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Another awesome gem a person sent me.

"well, I am not a doctor but I do know what the Bible says. God created man, male and female. Now, I understand that because we live in a fallen world, we have things like disease, birth defects, genetic conditions, disabilities, Joe Biden, and much more. Because of my genetics, I have ocular albinism that wrecked my vision and made my skin very fare and even my ears a little small. I don’t expect the world to change for me. I make the effort because I know that it is not about me. Much in the same way as I deal with my ADD and anxiety. It is my problem not societies, though society does help through foundations and organizations for the visually impaired. I have no demands of society. The trans movement, however, does have demands. Some want misgendering to be a crime, some demand to be let in places that are not appropriate like locker rooms, bathrooms, athletic competitions where they may have a biological advantage. I also feel very strongly about the renewed marginalization of women. We see trans woman winning woman of the year awards after 1 year identifying as a woman. What does that say to woman other than, once again, women are pushed to the back burner like they are not good enough. In its truest sense, I am a terf and I will stand for the women that bare our children and have been trampled on for thousands of years. I will do my best to always treat people kindly, all people but I will stand for what I believe is right. I’m not negating intersex people, of course those people exist and should be treated with kindness and understanding unless they start pushing their agenda in schools. Some want to override what parent’s want taught in schools. This is because they want to get the kids indoctrinated against some parent’s wishes. This is why people use the word “grooming”. I know this sounds harsh but I’m just trying to be honest. Oh, one more thing about how you said you were being legislated out of existence. How is that? I mean you disappeared in high school one day out of the blue but I’m pretty sure no one can legislate you out of existence in this country at least."

Ita so bad I have no idea where to start. My response was to pretty much have a nice day. 🙄
Odd that they declare themselves to be a "TERF". The "RF", after all, stands for "radical feminist".

As I understand it, it refers to people like Julie Bindel (a particular enemy of trans-gender people), who tend to be "political lesbians" - promoting lesbianism as a political choice, due to the belief that women should as much as possible live separately from men.

It seems clear that there's a fundamental incompatibility of ideology between Rad Fems and trans-gender people, but it's odd to hear someone who apparently opposes the latter because they are a religious conservative effectively claim to be a 'radical feminist'.
 
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Odd that they declare themselves to be a "TERF". The "RF", after all, stands for "radical feminist".

As I understand it, it refers to people like Julie Bindel (a particular enemy of trans-gender people), who tend to be "political lesbians" - promoting lesbianism as a political choice, due to the belief that women should as much as possible live separately from men.

It seems clear that there's a fundamental incompatibility of ideology between Rad Fems and trans-gender people, but it's odd to hear someone who apparently opposes the latter because they are a religious conservative effectively claim to be a 'radical feminist'.

The Fascistic themes are where they agree.
 

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Odd that they declare themselves to be a "TERF". The "RF", after all, stands for "radical feminist".

As I understand it, it refers to people like Julie Bindel (a particular enemy of trans-gender people), who tend to be "political lesbians" - promoting lesbianism as a political choice, due to the belief that women should as much as possible live separately from men.

It seems clear that there's a fundamental incompatibility of ideology between Rad Fems and trans-gender people, but it's odd to hear someone who apparently opposes the latter because they are a religious conservative effectively claim to be a 'radical feminist'.
Like just about everything else they take a 'moral stance' against, they just don't know what they are talking about and make up definitions to words they don't understand.
 

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Odd that they declare themselves to be a "TERF". The "RF", after all, stands for "radical feminist".

As I understand it, it refers to people like Julie Bindel (a particular enemy of trans-gender people), who tend to be "political lesbians" - promoting lesbianism as a political choice, due to the belief that women should as much as possible live separately from men.

It seems clear that there's a fundamental incompatibility of ideology between Rad Fems and trans-gender people, but it's odd to hear someone who apparently opposes the latter because they are a religious conservative effectively claim to be a 'radical feminist'.
Yeah, all sorts of odd when I read it. Hence the share. His sources are clearly questionable and I have the feeling it's "I don't think that term means what you think it means."
 
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A MUST read... sickening hate.

