Resource use is lower, but its negligible amounts. Not enough for me, anyway, to say 'wow'. But the battery life increase is something else. I have an late Vista era Vaio that is getting about an hour and a half more on a single charge.
I have a hard time believing the "performance improvements" would even be noticeable for desktop users, sounds like something that would be very small and tangible (ie noticeable only in benchmarks).
Win7 is already efficient and lean, i never had a problem with it, and it flies with my current specs. What would Win8 possibly offer for a DESKTOP user to upgrade? its for the mobile market (ie smartphones, laptops, and tablets), & I recall even MS said that last year! if you're on desktop and have Win7, Win8 isn't gonna do anything for u.
I mean, if u like throwing your time and money away upgrading then by all means go nuts & get it, otherwise seems like there's no point.
Win7 is already efficient and lean, i never had a problem with it, and it flies with my current specs. What would Win8 possibly offer for a DESKTOP user to upgrade? its for the mobile market (ie smartphones, laptops, and tablets), & I recall even MS said that last year! if you're on desktop and have Win7, Win8 isn't gonna do anything for u.
I mean, if u like throwing your time and money away upgrading then by all means go nuts & get it, otherwise seems like there's no point.
i am having trouble with the computer shutting down once in awhile. the fans and stuff stay running but the monitor shuts off. i have to press and hold the power button for it to shut off. i know this is how it shuts down for 8 but i wait for 5 minutes and it is still running. is there any way to fix this?
Windows 8 lacks a usable UI, I'd say that makes it rather premature.
Or it pushes devs to get more cozy then they already are with Apple/Linux based OSs which have already shown Microsoft, repeatedly, that they are abject failures when they step outside of the PC market.
I *liked* Vista, the only truly bad OS I had ever seen MS ship was ME, until Windows8(I use WinCE devices on a daily basis at work, had no problem with them either).
I understand their delusions as far as application development goes, but forcing people into the arms of Andoid/iOS/MacOS/Linux because you suck in the ultra portable space isn't exactly the smart way to go about things.
MS failed horribly when they tried to take a desktop UI and make it work on tablets. Now, they think doing it in reverse is going to be the best way to move forward. It's just an entirely different level of stupid.
I thought this might get a few chuckles. Mossberg reviews Windows 8 and he apparently thinks it's great. Windows 8 might just be amazing if a character like him likes is 
http://allthingsd.com/20121016/windows-pushes-into-the-tablet-age/?mod=tweet
http://allthingsd.com/20121016/windows-pushes-into-the-tablet-age/?mod=tweet
sportage
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As a windows to mac guy I just have to try out W8. So I ordered a desktop with windows 8. I just had to try this out.
First of all, I think W8 is intended for touch devices, touch screens. Laptop touch screens, desktop touch screens, and tablets.
The laptop and tablet will be around for a long time, but I believe the desktop is on its way out. Tablets and laptops will become more like a desktop, except portable unlike a desktop. I think portability is the target or goal for Microsoft.
Portability and touch is in. Systems that rely on accessories like the mouse, are out.
I would not try windows 8 myself unless it was installed on a machine that had a touch screen.
So guess we will see which one wins out. Using a mouse to operate in the touch environment? Or nixing the mouse and going 100% touch.
Microsoft seems to believe they can and will control that future.
And they probably will do just that.
I doubt we see anything like windows 7 again from Microsoft.
Windows 7 will be the last and final mouse based os.
And eventually future operating systems will drop mouse support altogether.
Imagine... the mouse and the dial telephone sitting side by side at your local museum.
Its funny how people resist change. Even though I am and will remain a mac guy, I find it challenging and a bit exciting to try out W8. I suppose if one caught on they could become the fastest finger operator in the west. Challenge your friends.
And a far as some misplaced features, like the W8 shutdown icon, I suspect MS believes people should and will just leave their system on. Log out, let it use sleep mode, but never totally go night night. Even with the laptop I would expect some newly devised power function will eventually be created for all of those mobil devices. How they will handle the battery I have no idea, but someone at MS has an idea, Im sure.
