The Official ANTI-WOKE anti-lgbt conservaterrorist mob thread!

[brycejones]

Isn't the entire animal kingdom divided into male/female based on reproductive ability? Parthenogenesis doesn't often occur in the higher life forms.

And some say you’re smart

 

[kitkat22]

Isn't the entire animal kingdom divided into male/female based on reproductive ability? Parthenogenesis doesn't often occur in the higher life forms.

I guess I should spell it out more:

Legislating the definitions of male and female based on reproductive ability is not scientific. While the vast majority of sexually reproducing animals can be divided into male and female, every scientist knows there are exceptions. In other words, gray area. In further other words, poorly defined. So, lets wander into that thought experiment a bit.

By definition, a female is scientifically defined an animal with eggs and a male is defined as producing sperm. The distinction is based on the size of the gametes with eggs being larger and sperm being smaller. Not going to argue with these definitions because they are the definitions. Then comes the fun part of this discussion and one you clearly don't get.

How do you define a person with no ovaries, but has a vagina and uterus and also XX? There is such a thing as ovarian agenesis.
How do you define a person with no testes, but with a penis? testicular agenesis exists.
How do you define a person with ovotestis? They theoretically produce sperm and eggs
How do you define a person without ovaries or testes? male? female?
How do you define a person who is XY but born with a vagina and uterus and has regular menses?
How do you define a person where the SRY gene translocates to an X chromosome leading to an XX male? (yes, they produce sperm, but can only offspring daughters.)
How do you define a person based on secondary characteristics when their primary characteristics are different? Such as klinefelters and turners?
How do you define a person who essentially doesn't produce sex hormones or sex hormones are variable leading to, again, inability to reproduce
Why do we have fertility clinics if you should be able to reproduce naturally?
How do you define a person with one ovary and one testis - such as the case with chimerism?

BTW, the scientific terms are not black and white as you so imply. Scientists are very much aware of variations in sex and gender. You just choose to use these definitions as completely strict with no variability. Hence the stupidity in legislating "male and female."

1 in 118 children have sex chromosome or autosomal chromosome abnormalities. Essentially 1%. That doesn't even begin to account for all the other gene mutations out there - you know what, I feel like listing them. Each one of these genes is associated with complete sex reversal. Think about that for a second - "COMPLETE SEX REVERSAL."

FGFR1, CHD7, GDNF, IGF1, IGF1R, MC2R, SEMA3A, SOX9, WTI, KISSI, PSPN, PSPN, SPPI, WNT4, AMG, ARTN, BDNF, DHCR7, DUSP6, FLRT3, INHBB, KISS1R, MAP3K1, NGF, NPY, SAA1, TBXA2R, TGTB1, TSHB, VWF, ZNF208, AMHR2, APP, AR, CBBX2, CGA, CXCL1, CXCL10, CXCL12, CXCL13, CXCL16, CXCL2, CXCL3, CXCL5, CXCL6, DHH, DMRT1, DMRT2, ESR1, ETS1, F2, FGF1, FGF17, FGF2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, FSHB, GCG, GHRL, GNRH1, GNRH2, GNRHR, HESX1, HS6STI, IAPP, IL17RD, INHBA, LHB, NR0B1, NR5A1, NRTN, NSMF, PAX6, PDGFA, POMC, PPBP, PROK2, PROKR2, PSAP, PTH, RAC1-3, RARA, RARB, RSPO1, RXRA, RXRB, RXRG, SOX10, SOX3, SPRY4, SRY, TAC1, TAC3, TACR3, WDR11.

Keep bringing it on dude. I'm a medical doctor with research experience. I've got my pubmed search ready to go. LOL!

 

[Greenman]

I guess I should spell it out more:

Legislating the definitions of male and female based on reproductive ability is not scientific. While the vast majority of sexually reproducing animals can be divided into male and female, every scientist knows there are exceptions. In other words, gray area. In further other words, poorly defined. So, lets wander into that thought experiment a bit.

By definition, a female is scientifically defined an animal with eggs and a male is defined as producing sperm. The distinction is based on the size of the gametes with eggs being larger and sperm being smaller. Not going to argue with these definitions because they are the definitions. Then comes the fun part of this discussion and one you clearly don't get.