The conservaterrorist's Facebook page. Filled with hate and anti-science bullshit. (No idea why the link is in German)


WP didn't have a gift link on this article, so I copypasta

A gay couple ran a rural restaurant in peace. Then new neighbors arrived.​

As soon as she spotted the lifeless vermin, Tiffany Foster had a hunch about how it appeared near the trash bins behind the Front Porch Market and Grill in The Plains, Va. The general manager went inside, pulled out her phone and reviewed security-camera footage. Her suspicion was confirmed: The dead rat had been tossed onto the property.
The suspect? Mike Washer. The businessman and his wife, Melissa, first complained to the Front Porch proprietors about pre-dawn vendor deliveries in 2019, not long after the conservative Christian couple moved their financial firm right next door to the restaurant, which flies a gay Pride flag. The renovated building doubles as the Washers’ residence, where they have a front-row view of the Front Porch’s operation.

By the time the rat appeared last summer, the relationship between the two businesses had devolved. A year earlier, the Washers had started filing complaints about their neighbor’s trash with the health department. Fed up with what they viewed as harassment, the Front Porch owners filed a no-trespassing order against their neighbors. The Washers responded by installing signs to prevent diners from parking in spaces the Washers own in the shared lot. They confronted or towed drivers who ignored the signs. Their attorney threatened legal action against the restaurant’s suppliers if their trucks continued to “trespass” in the lot. The same attorney wrote a town official, challenging the restaurant’s right to operate under its existing permit.

Still, when she spotted the rat last August, Foster was not prepared for what she saw on the video: Mike Washer flipping the rodent onto the Front Porch’s property and taking photos of it, in what she assumed was a staged effort to flag health officials about an infestation. Foster remembers thinking, “I cannot believe that someone would stoop so low to try to put someone out of business.”

The Washers don’t deny Mike’s actions but dispute the motivation: They say they have no interest in closing the Front Porch. They claim the rat was first dumped near their back door by restaurant employees, and Mike was returning the favor.
What’s more, the Washers say, the dead rat was just one more insult that the couple, who once planted an “all lives matter” sign in their front yard, have endured since moving next door to a restaurant owned by a gay couple. They are not the harassers, the Washers argue. They are the harassed. They say they are being treated unfairly because they are conservative. They say they have been insulted by staff, including Foster, have lived with a bright security light shining into their home, and have found used chewing tobacco next to their car doors.

“We still feel like somebody put it there to, excuse me, eff with us,” Melissa Washer said about the rat. “Because they had done so many other little s---ty things to us.”

This conflict has dragged on for years, creating friction where friendships used to be and often forcing residents to pick sides. The conflict has dragged on so long that some people in The Plains, population 250 or so, have been left to develop theories about what’s driving it, some perhaps more rooted in reality than others: Some fear the Washers’ actions could break the town financially with hearings, lawsuits and paperwork. They even fear the couple’s legal challenge could end up compromising The Plains’ ability to maintain its old-world charm.
“Part of what makes our community special are long-standing social networks and special traditions built on trust,” the Rev. E. Weston Mathews, rector of Grace Episcopal Church in The Plains, said in a statement to The Washington Post.

“But like so many places in our country, our community is not immune to dangerous conspiracy theories, extremism and tribalism,” Mathews continued. “In my view, what began as a difficult dispute between two neighboring businesses has become something much greater, is accelerating through social media and is damaging our sense of trust in each other as neighbors in a close-knit village.”

The Washers — the newcomers in a village where families that have lived there 20 years still feel like outsiders — say they’re misunderstood. They love this tiny town. They’re not out to destroy it, or remake it.
The business neighbors occupy opposite ends of the ideological spectrum.

Mike, 54, and Melissa Washer, 53, are conservatives who have an “Only JESUS can save America” sign on their back railing. On her Facebook page, Melissa posted a photo of herself, her husband and their son, Regan, outside the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, when rioters stormed the building to prevent a peaceful transfer of power, leading to multiple deaths.

“It WAS an AMAZING day in DC!!” Melissa wrote in the post, which she has since taken down. “Truly an unforgettable experience everyone was peacecful [sic], kind and friendly with one another, no matter their race, nationality, socio-economic level, background or religion.” She later told The Post the family did not enter the Capitol. “We didn’t actually even know anything that was going on until we got home that night,” she said.
During the pandemic, Melissa posted anti-mask and, later, anti-vaccine statements on Facebook. For weeks, the Washers had posted two placards in the front yard of ICS Financial: One was a campaign sign for son Regan, a managing partner in ICS Financial, who’s also a Republican nominee for the Fauquier County Board of Supervisors. The other was a sign designed like an American flag, and it listed the things “we believe,” including the Second Amendment, “unborn lives matter” and “all lives matter.” Both signs have since been removed.