I've seen many youtube videos on windows 8 where some kid introduces his dad or gramps to windows 8 and lets the poor guy sit there trying to figure out the basics.
As the kid sits near by with a smirk on his face.
Yeah, just remember kid... this is the old guy that probably taught you to drive.
I doubt any dad put the kid behind the wheel on their first driving lesson, and from the back seat sat laughing as the kid tried to figure out what to do.
Listening to some people moaning and groaning over windows 8 because it is different from previous windows, is like old dad moaning and groaning with experiencing his first tv remote control.
Think of it as a challenge. Don't show your age.
I don't know if windows 8 will change the world, but one thing for sure... if you expect microsoft to rerun back to the previous windows-like environment, well don't hold your breath.
Gad darn them fancy fluten microsoft wipper snappers.
First of all, I think W8 is intended for touch devices, touch screens. Laptop touch screens, desktop touch screens, and tablets.
The laptop and tablet will be around for a long time, but I believe the desktop is on its way out. Tablets and laptops will become more like a desktop, except portable unlike a desktop. I think portability is the target or goal for Microsoft.
Portability and touch is in. Systems that rely on accessories like the mouse, are out.
I would not try windows 8 myself unless it was installed on a machine that had a touch screen.
So guess we will see which one wins out. Using a mouse to operate in the touch environment? Or nixing the mouse and going 100% touch.
Microsoft seems to believe they can and will control that future.
And they probably will do just that.
I doubt we see anything like windows 7 again from Microsoft.
Windows 7 will be the last and final mouse based os.
And eventually future operating systems will drop mouse support altogether.
Imagine... the mouse and the dial telephone sitting side by side at your local museum.
Its funny how people resist change. Even though I am and will remain a mac guy, I find it challenging and a bit exciting to try out W8. I suppose if one caught on they could become the fastest finger operator in the west. Challenge your friends.
And a far as some misplaced features, like the W8 shutdown icon, I suspect MS believes people should and will just leave their system on. Log out, let it use sleep mode, but never totally go night night. Even with the laptop I would expect some newly devised power function will eventually be created for all of those mobil devices. How they will handle the battery I have no idea, but someone at MS has an idea, Im sure.
I've seen many youtube videos on windows 8 where some kid introduces his dad or gramps to windows 8 and lets the poor guy sit there trying to figure out the basics.
As the kid sits near by with a smirk on his face.
Yeah, just remember kid... this is the old guy that probably taught you to drive.
I doubt any dad put the kid behind the wheel on their first driving lesson, and from the back seat sat laughing as the kid tried to figure out what to do.
Listening to some people moaning and groaning over windows 8 because it is different from previous windows, is like old dad moaning and groaning with experiencing his first tv remote control.
Think of it as a challenge. Don't show your age.
I don't know if windows 8 will change the world, but one thing for sure... if you expect microsoft to rerun back to the previous windows-like environment, well don't hold your breath.
Gad darn them fancy fluten microsoft wipper snappers.
From a security standpoint: Win8 will load your anti-virus software before any other items. Win7 randomly loads items at start up, so your anti-virus might not be loaded until after some piece of malware is. With Win8 that won't happen. A small feature, but a good one, IMHO.
olds
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If we are getting rid of mice, I need longer fingers. I sit 10 feet from my monitor.
I ordered the pre-release at Amazon. If I can't upgrade the preview version, I'll throw Vista back on it and upgrade. Cheaper than upgrading to Windows 7.
I can't run/use the tiles (resolution issues) so I'll have to run startdock.
As a windows to mac guy I just have to try out W8. So I ordered a desktop with windows 8. I just had to try this out.
First of all, I think W8 is intended for touch devices, touch screens. Laptop touch screens, desktop touch screens, and tablets.