How do you define a person with no ovaries, but has a vagina and uterus and also XX? There is such a thing as ovarian agenesis.
How do you define a person with no testes, but with a penis? testicular agenesis exists.
How do you define a person with ovotestis? They theoretically produce sperm and eggs
How do you define a person without ovaries or testes? male? female?
How do you define a person who is XY but born with a vagina and uterus and has regular menses?
How do you define a person where the SRY gene translocates to an X chromosome leading to an XX male? (yes, they produce sperm, but can only offspring daughters.)
How do you define a person based on secondary characteristics when their primary characteristics are different? Such as klinefelters and turners?
How do you define a person who essentially doesn't produce sex hormones or sex hormones are variable leading to, again, inability to reproduce
Why do we have fertility clinics if you should be able to reproduce naturally?
How do you define a person with one ovary and one testis - such as the case with chimerism?

BTW, the scientific terms are not black and white as you so imply. Scientists are very much aware of variations in sex and gender. You just choose to use these definitions as completely strict with no variability. Hence the stupidity in legislating "male and female."

1 in 118 children have sex chromosome or autosomal chromosome abnormalities. Essentially 1%. That doesn't even begin to account for all the other gene mutations out there - you know what, I feel like listing them. Each one of these genes is associated with complete sex reversal. Think about that for a second - "COMPLETE SEX REVERSAL."

FGFR1, CHD7, GDNF, IGF1, IGF1R, MC2R, SEMA3A, SOX9, WTI, KISSI, PSPN, PSPN, SPPI, WNT4, AMG, ARTN, BDNF, DHCR7, DUSP6, FLRT3, INHBB, KISS1R, MAP3K1, NGF, NPY, SAA1, TBXA2R, TGTB1, TSHB, VWF, ZNF208, AMHR2, APP, AR, CBBX2, CGA, CXCL1, CXCL10, CXCL12, CXCL13, CXCL16, CXCL2, CXCL3, CXCL5, CXCL6, DHH, DMRT1, DMRT2, ESR1, ETS1, F2, FGF1, FGF17, FGF2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, FSHB, GCG, GHRL, GNRH1, GNRH2, GNRHR, HESX1, HS6STI, IAPP, IL17RD, INHBA, LHB, NR0B1, NR5A1, NRTN, NSMF, PAX6, PDGFA, POMC, PPBP, PROK2, PROKR2, PSAP, PTH, RAC1-3, RARA, RARB, RSPO1, RXRA, RXRB, RXRG, SOX10, SOX3, SPRY4, SRY, TAC1, TAC3, TACR3, WDR11.

Keep bringing it on dude. I'm a medical doctor with research experience. I've got my pubmed search ready to go. LOL!

You don't define the group by the outliers. Yes, there are people with birth defects that clearly fall outside the norms. The vast majority of the animal kingdom is male or female. The two groups are the entire system, without the two sexes, none of the others would exist.

 

[sandorski]

You don't define the group by the outliers. Yes, there are people with birth defects that clearly fall outside the norms. The vast majority of the animal kingdom is male or female. The two groups are the entire system, without the two sexes, none of the others would exist.

What makes it a Birth Defect? They are rare variations, like Red Hair or Left Handedness.

 

[brycejones]

What makes it a Birth Defect? They are rare variations, like Red Hair or Left Handedness.

Anything that confuses greenman?

 

[fskimospy]

You don't define the group by the outliers. Yes, there are people with birth defects that clearly fall outside the norms. The vast majority of the animal kingdom is male or female. The two groups are the entire system, without the two sexes, none of the others would exist.

I think the main issue here is the continuing lack of understanding that sex and gender are not the same thing.

Once a person understands that this entire problem goes away.

 

[kitkat22]

You don't define the group by the outliers. Yes, there are people with birth defects that clearly fall outside the norms. The vast majority of the animal kingdom is male or female. The two groups are the entire system, without the two sexes, none of the others would exist.

Wait, so labels are important? And it's ok to ignore the outliers? So you agree there are exceptions? What about the cultures that recognize a "third sex?" My god, you are struggling.