William Waybourn and Craig Spaulding, both 76, owners of the Front Porch, have been a couple since 1973, when they worked at the Dallas Times Herald, a newspaper that closed in 1991. They married in 2020, five years after they opened the Front Porch, which quickly became a destination in The Plains.

The Front Porch has been flying a Pride flag on its patio since 2016, not long after a gunman killed 49 people in a gay bar in Orlando. The flag is a symbol of Waybourn’s solidarity with the LGBTQ+ community, which he has nurtured — and fought for — since the 1980s.

Waybourn was president of the Dallas Gay Alliance when it sued Parkland Memorial Hospital for failing to provide readily available medicines to AIDS patients. In 1991, he launched the Gay and Lesbian Victory Fund (now the LGBTQ+ Victory Fund) to elect openly gay politicians to office. He served as managing director of the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, or GLAAD, which he helped turn into a national group. He owned gay newspapers in Houston, Atlanta, New York and Washington. Last year, the Dallas Voice called him a “living legend.”

Over the course of his life as an activist, Waybourn says, he has been shoved, spat on, insulted and had objects hurled at him. “I had so many threats against me that even the Dallas police stationed squad cars outside our home,” Waybourn said.

As an activist, Waybourn says, his goals were clear: same-sex marriage, gays and lesbians in the military, access to lifesaving medicines. His conflict with the Washers is murkier.

“This is hard for me,” he said, “because I don’t know what I’m fighting for.”

The Washers and Waybourn disagree on just when their neighborly tensions turned into a serious conflict.

The Washers say it happened in early September 2021, when sheriff’s deputies served them. A couple of days earlier, Mike had offered the Front Porch two parking spaces to use for a dumpster, Melissa said. The Washers thought the idea might resolve the dispute: It would move the restaurant’s trash from under the couple’s window — and out of smelling distance.

Instead, an officer appeared at their front door on Sept. 5 with no-trespassing orders, requested by Waybourn. “We were completely blindsided by that,” Melissa said. “Completely.”

“It just felt like …” Melissa added, then paused. “I don’t know. I felt criminal.”

The orders immediately deprived the Washers of a regular haunt in a town with only a few dining options. In various situations, the Washers or their attorney, Whitson Robinson, have claimed the couple spent $30,000 to $40,000 at the Front Porch before they were banned.

Later that day, after they were handed the no-trespassing orders, Mike allegedly stopped a server on her way into work at the Front Porch and announced, “Let the games begin,” according to a text message from the general manager on Sept. 5, which Waybourn forwarded to The Post. The server did not want to talk for this story.

Four days later, the Washers responded with no-trespassing notices of their own. Their attorney also informed the Front Porch owners that no one — not Waybourn or Spaulding, not their employees, not their diners — could use the parking spaces that the couple own but once shared as a courtesy with the neighboring businesses.

By mid-September, the Washers had installed signs in the lot that said, “Reserved for ICS Financial Visitors Only.” Later, the couple added smaller signs underneath to reinforce their point: “No Front Porch Parking.”

In November, Robinson started sending letters to Front Porch vendors, including its produce supplier, trash collector and uniform company. The letters said the vendors were prohibited from unloading in parking spaces not owned by the Front Porch. At the time, the restaurant owned only two, the ones closest to the back entrance. These spots were often hard for delivery drivers to access, because Mike parked his large GMC Sierra Denali truck next to them, Waybourn says.
What’s more, multiple people say, the Washers regularly patrolled the lot for violators.

“They were trying to stop every vendor,” said one delivery driver who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he didn’t want to hurt his business. “It was every vendor, even their food suppliers.”

Melissa said she and her husband closed off their parking spaces as a direct response to the no-trespassing orders.

