The official US vs. UK thread.

[DivideBYZero]

They aren't new at all, but they are increasing in number faster than before thanks to Tony Blair and New Labour's policies.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/sep/02/education.labour

And? It worked for me. I don't see the issue.

 

[DivideBYZero]

And you call yourself and Englishman? You should be ashamed of yourself...

It's Guinness extra stout or nothing for any real Englishman...

I said before that i'm mainly joshing, i suppose that i can repeat that as many times as i want to because no one seems to understand what it means...

There are a lot of good English brews, US micro brews is just chilled piss, it's not worth the hassle, if you are going to get drunk on shit that tastes bad, just buy vodka.

Dude, I've been making regular trips to Dublin in the last six months. I know Guinness...

 

[DivideBYZero]

I don't believe anybody could actually argue "all US beers are better."
But, the US has a great variety of breweries making all kinds of beer.

Allagash and Ommegang focus on Belgian Style ales, and they make some damn good brews.
Rogue, Dogfish Head, Three Floyds etc are all craft brewers who make a whole variety of beers. Many of them are fantastic!
Then there are smaller brewhouses that only distribute in their home state, such as New Glarus, who make wonderfull beers.
Then there's brewers like Goose Island, Stone, Anchor, etc...

Any and every variety of beer you've ever heard of, as well as pretty much all the ones you've never heard of, come from a multitude of brewers in the USA.

So, while stuff like Miller and Budweiser tastes like watery rice with an occasional hop, and they may dominate the mainstream market, they are not in any way shape or form the total sum of American brewing.

PS, Cask Ales are even starting to gain traction over here, it really is a beer paradise!

I must admit the beer landscape in the US has improved markedly in the last ten years. I was responding to Zin's assertion that the US makes the 'best beer, evar'.

 

[DivideBYZero]

OK, you bastards. I want beer now. Luckily I live within a quater mile of a Hall and Woodhouse pub, serving Badger Beer. Check it out:

http://www.hall-woodhouse.co.uk/beers/badgerales/index.asp

Tangle Foot is a classic. Pickled Partridge is also a great brew, but seasonal (winter) so it should be on tap soon.

 

[Uppsala9496]

...in WWII, one week before Japan attacked and Germany declared war on your sorry arses President Roosevelt said "we will not get involved in EUROPES war" and you wouldn't have if you weren't declared war on, what the fuck could you do at that point? Your lazy arses were put to work and halfway through you did some little stunts and for that you claim YOU won? Heh... that's the epitome of arrogance.

I've been avoiding this whole thread since I think the arguments are a joke. This statement however is completely delusional.
For a man who claims to be SAS one would think your understanding of military history is better.
Without writing a textbook (there are many out there if you are interesting in learning what actually happened), i'll point out some of the more basic flaws. One, yes the US was isolationist at that point. Read up on WWI and what happened afterward to find out why.
Two, the lend lease act. Read up on it. You'll learn about how even though the US was isolationist, Roosevelt understood what was happening and knew the US was going to be involved sooner or later. Don't assume it was solely japan attacking pearl harbor that involved the US in the global conflict.
Three, little stunts....such as maybe being the reason the conflict ended with the nazi's out of western europe? You do realize that the english were unable to advance out of the british isles after 1940 without us helo? Dunkirk? Didn't work. And don't even think to say el alamein and north africa was because of the british.
I guess the little stunt was the us stepping in and patronizing that buffoon montgomery and letting the english have their little hero so they could feel good about themselves.

 

[DivideBYZero]

I've been avoiding this whole thread since I think the arguments are a joke. This statement however is completely delusional.
For a man who claims to be SAS one would think your understanding of military history is better.
Without writing a textbook (there are many out there if you are interesting in learning what actually happened), i'll point out some of the more basic flaws. One, yes the US was isolationist at that point. Read up on WWI and what happened afterward to find out why.
Two, the lend lease act. Read up on it. You'll learn about how even though the US was isolationist, Roosevelt understood what was happening and knew the US was going to be involved sooner or later. Don't assume it was solely japan attacking pearl harbor that involved the US in the global conflict.
Three, little stunts....such as maybe being the reason the conflict ended with the nazi's out of western europe? You do realize that the english were unable to advance out of the british isles after 1940 without us helo? Dunkirk? Didn't work. And don't even think to say el alamein and north africa was because of the british.
I guess the little stunt was the us stepping in and patronizing that buffoon montgomery and letting the english have their little hero so they could feel good about themselves.