Let me try this another way:

What defines someone as black or hispanic? Color of the skin? Country of origin? What if you have a child with one black parent and one white parent? What if you have a black child with albinism? Wait, you can't define a group by the outliers?

There's lots of outliers and DSD isn't "rare."

Sex is more than just the primary gonads - sex is a combination of characteristics, both primary and secondary that assist in helping define male and female - man and woman. This is part of the problem with defining male and female and narrow terms because there is more that goes into this.

Primary sex characteristics
1) eggs/sperm
2) ovaries/testes
3) vagina/penis
4) uterus/prostate
5) genetics/chromosomes
6) sex hormones

Secondary characteristics
1) breast development
2) fat distribution
3) hormone levels
4) facial structure
5) bone/muscle development

Sex is not just defined in the animal kingdom as just the production of eggs/sperm.

The definition of gender has evolved over time. 30-40 years ago gender and sex were interchangeable. As time has gone on, we needed a way to distinguish body characteristics and perception and thus the term "gender" has evolved into "the state of being male or female."

 

[sandorski]

If CocknBalls=Male then what CocknBalls does='Manly'

Or does it? It doesn't, but Transphobes both need the above to be True and False in their Worldview.

 

[kitkat22]

Wait, so labels are important? And it's ok to ignore the outliers? So you agree there are exceptions? What about the cultures that recognize a "third sex?" My god, you are struggling.

Let me try this another way:

What defines someone as black or hispanic? Color of the skin? Country of origin? What if you have a child with one black parent and one white parent? What if you have a black child with albinism? Wait, you can't define a group by the outliers?

There's lots of outliers and DSD isn't "rare."

Sex is more than just the primary gonads - sex is a combination of characteristics, both primary and secondary that assist in helping define male and female - man and woman. This is part of the problem with defining male and female and narrow terms because there is more that goes into this.

Primary sex characteristics
1) eggs/sperm
2) ovaries/testes
3) vagina/penis
4) uterus/prostate
5) genetics/chromosomes
6) sex hormones

Secondary characteristics
1) breast development
2) fat distribution
3) hormone levels
4) facial structure
5) bone/muscle development

Sex is not just defined in the animal kingdom as just the production of eggs/sperm.

The definition of gender has evolved over time. 30-40 years ago gender and sex were interchangeable. As time has gone on, we needed a way to distinguish body characteristics and perception and thus the term "gender" has evolved into "the state of being male or female."

BTW, the variations on the primary sex characteristics is where we get "intersex" conditions.

So, to clear up the definitions - lets look a little closer - by the definitions of these laws we need to make sure that all females have eggs at birth and all men produce sperm. BTW, sperm it not produced at birth and production starts at puberty. So, yeah, let's test everyone! sounds like an invasion of privacy to me.

Gotta make sure all those females have eggs - so they need a biopsy of the ovaries. or do we wait for the first menses?
When do you think we should test sperm production? Puberty is variable when it starts - 12? 14? 18?

 

[Indus]

You don't define the group by the outliers. Yes, there are people with birth defects that clearly fall outside the norms. The vast majority of the animal kingdom is male or female. The two groups are the entire system, without the two sexes, none of the others would exist.

You sure love to cherry pick science again and again when it favors you or so you think.. all it shows is you:

IGNORING: animals that can change gender (clownfish is just 1 of many)

IGNORING: climate change

IGNORING: pollution

IGNORING: smoking causes cancer

IGNORING: N95 masks work against viruses


This guy isn't worth arguing with.. much better ignoring.. since either stupid like a dumb trumpanzee high on orange piss or paid bot!

No one else could be this stupid!

 

[Pens1566]

Anything that confuses greenman?

Uh, that's not exactly rare.

 

[brycejones]

Uh, that's not exactly rare.

Exactly

 

[kitkat22]

Oh oh, turns out the animal kingdom has Disorders of sexual development too. (Surprised face with eye roll)

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0378432020302256

We use animal models to study diseases and even make medications. It's why we study mice, zebrafish, rhesus monkeys and horses. There is a lot of genetic conservation across species and many disease processes have analogous diseases in humans.

Fun fact, my medication, Benefix, is derived from genetically modified secretions from Chinese hamster ovaries and costs $1000000/yr.