The laptop and tablet will be around for a long time, but I believe the desktop is on its way out. Tablets and laptops will become more like a desktop, except portable unlike a desktop. I think portability is the target or goal for Microsoft.
Portability and touch is in. Systems that rely on accessories like the mouse, are out.
I would not try windows 8 myself unless it was installed on a machine that had a touch screen.
So guess we will see which one wins out. Using a mouse to operate in the touch environment? Or nixing the mouse and going 100% touch.
Microsoft seems to believe they can and will control that future.
And they probably will do just that.
I doubt we see anything like windows 7 again from Microsoft.
Windows 7 will be the last and final mouse based os.
And eventually future operating systems will drop mouse support altogether.
Imagine... the mouse and the dial telephone sitting side by side at your local museum.
Its funny how people resist change. Even though I am and will remain a mac guy, I find it challenging and a bit exciting to try out W8. I suppose if one caught on they could become the fastest finger operator in the west. Challenge your friends.
And a far as some misplaced features, like the W8 shutdown icon, I suspect MS believes people should and will just leave their system on. Log out, let it use sleep mode, but never totally go night night. Even with the laptop I would expect some newly devised power function will eventually be created for all of those mobil devices. How they will handle the battery I have no idea, but someone at MS has an idea, Im sure.
I've seen many youtube videos on windows 8 where some kid introduces his dad or gramps to windows 8 and lets the poor guy sit there trying to figure out the basics.
As the kid sits near by with a smirk on his face.
Yeah, just remember kid... this is the old guy that probably taught you to drive.
I doubt any dad put the kid behind the wheel on their first driving lesson, and from the back seat sat laughing as the kid tried to figure out what to do.
Listening to some people moaning and groaning over windows 8 because it is different from previous windows, is like old dad moaning and groaning with experiencing his first tv remote control.
Think of it as a challenge. Don't show your age.
I don't know if windows 8 will change the world, but one thing for sure... if you expect microsoft to rerun back to the previous windows-like environment, well don't hold your breath.
Gad darn them fancy fluten microsoft wipper snappers.
I don't think you've thought this through. Windows 8 is still a mouse based OS on desktop. It just has touch screen functionalities built in.
Gamers, video editors, photo editors, and businesses almost all prefer a large monitor, 22" or bigger. You cannot get that on a tablet, and it's not even preferable on a laptop as it takes away from the point of being a laptop.
I don't care what anyone says, smaller form factors will never replace PCs.
The more I use windows 8 the more I enjoy the experience, even on a desktop. I suppose everyone uses thier PC differently but I don’t miss the start button at all, launching apps works the same for me as it ever did (win key + name) I pin my most used apps to the desktop and pin secondary apps to the start screen in case I feel like just clicking them.
Administrative tasks are easier to get to in win 8 with a flick and two clicks in the bottom left I’m in anything from disk managemgent to program management, device manager, and even admin level command prompt.
The task manager + file copy overhaul was so overdue, it seems minor enough, but network activity shown as actual data rates instead of a percentage of 1 Gigabit is a good thing.
As for metro initially I largely ignored its existance other than brief hops into the start menu to launch applications. Recently I have begun to use some metro style apps, in particualr the Pandora app a third party Pandora client, its missing features I want but I personally like it better than keeping a pandora browser window open perepetually, but it offers no real benefits beyond that. The second and by far best metro app I use regularly is tweetro, before I had a twitter window open constantly, and tweetro blows away web twitter and it isnt even close. I use twitter mostly for reading news and it loads links and photos posted in tweets that are easily accessible within the app, I love it.
On my laptop with proper touchpad drivers supporting the edge swipe wndows 8 features the experience is even better for app switching, using the charms menu etc.
I can’t wait to get a touch based device for windows 8, although I’m not sure which an atom based detachable keyboard might suit me or maybe a Lenovo Yoga. Using the metro remote desktop app would give me full access to my full pc (in fact I’m writing this post on one pc connected via metro RDP to another one), it looks and functions well enough that I forget which physical pc I’m using at the time.