“If we can’t come into your restaurant anymore, why would we share our parking spaces — which is our property that we pay taxes on — with you and your patrons?” Melissa said.
The Washers’ offer to provide space for a dumpster was naive, Waybourn said. The Front Porch owners once had a dumpster across the street, and it had required a secured enclosure, architectural review board approval, permits and enough space for a truck to get in and out of the lot. Even so, the dumpster was subject to outsiders tossing garbage in and around it. Waybourn was routinely fined for other people’s messes.

Waybourn says he prohibited the Washers from setting foot on his property because he had had enough of them. By Waybourn’s way of thinking, the Washers had decided to live in a village commercial district that includes heavy traffic, noise and “congestion of people and passenger vehicles,” according to The Plains’ codes. But not long after moving in, the Washers started complaining about delivery trucks rumbling into the lot in the pre-dawn darkness, disturbing their sleep.

Once the pandemic hit, the relationship became more fraught. When the Front Porch partially reopened for indoor dining in June 2020, it followed state-mandated protocols requiring diners to wear masks when not eating and drinking. Front Porch staffers and others in The Plains say the Washers never wore masks at the restaurant.

The issue led to conflicts. Like the day when Lisa Vella, owner of Baileywyck Antiques, was waiting for a takeout order at the Front Porch. She said she saw Mike enter without a mask and offered him one of hers. (Melissa recalls the story differently: She said Vella called Waybourn to tattle on Mike for not wearing a mask. She said her husband had pulled his shirt over his nose and mouth until he got a mask from the front desk.)

The next day, as she was walking to the coffee shop, Vella said, Mike confronted her. “He came flying after me, pointing, spitting and yelling at me. Seriously, a half-inch from my face,” Vella said. He was screaming, she said, that no one can tell him what to do. Vella said no one witnessed the encounter, but she immediately told a friend, Danielle Green, who confirmed her account to The Post.

In an email to The Post, Mike said, “I have never spoken to her about that incident.”

Melissa said the incident was the only time masking was an issue at the Front Porch for the couple, who would get face coverings from the host if need be. “I didn’t like masks,” she said. “Hell, no. But I wore them, all the time. Just because you don’t like something doesn’t mean you don’t do it.”

The incident was apparently the same one that prompted an email from Waybourn to Mike on Jan. 22, 2021. Waybourn forwarded the email to The Post. “This is not the first time that I (and others) have asked you to respect this requirement, as entering without a mask puts both our health permit and liquor license at significant risk,” Waybourn wrote.

The following day, Waybourn recalls, Mike entered the Front Porch again without a mask. Waybourn said he banned him. But the Washers say they continued to frequent the restaurant, and they forwarded to The Post a report that they say itemizes more than 40 expenditures there from Jan. 22 to Sept. 2, 2021, three days before they were served no-trespassing notices.


Even as the couple frequented the Front Porch, they had started complaining to the health department. In late June 2021, the Washers alleged that 25 trash bins were emitting a foul odor. “You come in and you buy the property, much like the Washers did, fix it up, make it look nice, and then all of the sudden, you get trash cans with rotting flesh there left throughout the week during the middle of the summer months,” their attorney, Robinson, said at one public hearing.

When an inspector visited, they found nine bins, “all freshly washed,” according to the complaint. The department considered the issue resolved.

The Washers continued to complain. By the summer of 2022, “it was getting out of hand with the emails,” said Whitney Wright, senior environmental health manager at the Rappahannock-Rapidan Health District. So Wright visited the Washers last June and told Mike there were no laws against foul smells.

Virginia regulations, Wright explained, require trash bins to be kept on solid ground. “Are they properly kept? Do they have tightfitting, closed lids? Those types of things, which, when we inspected, were the case every time,” Wright told The Post.

“I jokingly told Mike, I said, ‘Well, be glad that you’re not beside a seafood restaurant,’” Wright said.
Much like the health department, the town’s then-zoning administrator, Steve Gyurisin, found no problems when reviewing the Front Porch’s special-use permit. In a January 2022 letter to Gyurisin, the Washers had questioned whether the restaurant had enough parking to legally operate. In response, Gyurisin ruled that April that the Front Porch met all the permit’s conditions, including parking.

When the Washers appealed in May, they also filed several Freedom of Information Act requests, asking the town for documents and nonprivileged communications related to the Front Porch and Gyurisin’s opinion. One of their requests asked for information dating back 10 years, before the restaurant opened.

