The Official Xbox One Thread

[smackababy]

a "wired" controller that is "wired" through plug and play is still wireless. it isn't really wired in the sense that data is being sent over usb, it's being sent wirelessly.

the wireless ones for pc required an adapter you plugged into the usb slot on a pc. i actually have one of those around.

From what I understand the actual Windows PC ones could interface through USB from the Charge and Play and you did not need the wireless adapter.

The standard wired USB 360 controllers always worked on PC. The PC just needed the special wireless receiver for the wireless ones. I assume the PS4 will have a couple USB ports, no reason the XBOne shouldn't. In theory you should be able to hook up an arcade stick to USB somehow.

The problem is the 360 used a proprietary PCB that verified it was a MS licensed product and the PS3 wired arcade sticks would not work on the 360, unless you installed a MS verified board. If they have a NEW verification for XO products VS 360 products, the same problem would occur.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Remember that awesome Zelda tech demo they did for the Wii-U? Does the Wii-U even have a Zelda game?

I believe you mean the one for the Gamecube where it was a realistic looking Link (Ocarina of Time adult style) with a decent polygon count etc. It never came to fruition. They eventually did Wind Waker in Cel Shading which was really nice looking but not the same. Twilight Princess was the closest we got.

From what I understand the actual Windows PC ones could interface through USB from the Charge and Play and you did not need the wireless adapter.

The problem is the 360 used a proprietary PCB that verified it was a MS licensed product and the PS3 wired arcade sticks would not work on the 360, unless you installed a MS verified board. If they have a NEW verification for XO products VS 360 products, the same problem would occur.

Yep I have built semi-custom sticks before with the milti console mod. It's pretty lame and it made a lot of 3rd party peripherals unable to work on the 360 but adapters were available for the PS3. It was simply a way to charge a fee to a company wanting to market a peripheral for the 360 I think.

I had no idea about the "windows" wireless controllers. I always used a wired one I had left over from my launch day 360.

 

[purbeast0]

They mean exactly what they are meant to represent, not what press decides to write on about them.

thanks again captain obvious. and that is exactly the reason i don't care about them - because they aren't real world examples of what i can expect out of a console.

 

[Pottuvoi]

thanks again captain obvious. and that is exactly the reason i don't care about them - because they aren't real world examples of what i can expect out of a console.

For that specific case you can.

 

[tential]

Keep in mind that he's talking about things like wired fight sticks, and not the wireless controllers. Most people probably prefer wireless controllers for most games, but fighter enthusiasts prefer arcade/fight sticks, and a good one is three to four times more expensive than standard controllers.

On that note, I haven't seen anything about wired controller compatibility. However, given the controllers have the same number of buttons (Start and Select have been changed though), it's plausible.

Ok I see what you mean. Who knows, but I'd say probably not. If you were a developer of a fight stick for the 360, and the Xbox One came out, and you wanted more money, you'd ask Microsoft to not make them compatible so people have to go and buy the EXACT same thing again. Wouldn't be surprise but that's me speculating. We'll see, don't be surprised though.
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Lets not talk about speculation though. I'm VERY excited for the new Xbox integrating into TV. Maybe some people are not, but I'm hoping this brings some really cool things especially with the NFL. Imagine watching a game and being able to say "Stats, Tom Brady", or whoever your favorite player is and seeing their stats come up in a sub menu for the game.

Or playing a video game and saying "Launch Internet Explorer(Wish we could say google chrome haha)" and go see the strategy guide you have up on the side.

Microsoft went EXACTLY for the market they always said they would. They wanted to be the centerpiece of the living room. They tried with WMC, the HTPC, and now this all culminates in the Xbox One. I don't think the gaming experience will be too noticeable between the PS4 and the Xbox One. (speculation I know sorry) I don't think that they're going to make textures for the PS4, and then AGAIN for the Xbox One. They'll make textures that both consoles can handle. We're competing on features at this point, and I think Microsoft, being a company 10 times the size of Sony, has the pull with cable providers, sports (NFL, NBA, NHL, etc.) to bring content to the new Xbox that pushes it well beyond what Sony is capable of as a company, not as hardware, to bring to the plate.
While a lot of guys here classify themselves as "Gamers", I think Microsoft will pull the market of people who "want to play games" and don't consider themselves to be "Gamers". Xbox One hits a lot of spots that both the Wii and the PS4 just don't have the clout to hit.

