The Official Microsoft E3 2013 thread

[chalmers]

Or Sony isn't entirely forthcoming on how the DRM will work. It could be up to the publishers, and if they do implement it, used games won't work on PS4 either. Or, they could not implement it in the Xbox One and it works the same on both consoles exactly the same.

After that huge reveal, I highly doubt there'll be any type of DRM on the PS4. They wouldn't have made such a big deal in their presentation if they knew they were hiding something as big as that, knowing they'd be garnering such huge PR for the move, only to piss off people even worse than they currently are at MS.

I can't see that personally at least. Sounds you're reaching a bit there.

 

[purbeast0]

Or Sony isn't entirely forthcoming on how the DRM will work. It could be up to the publishers, and if they do implement it, used games won't work on PS4 either. Or, they could not implement it in the Xbox One and it works the same on both consoles exactly the same.

you can't be serious dude...

sony couldn't have been any MORE forthcoming about it. they had fucking slides on it.

 

[exdeath]

i think if the x1 was $400 and the x1 had no drm stuff, and ps4 announcing $5/mo to play online, that the ps4 would be in a lot of trouble. but it is the exact opposite, ms is going to be the one in trouble.

but ps3 started out much more expensive than the 360, and came out later, and in the end run, they were about even.

Even? Do the 360 totals reflect people having to buy their 360 at least 3 times due to RROD?

 

[smackababy]

you can't be serious dude...

sony couldn't have been any MORE forthcoming about it. they had fucking slides on it.

I just don't trust EA to give up that easy on killing the used game market. They could do all digital download games only on the PS4. Can't trade those. There is going to be some way EA and Activision and Ubisoft attempt to destroy used games.

 

[smackababy]

Even? Do the 360 totals reflect people having to buy their 360 at least 3 times due to RROD?

Nobody bought 3 Xbox's because of RRoD. How many people bought multiple PS3s because of YLOD? I don't think that was covered under and extended warranty.

 

[cmdrdredd]

I just don't trust EA to give up that easy on killing the used game market. They could do all digital download games only on the PS4. Can't trade those. There is going to be some way EA and Activision and Ubisoft attempt to destroy used games.

Madden25 on disk for PS4
http://www.gamestop.com/ps4/games/madden-nfl-25/109948

 

[purbeast0]

I just don't trust EA to give up that easy on killing the used game market. They could do all digital download games only on the PS4. Can't trade those. There is going to be some way EA and Activision and Ubisoft attempt to destroy used games.

man you are really grasping for straws. give it up. you sound like the wife who can't admit she is wrong.

 

[Durvelle27]

Nobody bought 3 Xbox's because of RRoD. How many people bought multiple PS3s because of YLOD? I don't think that was covered under and extended warranty.

Actually YLOD was covered under warranty but without warranty Sony charged $150 to repair/replace

I can concur more ppl had the RROD compared to YLOD. I had two xbox 360s RR on me

 

[digiram]

Damn... Xbox is gonna have to make Live free or they done. They shouldve pushed for 299 price and make money back on subs. 499+ subs + ps4 @ 399... Bye Xbox

 

[BeaviSKY]

Even? Do the 360 totals reflect people having to buy their 360 at least 3 times due to RROD?

I'm on my 3rd. But M$ paid for repair both times, even after owning it 5 years.

RROD wasn't great, but they handled warrantying them very well.

 

[BeaviSKY]

Maybe someone went over this already, but is PS4 going to do full game installs like XB1.

If they are, I don't see how it's possible for them to avoid some kind of DRM.

 

[KaOTiK]

I'm on my 3rd. But M$ paid for repair both times, even after owning it 5 years.

RROD wasn't great, but they handled warrantying them very well.

But it took them a year to even fess up to it being a problem after pending legal action iirc to start covering it. Before then they were charging people to fix the systems that were RROD and a lot of people were purchasing new systems instead. I remember it damn well because I knew a lot of people that went through a few 360's before MS started covering it and they were pissed, rightfully so.