 

[kitkat22]

Movie Review: What does it mean to be intersex? ‘Every Body’ sheds light on little-known subject

The new documentary “Every Body” opens with footage of elaborate, often absurd “gender reveals.”

abcnews.go.com

Estimated 1 in 50 have intersex traits.

 

[Indus]

Thank you Beau..

For the fucktards that're happy to pretend problem goes away if there's no LGBTQ, only LGB.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Republican attorneys issue a "warning" letter to Target about pride merchandise...

Republican attorneys general issue warning letter to Target about Pride merchandise

The letter did not include any specific demands nor did it outline how the attorneys general believe the campaign could violate child protection laws.

www.cbsnews.com

Besides me noticing the gross denial of a supposed big conservative no-no of having government telling a private enterprise what to do…My conservative decoder ring translates what the attorneys are saying here as: ‘Our bigoted interests need to be satisfied! Stop letting the “others” have freedoms!’

 

[skyking]

IANAL, but that letter smells actionable to me. I hope Target takes them to task.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Republican attorneys issue a "warning" letter to Target about pride merchandise...

Republican attorneys general issue warning letter to Target about Pride merchandise

The letter did not include any specific demands nor did it outline how the attorneys general believe the campaign could violate child protection laws.

www.cbsnews.com

Besides me noticing the gross denial of a supposed big conservative no-no of having government telling a private enterprise what to do…My conservative decoder ring translates what the attorneys are saying here as: ‘Our bigoted interests need to be satisfied! Stop letting the “others” have freedoms!’

what happened to the government not "censoring" speech? didn't the courts just say that the feds can't discuss election security strategies with facebook?

 

[kitkat22]

On 'Face the Nation,' Gov. Cox asked about transgender youth, guns, social media

On a Sunday appearance on

www.ksl.com

I read this today and I am shocked I tell you! Shocked! /s

I actually started laughing. "the AAP is politicized." "I am the source of truth." "I'm not biased." "I have sources."

Yeah, those doctors and scientists. We only trust the ones that tell us what we want to hear... (eye roll)

 

[nakedfrog]

Has everybody read about the guevodoces? Interesting stuff.

Güevedoce - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I guess I should spell it out more:

Legislating the definitions of male and female based on reproductive ability is not scientific. While the vast majority of sexually reproducing animals can be divided into male and female, every scientist knows there are exceptions. In other words, gray area. In further other words, poorly defined. So, lets wander into that thought experiment a bit.

This is all beside the point that the only reason to legislatively define these terms is to punish people who aren't cisgender.

 

[MrSquished]

I'm pretty sure these people are not reachable.....Random white fascism marches in cities now.

https://www.reddit.com/r/texas/comments/14vwvk5

 

[Amused]

I'm pretty sure these people are not reachable.....Random white fascism marches in cities now.

https://www.reddit.com/r/texas/comments/14vwvk5

The ONLY news about it.

Homegrown Neo-Fascist Movement Marches in Austin

Researchers have identified dozens of members of the white nationalist group—and no, they’re not “feds.”

www.texasobserver.org

 

[Fenixgoon]

I'm pretty sure these people are not reachable.....Random white fascism marches in cities now.

https://www.reddit.com/r/texas/comments/14vwvk5

oh i have pictures from a few years back when there was some bullshit patriot march in austin. it isn't new per se, especially for texas.

i took these photos in downtown Austin on July 1, 2017. first time i really looked these photos closely - notice that the woman in the foreground of the left photo has her index finger hovering near the trigger. because she'll totally need to respond to someone opening fire on her or something

 

[brycejones]

It’s not going well for this hair stylist after saying trans customers should go to the dog groomer.

Traverse City salon fallout: Hair product line drops salon after anti-transgender post

Studio 8 Hair Lab in Traverse City is losing business after announcing that members of the LGBTQ+ community are unwelcome at the salon.

www.freep.com

 

[dainthomas]

I think the main issue here is the continuing lack of understanding that sex and gender are not the same thing.

Once a person understands that this entire problem goes away.

But then conservatives would have to conjure up some other fake social issue to distract from their lack of popular policies.