 

[American Gunner]

I want to know how the kinect stuff will work. My kids walk in and ask if they can watch tv in their room all the time. I would hate to be booted out of a game just because my kids said the right phrases.

 

[cmdrdredd]

I can talk to my phone and pull up a google search the same way. That usage case really doesn't seem to be that appealing.

Look, Microsoft forgets the people who made the Xbox brand what it is. At least it seems so from this presentation. The gamers are what made Xbox successful, the people watching TV made Comcast the giant it is today.

 

[Aikouka]

In regard to that whole Wired and used games thing, apparently, Microsoft called up Wired after the article launched, and Wired added this to their article:

http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2013/05/xbox-one-analysis/

Microsoft called Wired after this story was originally published to say that the company did have a plan for used games, and that further details were forthcoming.

I could see that if they do force people to install games... why not just provide an uninstall feature? The only negative aspect is that before Gamestop buys a used game from a customer, they would have to verify that the user uninstalled the game.

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I want to know how the kinect stuff will work. My kids walk in and ask if they can watch tv in their room all the time. I would hate to be booted out of a game just because my kids said the right phrases.

It sounded like it would recognize the different voices. During the beginning of the presentation, the guy woke up the X1 by saying "XBOX ON", and he said it would automatically log you in based on your voice.

 

[smackababy]

Ok I see what you mean. Who knows, but I'd say probably not. If you were a developer of a fight stick for the 360, and the Xbox One came out, and you wanted more money, you'd ask Microsoft to not make them compatible so people have to go and buy the EXACT same thing again. Wouldn't be surprise but that's me speculating. We'll see, don't be surprised though.

The market for these products is so niche I don't see companies trying to milk an already hostile community.

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Lets not talk about speculation though. I'm VERY excited for the new Xbox integrating into TV. Maybe some people are not, but I'm hoping this brings some really cool things especially with the NFL. Imagine watching a game and being able to say "Stats, Tom Brady", or whoever your favorite player is and seeing their stats come up in a sub menu for the game.

Eww, why would anyone, ever, like Tom Brady? >_>

Or playing a video game and saying "Launch Internet Explorer(Wish we could say google chrome haha)" and go see the strategy guide you have up on the side.

Microsoft went EXACTLY for the market they always said they would. They wanted to be the centerpiece of the living room. They tried with WMC, the HTPC, and now this all culminates in the Xbox One. I don't think the gaming experience will be too noticeable between the PS4 and the Xbox One. (speculation I know sorry) I don't think that they're going to make textures for the PS4, and then AGAIN for the Xbox One. They'll make textures that both consoles can handle. We're competing on features at this point, and I think Microsoft, being a company 10 times the size of Sony, has the pull with cable providers, sports (NFL, NBA, NHL, etc.) to bring content to the new Xbox that pushes it well beyond what Sony is capable of as a company, not as hardware, to bring to the plate.
While a lot of guys here classify themselves as "Gamers", I think Microsoft will pull the market of people who "want to play games" and don't consider themselves to be "Gamers". Xbox One hits a lot of spots that both the Wii and the PS4 just don't have the clout to hit.

Depending on the implementation of such multitasking features, I can see this being a huge hit and very successful. I love the Skype (and, btw, called that one months ago =3 ) and the other features should integrate nicely. However, as the previous Madden's commercials with Paul Rudd and Ray Lewis showed, yelling "Spike" as your friend is playing can cause results they don't want.

 

[smackababy]

In regard to that whole Wired and used games thing, apparently, Microsoft called up Wired after the article launched, and Wired added this to their article:

http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2013/05/xbox-one-analysis/
I could see that if they do force people to install games... why not just provide an uninstall feature? The only negative aspect is that before Gamestop buys a used game from a customer, they would have to verify that the user uninstalled the game.

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It sounded like it would recognize the different voices. During the beginning of the presentation, the guy woke up the X1 by saying "XBOX ON", and he said it would automatically log you in based on your voice.