 

[exdeath]

I just don't trust EA to give up that easy on killing the used game market. They could do all digital download games only on the PS4. Can't trade those. There is going to be some way EA and Activision and Ubisoft attempt to destroy used games.

No loss, nothing EA has that I'm interested in.

 

[KaOTiK]

Maybe someone went over this already, but is PS4 going to do full game installs like XB1.

If they are, I don't see how it's possible for them to avoid some kind of DRM.

We don't know (or at least I don't think it was said), but this is simple, just having the disc in the machine to do a verification you own it is all that needs to be done.

 

[exdeath]

Nobody bought 3 Xbox's because of RRoD. How many people bought multiple PS3s because of YLOD? I don't think that was covered under and extended warranty.

Please. RROD was FAR FAR more common on 360 than YLOD.

I used to even brag about my original Elite HDMI model lasting forever until it finally died once some games finally came out that I played for days on end.

 

[cmdrdredd]

I know people who had multiple Xbox 360s fail within a few months, prior to the warranty extension and they sold them for parts on ebay before they found out they could have gotten them fixed. They replaced them with new consoles though.

They owned more than one and they failed for the same RROD.

 

[Midwayman]

I just don't trust EA to give up that easy on killing the used game market. They could do all digital download games only on the PS4. Can't trade those. There is going to be some way EA and Activision and Ubisoft attempt to destroy used games.

Well, the announcement is about disc based games, not DD. I suppose in theory one could do only DD for large console games, but that would be slitting your own throat initially. Sony did say awhile back that online codes would be up to the devs, and they didn't exactly counter that. You could see EA doing the whole 'free DLC' with a new game bit on the ps4, but not on the xb1. Though I think they've been backing off that recently. I doubt we'll get a whole lot more clarity in the short term. I wonder if MS will stick to their guns on the whole DRM bit now? If it ends up like it looks now I can totally see gamestop opting out of the whole xb1 used game market, and only offering new titles along side the cheaper used ps4 titles.

 

[BeaviSKY]

We don't know (or at least I don't think it was said), but this is simple, just having the disc in the machine to do a verification you own it is all that needs to be done.

Yeah, but that's kind of a PITA. PC's been moving this way for years. I can see being pissed about the daily phone home, but DRM is going to be the new reality at some point. It will all just come down to how M$ and the developers handle resale activations. If they're nazis about it the backlash will be fierce. But if it turns out to be a PC-style activation process, nobody will think twice.

 

[exdeath]

Well, the announcement is about disc based games, not DD. I suppose in theory one could do only DD for large console games, but that would be slitting your own throat initially. Sony did say awhile back that online codes would be up to the devs, and they didn't exactly counter that. You could see EA doing the whole 'free DLC' with a new game bit on the ps4, but not on the xb1. Though I think they've been backing off that recently. I doubt we'll get a whole lot more clarity in the short term. I wonder if MS will stick to their guns on the whole DRM bit now? If it ends up like it looks now I can totally see gamestop opting out of the whole xb1 used game market, and only offering new titles along side the cheaper used ps4 titles.

Personally I'll be buying new on principal to show support for Sony and any devs who embrace consumer content ownership and not "leasing of licences". Except EA and Activision. I'll wait until theirs drop to $29.99 then I'll buy the used one for $10 at the swap meet. IF they have anything I MUST have.

Well see if they change their tone with DRM after we see how consumers respond to Sony's nuclear strike tonight.

 

[tential]

I just don't trust EA to give up that easy on killing the used game market. They could do all digital download games only on the PS4. Can't trade those. There is going to be some way EA and Activision and Ubisoft attempt to destroy used games.

EA already has DRM don't they? I remember having to type in a code I got with my BF3 games. This is why I'm not completely sold as of now yet. There is NOTHING stopping game developers from making their games have DRM. Games have already had it in the past.

Sony may just be saying "The PS4 does not have DRM!" which is a very true statement, but it doesn't stop developers from adding it in as we've seen in the past.

