have some philosophy majors with regrets than a society that treats education merely as the means to a well-paying job.

It's just they don't want to get it.....that that's what a university education is geared towards. Not just a job creating degree but a way to develop a person that is somewhat rounded in their knowledge (such as not looking like a fool when people begin discussing something outside their narrow field of work/knowledge, like talking about history or art or music or writing or damned near anything of substance that's not directly science or math related.) To teach only that creates very one dimensional persons incapable of at least understanding the rest of the world.

Of course, there's hope satire, its appreciation or at least recognizing it, can be taught, but this thread shows something quite different.

 

[Starbuck1975]

That sounds like “feels”, do you have any actual data to back up that claim?

“Hey, we need some muscle over here.” - Melissa Click

Any time there is a protest at Berkeley, some faculty member inevitably says something stupid on Twitter and subsequently has to make their account private.

Let’s not forget the Yale email that set off the whole debate of Halloween costume cultural appropriation.

Then, of course, there are plenty of articles on the topic, some anecdotal, some that quantify this lack of diversity:

How Liberal Professors Are Ruining College

In New England, they outnumber conservatives 28 to 1. Why that’s bad for everyone.

www.bostonmagazine.com

Opinion | Think Professors Are Liberal? Try School Administrators (Published 2018)

The ideological bent of those overseeing collegiate life is having the biggest impact on campus culture.

www.nytimes.com

 

[dank69]

It could very well be, but doesn’t change that this guy and many like him exist

He is hardly an outlier. Within the context of this topic, I fail to see how the “deplorables” narrative is going to prevent a second Trump win given how amazingly well that strategy worked last time.

Not only is he an outlier, but he also wasn't even saying what you were tricked into thinking he was saying.

 

[ivwshane]

“Hey, we need some muscle over here.” - Melissa Click

Any time there is a protest at Berkeley, some faculty member inevitably says something stupid on Twitter and subsequently has to make their account private.

Let’s not forget the Yale email that set off the whole debate of Halloween costume cultural appropriation.

Then, of course, there are plenty of articles on the topic, some anecdotal, some that quantify this lack of diversity:

How Liberal Professors Are Ruining College

In New England, they outnumber conservatives 28 to 1. Why that’s bad for everyone.

www.bostonmagazine.com

Opinion | Think Professors Are Liberal? Try School Administrators (Published 2018)

The ideological bent of those overseeing collegiate life is having the biggest impact on campus culture.

www.nytimes.com

So no you don’t have any data to back up that claim.

 

[Starbuck1975]

So no you don’t have any data to back up that claim.

I posted articles that cite studies and data. When you’re done moving the goal posts, can you get me a glass of water?

 

[Starbuck1975]

Not only is he an outlier, but he also wasn't even saying what you were tricked into thinking he was saying.

His words speak for themselves

 

[dank69]

His words speak for themselves

When taken out of context to imply the opposite point he was trying to make? Okay...

 

[woolfe9998]

His words speak for themselves

His words were mocking Trump's comments about immigrants. He was mocking Trump, not rural Americans.

 

[ivwshane]

I posted articles that cite studies and data. When you’re done moving the goal posts, can you get me a glass of water?

Lol. God you are so fucking dishonest. First off your claim was that “there are more professors like the one in the article “, what you posted was an article showing that there are a lot of liberal professors in New England. So unless you are equating being liberal with acting like the professors in the posted article, your links don’t do shit for your claims.

 

[ivwshane]

Not only is he an outlier, but he also wasn't even saying what you were tricked into thinking he was saying.

Propaganda works really well on idiots.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I’m moving toward my opinion of farmers regarding production guys.
They either do a protest vote and throw their vote away or they do what most union guys I know want to do. They vote for the tough guy knowing that the tough guy won’t represent them well because they like tough.
Rapidly approaching farmers imo. Fuck them, as we heard in 2016 elections have consequence.
You want to vote for some deplorable retard just to show you are not a lib than fuck you. Deal with it.
Have fun with organized labor laws being interpreted by those judges.
Fuck you and don’t come crying to me.
I’m tired of bending over backwards to coddle up to these guys only to have them backstab the instant it becomes an option.