The Wired article is so crap. They say that because MS is giving developers the ability to use an ecosystem they are taking steps towards always online. Seriously? Oh, so because I have software that can use the internet on my PC, I guess MS is taking steps to make Windows always online as well...

 

[purbeast0]

Look, Microsoft forgets the people who made the Xbox brand what it is. At least it seems so from this presentation. The gamers are what made Xbox successful, the people watching TV made Comcast the giant it is today.

what are you trying to mean by this?

 

[smackababy]

I can talk to my phone and pull up a google search the same way. That usage case really doesn't seem to be that appealing.

Look, Microsoft forgets the people who made the Xbox brand what it is. At least it seems so from this presentation. The gamers are what made Xbox successful, the people watching TV made Comcast the giant it is today.

How, exactly, is allowing one to watch TV AND play games not making it equally more successful? The majority of gamers also watch TV, I'd be willing to bet. Now, how does it not make perfect sense to combine what multiple devices do into one unit that does everything smoothly and on the fly? If I am playing Forza and want to check the score of the Cowboys game, or see if Half time is over, I can just pause the game and say "Xbox watch Cowboys" or some shit like that, and do it. I don't have to get the remote and switch the channel. I don't even have to put the controller down.

 

[wirednuts]

hdmi input!!!!! YEA BABY!!

now i cant wait for 10 years to pass, so i can get one for $100 and install xmbc version 19 or whatever it is. this should be a kick ass home theater hack machine!

 

[purbeast0]

it sounds like some people are just upset because ms did not focus on the gaming aspect in this conference. they focused more on the hardware and other features of the system. personally i'm glad. i mean we all already know that it is going to play games and have better graphics yada yada yada. what we don't know are the features other than games that it will be able to do, which we found out quite a bit about today.

i'm not sure what people really wanted them to talk about gaming for. i mean it will play games. they showed the controller, showed kinect. you will use those to play games on it. they aren't going to show off a bunch of games today because that is what e3 is for in a couple of weeks.

 

[Anubis]

for me personally i will be passing until there is a large price drop or they announce games i just have to have. there was nothing announced today that got me excited at all about the new console. i could not possibily care less about the NFL fantasy stuff, or the TV stuff as i watch so little TV anyway. I already have a HTPC and 3 other BR players that can connect to pretty much any online service. COD is crap. i really dont care about kinnect or voice controlls.

i think im just getting too old to care

 

[American Gunner]

How, exactly, is allowing one to watch TV AND play games not making it equally more successful? The majority of gamers also watch TV, I'd be willing to bet. Now, how does it not make perfect sense to combine what multiple devices do into one unit that does everything smoothly and on the fly? If I am playing Forza and want to check the score of the Cowboys game, or see if Half time is over, I can just pause the game and say "Xbox watch Cowboys" or some shit like that, and do it. I don't have to get the remote and switch the channel. I don't even have to put the controller down.

This is something I like. I could jump on and play a game with friends and have use the snap feature to throw the game on in a small window off to the side. At least, I hope it will work that way.

I will say one thing that I loved, and that was the controller. That thing looked sexy. People trying to say who will win the "console war" after today need to pump their brakes a little, both systems have several unanswered questions. For all we know, MS may come out at E3 and announce some amazing games, and that would swing people in their favor.

 

[purbeast0]

i just hope e3 has a shitload of awesome games on both consoles so that i will have a reason to get both consoles at launch. that will make for one fun winter!

to be realistic, if they are both priced below $500, i don't see myself passing on either at launch if each one has just 1 must have title at launch. i'm just a sucker for consoles

 

[mmntech]

Watched the conference and was kind a meh about it. Looks like it's shaping up to be a solid multimedia device. They didn't show a lot of games and that's all I really care about. No killer apps to be found here. Lots of annual games, sports titles. The most important game was Forza 5 IMO. A major coup against Sony since GT6 won't be on the PS4.

Cable integration and voice command searching is cool. I assume this is part of the rumored subsidized Xbox One.

 

[American Gunner]

My must have would be Forza right now. I love the series, and I can't wait to see what they can actually do with the game on the new console.

 

[Staples]

my point exactly. tech demo's don't mean jack shit in real world scenarios as what a game can actually look like.

That may be true but really, I watched the conference and they showed nothing.