This is why I'm waiting til October/September before I care about the DRM issue since it's already been included in current generation games on BOTH consoles.

 

[KaOTiK]

EA already has DRM don't they? I remember having to type in a code I got with my BF3 games. This is why I'm not completely sold as of now yet. There is NOTHING stopping game developers from making their games have DRM. Games have already had it in the past.

Sony may just be saying "The PS4 does not have DRM!" which is a very true statement, but it doesn't stop developers from adding it in as we've seen in the past.

This is why I'm waiting til October/September before I care about the DRM issue since it's already been included in current generation games on BOTH consoles.

Yes, EA had those online passes. A new game would come with a code if you wanted to play online you had to input the code and it would unlock multiplayer, if you didn't have a code it was $10.

EA also announced like 2 months or so ago that they were getting rid of that system.

Sony couldn't have been anymore clear, they have not put any DRM into their system. Publishers can if they choose to put some in as they currently can do, but Sony has not built infrastructure and features around it at all where MS has.

 

[tential]

Yes, EA had those online passes. A new game would come with a code if you wanted to play online you had to input the code and it would unlock multiplayer, if you didn't have a code it was $10.

EA also announced like 2 months or so ago that they were getting rid of that system.

Sony couldn't have been anymore clear, they have not put any DRM into their system. Publishers can if they choose to put some in as they currently can do, but Sony has not built infrastructure and features around it at all where MS has.

Didn't know about that.

I'm not supporting MS, because again, I don't know what the future holds yet, but it could be a good thing for MS to have DRM built in for when developers choose to implement it. Currently, the way it works, if you want to trade or give away an online pass to a game with locked multiplayer you can't. With built in, the system now becomes easy to give away or trade for a fee or whatever. It can all be done in the xbox eco system.

Without it, you're stuck using a third party system that may or may not work, takes time, and requires you to leave the console to a website and figure it out on your own.

Just playing devil's advocate though.

As it stands I'm waiting til September, before I preorder anything or wait in line for a console, but it will probably be a PS4 unless MS can explain to me the benefits of cloud computing better, or just explain any of their features better for that matter.

 

[KaOTiK]

Didn't know about that.

I'm not supporting MS, because again, I don't know what the future holds yet, but it could be a good thing for MS to have DRM built in for when developers choose to implement it. Currently, the way it works, if you want to trade or give away an online pass to a game with locked multiplayer you can't. With built in, the system now becomes easy to give away or trade for a fee or whatever. It can all be done in the xbox eco system.

Without it, you're stuck using a third party system that may or may not work, takes time, and requires you to leave the console to a website and figure it out on your own.

Just playing devil's advocate though.

As it stands I'm waiting til September, before I preorder anything or wait in line for a console, but it will probably be a PS4 unless MS can explain to me the benefits of cloud computing better, or just explain any of their features better for that matter.

I'm not sure if I am not following you correctly or you are not following me, so I apologize if I am trying to clear this up in the simplest way I can.

With the current online pass system. If say I buy Madden new and go play online, I have to use the online pass that came with my new copy. Now say I want to sell/give the game to my friend and he wants to play online. When he selects multiplayer it comes up with a screen saying input code or purchase an online pass for $10 right now through PSN/Live and it unlocks the multiplayer then for him. If you want to trade the game in, currently online passes do not increase or decrease trade in values for games so it doesn't matter either way.

With the X1, you buy a new game, if you want to sell/trade it to your friend that can only be done once , but he gets the entire game like he bought it new. If you want to trade the game in, you can only do it at select retailers that are able to do it.


I could be wrong, but that is at least how I remember reading it.

 

[cmdrdredd]

In my opinion Killer Instinct is a failure right out the gate. Pay walled free to play game with only one character (jago) unless you pay for other character s separately.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/11/killer-instinct-is-a-fun-free-to-play-xbox-one-launch-game

 

[shingletingle]

Nobody bought 3 Xbox's because of RRoD. How many people bought multiple PS3s because of YLOD? I don't think that was covered under and extended warranty.

How much is Microsoft paying you?