In a town with a tiny operating budget, an all-volunteer council and mayor, and only a few people to conduct day-to-day business, the FOIA requests monopolized much of the village’s time and resources, several business owners said. “The town is not fully able to function because the energy is dealing with this problem,” said Lynn Wiley, a real estate agent and business owner.

Locals say the combination of FOIA requests, the Washers’ constant pressure and the fear of litigation contributed to the sudden departure of both Gyurisin and Joseph Pricone, the town attorney; neither would speak for this story. In fact, no one connected to the town — the mayor, the clerk and treasurer, the new zoning administrator, the new attorney or the council members contacted — would talk about the conflict. They either declined outright or never returned phone calls.

If there’s one thing the Washers and the Front Porch owners agree on, it’s that the town has been AWOL during the conflict. Daniel Bounds, an attorney representing the Front Porch, says the town could have quashed the Washers’ permit appeal from the start. The attorney argues that despite their claims to the contrary, the couple have no standing because they have not been harmed in any direct way by the restaurant’s operations. (Waybourn, incidentally, estimates he has spent about $53,000 in legal fees to fight for the Front Porch’s right to operate as is.)

For their part, the Washers say town leaders have regularly ignored their complaints and play favorites. As evidence, they point out that the Front Porch, with seating for 60 people inside, is not required to have off-street parking. Yet in a building behind ICS Financial, one of the Washers’ tenants runs a small pizza and sandwich shop, 2Kyles, that seats only 20 people but is required to have 15 parking spots, the Washers say. The couple suggest race might be a factor in the town’s demands because one of the 2Kyles owners is Black. Town attorney James Downey did not respond to an email requesting comment on that allegation.

“I think the town is very culpable in quite a bit of this,” Melissa said, “and they have not applied rules equally across the board.” (The Washers forwarded the town’s parking estimate to The Post; the 15 spaces were based on the square footage for the entire building, including an apartment and office spaces, not just the shop.)

For decades, the town has prided itself on its rural way of life, with a comprehensive plan to keep it that way. Leaders have been largely able to maintain the town’s character via regulations and a communal desire not to become the next Middleburg, a once-quiet town now seen as a tourist destination, said a Plains businessman who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he didn’t want to get in the middle of the fight.

This kind of limited growth and limited government has worked as long as most everyone agreed to the same set of values, the businessman said. But times have changed, he said, and The Plains — 30 miles from Dulles International Airport in the middle of horse country — is seen as ripe for development. “It’s not 1976, and things change,” he added. “There’s much more at stake.”
At a Board of Zoning Appeals meeting in April of this year, when the panel heard arguments on the Washers’ appeal, current zoning administrator Bruce Reese explained to the gathered crowd why The Plains would want to grant a special-use permit to the Front Porch that required no off-street parking. “Unless you’re building a new building. . . we’re not going to require you to have any parking at all,” Reese said.

“So why would they do that? Because it’s The Plains,” Reese added, to scattered applause and laughter. “The anticipation was that the charm of the town is such that we don’t want to force parking everywhere. We don’t want to have to have a building removed in order to make room for parking.”

Since buying the former dentist’s office at 6479 Main St. in 2019 and converting it into their business and home, the Washers purchased another nearby property (where 2Kyles is located) the following year under the company name ICS Financial Properties 2. According to people in town, including Waybourn and other business leaders, the Washers have looked into purchasing other properties, including the Front Porch.

This is where, as the pastor of Grace Episcopal Church noted, conspiracy theories have started to take root. Some in The Plains see the Washers’ real estate purchases, combined with the family’s political ambitions, as the potential dawn of a new, more development-happy era in The Plains. They’ll note that Melissa ran for town council in 2020, a year after the family moved to The Plains. (She finished fourth and didn’t earn a seat.) The couple’s son, Regan, recently won his Republican primary for a seat on the county supervisors board.

Locals fear that a successful challenge to the Front Porch’s operating permit — which was in place for years without complaint — would take away “the bricks that hold up the foundation of the town,” said Wiley, the real estate agent.