Fuck off, this thread is about beer.

 

[BurnItDwn]

OK, you bastards. I want beer now. Luckily I live within a quater mile of a Hall and Woodhouse pub, serving Badger Beer. Check it out:

http://www.hall-woodhouse.co.uk/beers/badgerales/index.asp

Tangle Foot is a classic. Pickled Partridge is also a great brew, but seasonal (winter) so it should be on tap soon.

Hopping Hare sounds fvcking awesome. Fursty Ferret sounds really good too, I like a good brown ale from time to time!
Tangle Food doesn't sound bad, as long as "smooth" doesn't mean "flavorless."

I want beer too, I have 0 beers left at home

 

[AMDZen]

Australia is, by far, the worst 1st world country in the world.

 

[zinfamous]

Learn how to read, twat, draught and lagers are pop for adults and if you consider extra stout to be watered down you know absolutely nothing about beer.

Stick to the cough syrup you usually drink instead.

the porter (draught) is watered down and unremarkable. I said no such thing about their extra stout. I said it was OK, but inferior to many other stouts--Sammy Smith Oatmeal for one, Rogue Shakespeare or Dragonstooth (both US beers). read, you little twat.

The best beer that they make is the Foreign Extra, but it is not very widely distributed.

This is funny, I've actually done quite a bit of arguing for the UK beer industry in this thread, and I only come out and point to your vast non-exposure of real US and North American beers as coloring your ignorance, yet you attack me for saying nothing bad about UK beers?

interesting.


I am also convinced that the best porters are Baltic Porters. quite yum.

 

[zinfamous]

And you call yourself and Englishman? You should be ashamed of yourself...

It's Guinness extra stout or nothing for any real Englishman...

I said before that i'm mainly joshing, i suppose that i can repeat that as many times as i want to because no one seems to understand what it means...

There are a lot of good English brews, US micro brews is just chilled piss, it's not worth the hassle, if you are going to get drunk on shit that tastes bad, just buy vodka.

I don't know why you go on about such a purely Irish Institution as "truly English."

Shouldn't you, as a true Englishman, consider all Irishmen to be worthy only of your slop, or as a possible compliment to breakfast?

True Englishman should prefer their cask ales and Lagers. Scotsman drink malt whiskey, which is what you have professed to be.

 

[zinfamous]

I must admit the beer landscape in the US has improved markedly in the last ten years. I was responding to Zin's assertion that the US makes the 'best beer, evar'.

Did I say we make the best beer? I'm arguing that we are the best place for beer. We make just about everything. Our market is much, much bigger.

that is what I'm saying. Since you seem to think Shiner Bock is indicative of our market, then I'll just assume you have little to no exposure of American brewing.

This is all b/c of our immigration, of course. There is no true American style, as all styles, afaik, were developed well before the establishment of the USA. IT was the immigrants who brought their particular styles with them, establishing their home-grown methods wherever they settled.

make no mistake: prior to prohibition, the market was some 80%, probably more, larger than it is today. it has been a long recovery, mostly import to repealing ridiculously outdated interstate distribution and production laws and such, but things are thriving right now.

Where individual European countries are known for their specific styles, which they do quite well, of course--we do them all, and quite well.

That's my point.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Did I say we make the best beer? I'm arguing that we are the best place for beer. We make just about everything. Our market is much, much bigger.

that is what I'm saying. Since you seem to think Shiner Bock is indicative of our market, then I'll just assume you have little to no exposure of American brewing.

This is all b/c of our immigration, of course. There is no true American style, as all styles, afaik, were developed well before the establishment of the USA. IT was the immigrants who brought their particular styles with them, establishing their home-grown methods wherever they settled.

make no mistake: prior to prohibition, the market was some 80%, probably more, larger than it is today. it has been a long recovery, mostly import to repealing ridiculously outdated interstate distribution and production laws and such, but things are thriving right now.