So what is more compelling, a tech demo or a few seconds of gameplay (broken up over multiple trailers), split into 2 second segments?

 

[vi edit]

Technically, doesn't every XB One sold add to Sony's bottom line? I'm assuming MS has to pay some sort of licencing/royalty fees for every device they sell to Sony.

That had to be an awkward discussion

 

[KaOTiK]

They didn't show off anything that relates to gaming. People expected to see a new game console to have things centered around games. They didn't show off any real time demos and just gave us a bunch of bullshots. We expect some bullshots, we play some damn games so we can see what your new video game console can do. Instead we got Dragon Dictate for a console that controls tv.

Sure, E3 is 3 weeks away, but they pushed this reveal back almost a month to show this? I mean really, how astronomically bad must it had been before the delay. They could have hit up on the features and not gone so in depth on them and showed off more gaming.

Sony, who had their conference 3 months ago showed us more than MS did and they are going to be showing off a ton more at E3 as well. MS had a good chance to get some big momentum going into E3, instead it is pretty universal across the web that the feeling is, that was it?

 

[cmdrdredd]

what are you trying to mean by this?

When the Xbox originally launched in 2001 it was an unknown. Nobody knew what to expect from Microsoft, who primarily did software, when they announced they were getting into the video game hardware business. Initial mild success followed. It exploded when new possibilities were realized from LAN party connectivity on Halo, and later on the first incarnation of XBL was worked on. The gaming population in North America embraced their ideas, their hardware, and their games. The Xbox 360 was the next step for gamers. People had a better XBL experience that was tighter and worked better. The success of Halo and other titles from Microsoft like Forza which now could go online outdid what many expected from a console. The gamers enbraced Microsoft when they were struggling against the PS2 juggernaut and a well established Nintendo (who's own failings caused a rift between themselves and 3rd party devs and publishers but that's another story).

Microsoft used most of this presentation to display ideas that aren't central to gaming and the hearts of those who stuck with them since their small beginnings in the industry. Generally speaking, gamers want to have exciting gaming experiences which I am sure they will have. However, pushing the new box to be an all in one device is off putting to me because I am looking at these new consoles from the mindset of a gamer. Everything not gaming related I can already do either from my PC, or another device I own currently. So people like me who have supported their efforts with Halo, Project Gothem Racing, & now Forza and other IPs are almost an afterthought. At least from what was revealed today. I realize E3 is next month, and I expect less TV and more games. However, they left me questioning whether they have forgotten why the Xbox brand is where it is. It wasn't windows, and it wasn't watching TV that made it the success that it is. This was their chance to impress me, a gamer. I don't think they did that. Not with Kinect integration, watching TV, and sports games. I do realize sports games have a very big market too that can't be ignored. First impressions are important. I think Sony did a good job explaining the benefit of the PS4 to me as a gamer, but I cannot say the same thing about Microsoft's reveal of the XboxOne. Not yet.

How, exactly, is allowing one to watch TV AND play games not making it equally more successful? The majority of gamers also watch TV, I'd be willing to bet. Now, how does it not make perfect sense to combine what multiple devices do into one unit that does everything smoothly and on the fly? If I am playing Forza and want to check the score of the Cowboys game, or see if Half time is over, I can just pause the game and say "Xbox watch Cowboys" or some shit like that, and do it. I don't have to get the remote and switch the channel. I don't even have to put the controller down.

That's why I have a phone on me. Can pull up anything without pausing at all.

This is casual focused for sure. That's ok, but they gotta win the hearts and minds of the other demographic. The ones who will buy the games and play them for hours and hours.

 

[futurefields]

Well, this is dissapointing.

 

[KaOTiK]

Technically, doesn't every XB One sold add to Sony's bottom line? I'm assuming MS has to pay some sort of licencing/royalty fees for every device they sell to Sony.

That had to be an awkward discussion

They were already doing it with DVD iirc. It isn't uncommon for competitors to have to license tech from one another since they share so many things. I'm not 100% sure, but I don't believe Sony has the sole rights to licensing Blu Ray either. If they did, I could see them pulling a real dick move and denying it to MS and that would put a wrench into MS' center of the living room plan when it wouldn't even be able to play a blu ray