In short Windows 8 has passed my metric for determining if a new version is worth the upgrade, after I’ve used it and I go back to a previous version do I feel constrained? For me the answer is “yes”. I just don’t want to use 7 anymore.
Administrative tasks are easier to get to in win 8 with a flick and two clicks in the bottom left I’m in anything from disk managemgent to program management, device manager, and even admin level command prompt.
The task manager + file copy overhaul was so overdue, it seems minor enough, but network activity shown as actual data rates instead of a percentage of 1 Gigabit is a good thing.
As for metro initially I largely ignored its existance other than brief hops into the start menu to launch applications. Recently I have begun to use some metro style apps, in particualr the Pandora app a third party Pandora client, its missing features I want but I personally like it better than keeping a pandora browser window open perepetually, but it offers no real benefits beyond that. The second and by far best metro app I use regularly is tweetro, before I had a twitter window open constantly, and tweetro blows away web twitter and it isnt even close. I use twitter mostly for reading news and it loads links and photos posted in tweets that are easily accessible within the app, I love it.
On my laptop with proper touchpad drivers supporting the edge swipe wndows 8 features the experience is even better for app switching, using the charms menu etc.
I can’t wait to get a touch based device for windows 8, although I’m not sure which an atom based detachable keyboard might suit me or maybe a Lenovo Yoga. Using the metro remote desktop app would give me full access to my full pc (in fact I’m writing this post on one pc connected via metro RDP to another one), it looks and functions well enough that I forget which physical pc I’m using at the time.
In short Windows 8 has passed my metric for determining if a new version is worth the upgrade, after I’ve used it and I go back to a previous version do I feel constrained? For me the answer is “yes”. I just don’t want to use 7 anymore.
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Obviously you do not work in a corporate environment. If you did, you would know better than to make a ridiculous statement such as this.
Makaveli
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Perhaps he could say the personal desktop at home. I wouldn't be so sure, but in general desktop sales are declining rapidly.
In the personal market perhaps but not corporate. In a typical office, workers are assigned low to mid cost desktops depending on their function. Laptops are more expensive and do not improve productivity. Tablets make zero impact and worsen office work productivity. Would you prefer to open your spreadsheet across two monitors or on a single 10" screen? I won't even go into security and privacy concerns that the Gramm Leach Bliley Act has placed on businesses.
Management, sales and other functions may use mobile equipment but for the general office masses, it's desktops.
blurredvision
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I didn't really know where else to post this, so I figure here was good. I purchased the $40 online license tonight and started the download. It started very slowly, so I let it go and figured it would be done in a couple of hours. About 3 hours later, it had only downloaded about 38% with an estimated time of around 5 hours to go. This is very slow for the connection I have, so I just gave it a quick pause and resume. It immediately sped up tremendously and downloaded the rest in about 12 minutes.
If this saves one person a couple hours of download time, then I'll be happy.
If this saves one person a couple hours of download time, then I'll be happy.
Skel
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I loaded win8 on a laptop but never really had the chance to dig into it. I didn't care for the UI on the laptop, but as I use it more and more with the Surface tablet it's growing on me pretty fast. I honestly didn't think it would, but it has. Time will tell if I like it long term or if I've reached that age where I don't pick up things as well as I'd like. If that's the case at least I can sit around here and lament my old Win 3.11
I like it but do not like the glaring design difference from the start screen to say for example when I open Chrome and then I see the old style task bar at the bottom. Also, how can I update tile to look the same style/theme? The Firefox, Chrome, Notepad and a few others I have look way worse than the Win 8 tiles
blurredvision
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blurredvision
Lifer
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Go into the desktop, hit Win+X to bring up the menu in the bottom left, and go to File Explorer. Right-click the drive you want to pin and click 'Pin to Start'. It will create a tile on the start screen for you that will open that drive on the desktop.
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