Where individual European countries are known for their specific styles, which they do quite well, of course--we do them all, and quite well.

That's my point.

I disagree.

 

[0roo0roo]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/nov/02/prisoners-vote-european-court-human-rights
lol uk bitchified by the eu human rights court... murderers can now vote

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

I don't know why you go on about such a purely Irish Institution as "truly English."

Shouldn't you, as a true Englishman, consider all Irishmen to be worthy only of your slop, or as a possible compliment to breakfast?

True Englishman should prefer their cask ales and Lagers. Scotsman drink malt whiskey, which is what you have professed to be.

No, true Englishmen take the best out of every culture we conquered, such as the Guiness extra Stout.

Aye, it's Laphroaig or nothing at all, 10 year old or nothing at all.

It's as good for breakfast as it is for lunch and dinner!

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Did I say we make the best beer? I'm arguing that we are the best place for beer. We make just about everything. Our market is much, much bigger.

that is what I'm saying. Since you seem to think Shiner Bock is indicative of our market, then I'll just assume you have little to no exposure of American brewing.

This is all b/c of our immigration, of course. There is no true American style, as all styles, afaik, were developed well before the establishment of the USA. IT was the immigrants who brought their particular styles with them, establishing their home-grown methods wherever they settled.

make no mistake: prior to prohibition, the market was some 80%, probably more, larger than it is today. it has been a long recovery, mostly import to repealing ridiculously outdated interstate distribution and production laws and such, but things are thriving right now.

Where individual European countries are known for their specific styles, which they do quite well, of course--we do them all, and quite well.

That's my point.

Blablablablabla....

Do you EVER stop talking...

Have a fucking Guiness extra stout and shut the fuck up.

It's good for your appearence, trust me on that.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

I've been avoiding this whole thread since I think the arguments are a joke. This statement however is completely delusional.
For a man who claims to be SAS one would think your understanding of military history is better.
Without writing a textbook (there are many out there if you are interesting in learning what actually happened), i'll point out some of the more basic flaws. One, yes the US was isolationist at that point. Read up on WWI and what happened afterward to find out why.
Two, the lend lease act. Read up on it. You'll learn about how even though the US was isolationist, Roosevelt understood what was happening and knew the US was going to be involved sooner or later. Don't assume it was solely japan attacking pearl harbor that involved the US in the global conflict.
Three, little stunts....such as maybe being the reason the conflict ended with the nazi's out of western europe? You do realize that the english were unable to advance out of the british isles after 1940 without us helo? Dunkirk? Didn't work. And don't even think to say el alamein and north africa was because of the british.
I guess the little stunt was the us stepping in and patronizing that buffoon montgomery and letting the english have their little hero so they could feel good about themselves.

Yeah, i like Laphroaig too, ten year old only, i'm glad you agree, next time, just skip to saying that and you won't forget it.

Annnnnd... action...

 

[DivideBYZero]

Oban single malt says you're wrong.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/nov/02/prisoners-vote-european-court-human-rights
lol uk bitchified by the eu human rights court... murderers can now vote

tbh I don't see much wrong in this. It's worse to allow ex-felons to exist as second-class citizens with no chance of becoming a part of society again. Of course, murderers should all be attempted murderers via a right to protect one's self with violent force, but that's a separate problem with the UK.

 

[daw123]

Oban single malt says you're wrong.

I went to the Oban distillery 2 years ago. An interesting and very informative tour.

 

[0roo0roo]

tbh I don't see much wrong in this. It's worse to allow ex-felons to exist as second-class citizens with no chance of becoming a part of society again. Of course, murderers should all be attempted murderers via a right to protect one's self with violent force, but that's a separate problem with the UK.

well thats the thinig, it doesn't allow distinctions between a shoplifter and a murderer, i don't care if you think it makes them a second class citizen if they can't vote, a murderer or someone who commits a serious crime is already a second class citizen once they have had their freedom stripped from them. if they broke the law, they shouldn't have a say in the law. the eu takes the right to make this decision out of the uk's hands..which is a total joke.

 

[SSSnail]

Hey, look what I found!