Or as Mark Ohrstrom, who leads a family investment firm in The Plains, pointed out, “Any time you disrupt zoning and the comprehensive plan, it’s an issue, right? It’s a real problem because basically it means that you have to have a new one, almost immediately.”
The Washers say many in town have ascribed motivations to their actions that simply aren’t there. They’re not trying to disrupt The Plains, Melissa said. They have no desire to change the character of the town, either. They like it the way it is. Their challenge of the Front Porch’s permit was their way of “questioning our town,” Melissa said, because they “felt like the town was delivering the rules unfairly.”

In a conference room at ICS Financial, Mike elaborated on his frustrations. “We, a conservative family, the Washers, are subjected to a set of rules that’s the by-the-book rules,” he said. “But if you’re not conservative, you are subjected to the town council letting you have special-use permits that accommodate whatever they want. That’s why we’re doing what we’re doing. It’s not right.”

But after years of dealing with his neighbors’ actions, Waybourn doesn’t see a couple fighting for equal application of town laws. He sees parallels between the Washers’ targeting of his restaurant and Republican legislatures and governors targeting transgender rights across the country. To the activist, it feels like a step backward after a lifetime of fighting for gay rights.
An incident that Foster, the Front Porch general manager, shared with Waybourn still sticks with the owner. As Foster relates the story, Mike Washer once told a pair of Front Porch employees that trucks were on the way to tow customer cars parked in ICS spaces. The employees ignored him. “I don’t know if that irritated him or what, but he was like [to one employee], ‘I like you, but the faggots you work for, I can’t stand,’” Foster told The Post.

Neither of the workers wanted to be identified out of fear of retribution, but one confirmed the comment from Washer via text.

“I haven’t been called a lovely human in years,” Waybourn said, fighting back tears. He had to stop the interview to gather himself.

Mike denies he ever said this. “I have quite a few gay friends, clients and a family member, and I have patronized a gay-owned restaurant for years,” he emailed.

Asked whether the Washers are trying to remake The Plains into their image of America — White, conservative, Christian — Melissa said, “I can see where you’re coming from.”

But, she added, “this, to me, is not political. There is no politics in this. There is no race. There is no sexual orientation. … We like that this town is a mixture of all different kinds of people. We do.”
A month after its first hearing on the case, the Board of Zoning Appeals denied the Washers’ appeal on May 4 during a standing-room-only meeting at Grace Episcopal Church. In a 3-2 decision, the board said the couple had “not carried its burden of proof” to overturn previous opinions on the Front Porch’s special-use permit, including the new zoning administrator’s assessment during an April 6 hearing. Waybourn was relieved, but he noted that had one vote gone the other way, his restaurant could have been shut down, if temporarily.

Many in The Plains had hoped the board’s decision would settle the dispute and allow the town to return to normal.

But on June 2, a Friday, the Washers appealed the decision in Fauquier County Circuit Court. The lawsuit is directed at The Plains itself but identifies the Front Porch as a third party.

Regardless of the appeal, Mike said, he and his wife are “done” with the Front Porch owners: “I don’t give two s---s about them.”

Added Melissa: “We just coexist. That’s their lane, and this is our lane.”

The following Monday, Waybourn’s attorney, Bounds, was prepared to tell his client the news about the lawsuit, even though he knew Waybourn had back surgery scheduled that day. But when Bounds called, the Front Porch owner was struggling to talk.

Waybourn was suffering a mini-stroke during the call. The stroke, Waybourn said a day later, was the result of going off blood thinners for surgery, although stress may have contributed to it. The Front Porch owner said he was already feeling better, at least about his health, but not so much about the future of his restaurant, which may not be in his hands for long. In February, he and his husband put the Front Porch up for sale.

This reminds me of my wife's business. We are not openly promoting any political tendencies, especially regarding her business. But, the hair salon next door got new owners a year and a half ago. They are very conservative, Trump 2024 flag in their yard and the whole bit. For some reason he confronted my wife, claiming the pigeons living on her building were driving new customers of theirs away, and also that they wrecked their outside A/C unit by pooping on it, ruining the fan.


Then dead pigeons started appearing on her doorstep every morning. I put up Ring cameras front and back of her business. I also videoed the wild pigeons roosting everywhere, including on their building. The guy ran for and got on the city council, and him and the mayor (it's a small town of 1,500) started bothering my wife at work about it, asking her when she was fixing her pigeon problem. A lawyer was consulted, and since they are wild animals, and we were not openly providing a place for them, that wild animals will do what they will do, so legally she was good.