 

[Commodus]

“Hey, we need some muscle over here.” - Melissa Click

Any time there is a protest at Berkeley, some faculty member inevitably says something stupid on Twitter and subsequently has to make their account private.

Let’s not forget the Yale email that set off the whole debate of Halloween costume cultural appropriation.

Then, of course, there are plenty of articles on the topic, some anecdotal, some that quantify this lack of diversity:

How Liberal Professors Are Ruining College

In New England, they outnumber conservatives 28 to 1. Why that’s bad for everyone.

www.bostonmagazine.com

Opinion | Think Professors Are Liberal? Try School Administrators (Published 2018)

The ideological bent of those overseeing collegiate life is having the biggest impact on campus culture.

www.nytimes.com

The problem is that conservatism as it exists in the US today is pretty ill-suited to academia.

Think about it: someone who supports Trump, and most modern Republicans for that matter, believes it's acceptable to suppress science to please corporations (see: climate science, CDC research on gun violence). That's an automatic disqualifier for all academic positions. They may believe rampant, obvious lying is acceptable as long as it's from "their side." And of course, it's pretty difficult to have an open-minded academic culture with professors and admins who think entire cultural groups are invalid (particularly LGBT people and Muslims) and see education as nothing more than obtaining credentials for an accounting or engineering job.

There are certainly conservatives that would be better fits, like the David Frums of the world. But the anti-intellectualism, unaccountability and hatred that seems to dominate present-day American conservatism absolutely must not be allowed to guide colleges.

 

[pete6032]

This is why Republicans are trying to gut higher education. They know those with less education are more likely to vote Republican.

 

[Starbuck1975]

The problem is that conservatism as it exists in the US today is pretty ill-suited to academia.

Think about it: someone who supports Trump, and most modern Republicans for that matter, believes it's acceptable to suppress science to please corporations (see: climate science, CDC research on gun violence). That's an automatic disqualifier for all academic positions. They may believe rampant, obvious lying is acceptable as long as it's from "their side." And of course, it's pretty difficult to have an open-minded academic culture with professors and admins who think entire cultural groups are invalid (particularly LGBT people and Muslims) and see education as nothing more than obtaining credentials for an accounting or engineering job.

There are certainly conservatives that would be better fits, like the David Frums of the world. But the anti-intellectualism, unaccountability and hatred that seems to dominate present-day American conservatism absolutely must not be allowed to guide colleges.

That’s a chicken or egg discussion. I would agree that alt-right thinking has no place in academia, but I also think the alt-right is reactionary to the left’s echo chamber, and Trump tapped in to a festering frustration.

 

[Starbuck1975]

When taken out of context to imply the opposite point he was trying to make? Okay...

What context is missing? His statement is fairly straightforward and he later deleted and acknowledged the crassness of his tone.

 

[dank69]

That’s a chicken or egg discussion. I would agree that alt-right thinking has no place in academia, but I also think the alt-right is reactionary to the left’s echo chamber, and Trump tapped in to a festering frustration.

We know, we know...everything once distilled to its source is the fault of liberals and Democrats.

 

[dank69]

What context is missing? His statement is fairly straightforward and he later deleted and acknowledged the crassness of his tone.

Read woolfe's comments. He was mocking the absurdity of Trump's statements about immigrants by applying the same logic to rural Americans to demonstrate the stupidity of thinking that way. RT convinced you that he actually thinks that way.

 

[woolfe9998]

What context is missing? His statement is fairly straightforward and he later deleted and acknowledged the crassness of his tone.

So you read his tweet which contains the sentence "and some, I assume, are good people" and you truly didn't make the connection with Trump?