They continued to bother my wife, eventually summoning her for dead animals over 24 hours on her property. I inspected our building along with the county building inspector, and there was one spot the pigeons were getting in, but we fixed that and also some other small repairs. We complained to the city council, and the guy being on the city council decided to try and screw us over another way. However he did not know that the building inspector was a client of my wife's, a good friend, and hated his guts.

So the inspector came over to inspect our building. I happened to be there, and showed them the video of pigeons coming out of the neighbor's building. The Trump guy, his wife, the mayor, my wife and myself were on hand. The inspector declared our building up to code, regardless of the fact that we were not harboring wild pigeons, and were under no obligation to fix anything legally. However he went over to the neighbor's building and had a look at it also. He simply said that he needed to come back and look over their building more carefully, as he quickly spotted several violations. The mayor and the Trump guy were pissed, they thought they had us. The building inspector came to my wife's business a few weeks later, and speaking with her said that the guy got an estimate to fix his building and initially it was $90,500.

I also have videos of the Trump guy shooting pigeons with a pellet gun, and putting them in my wife's business doorway. The video of him several weeks realizing he was being recorded is priceless, he tries to swat the camera off her building, throws his hat at it, then realizes he probably already being recorded and on tape doing and saying that stuff.

I finally met the guy after several months of this going on, he confronted me behind the business as they share a come space between them. He tried the tough guy act at first, but I am 6' and 185 and I work out a lot, whereas he is short, fat, and balding and I said basically if he ever fucks with my wife again he would regret it. The funny part of all of it is that he came into my wife's business, sternly confronted her in front of people, and thought he could push her around. If he simply would have contacted us and asked if we could talk about the pigeons no doubt we would have worked together on it. Now he's on the hook for a bunch of money to fix his building. I also told him during the encounter if he ever fucked with us again I had more for him, as his building is also not handicapped accessible, and that is very expensive also, but I said I'd keep that in my pocket for now.
 

Pohemi

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This reminds me of my wife's business...
Shitty people trying to flex control over others around them, and even "punish" others as if they feel the need to be the big macho honcho.

Even if it wasn't made obvious by their publicly advertising it...you'd kinda just know that these fuckers are Trump-humpers. Birds of a feather and all that.

I'm glad to hear it bit him in the ass and cost him for what he was trying to pin on your wife.
 
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"Jesus said unto him, thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
The third one is a little different, thou shalt not bake any cakes for the queers, or build them websites or anything like that, because like, ew. Gross."
 

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"Jesus said unto him, thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
The third one is a little different, thou shalt not bake any cakes for the queers, or build them websites or anything like that, because like, ew. Gross."

-Aint no hate like Christian love
 

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Odd that they declare themselves to be a "TERF". The "RF", after all, stands for "radical feminist".

As I understand it, it refers to people like Julie Bindel (a particular enemy of trans-gender people), who tend to be "political lesbians" - promoting lesbianism as a political choice, due to the belief that women should as much as possible live separately from men.

It seems clear that there's a fundamental incompatibility of ideology between Rad Fems and trans-gender people, but it's odd to hear someone who apparently opposes the latter because they are a religious conservative effectively claim to be a 'radical feminist'.
A few months before Elon took over Twitter and drove it straight into the Nazi ground I had my first interaction with actual TERFs. And when I tell you I've rarely seen hate to that level in my life know I'm not joking. These few women directly denied the right for transgender people to exist dancing around calling for extermination without directly using those words. I used to think of TERFs as misguided or people with misdirected anger, that interaction showed me they're as evil as any type of bigot.
 

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A few months before Elon took over Twitter and drove it straight into the Nazi ground I had my first interaction with actual TERFs. And when I tell you I've rarely seen hate to that level in my life know I'm not joking. These few women directly denied the right for transgender people to exist dancing around calling for extermination without directly using those words. I used to think of TERFs as misguided or people with misdirected anger, that interaction showed me they're as evil as any type of bigot.
They have their whole own Reddit clone website :confused:
It's an ugly place.
I've engaged with them in other places when they seemed to start out a discussion in good faith. One of them started out with "Isn't it sexist for trans women to use 'she/her' pronouns?".
 

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A few months before Elon took over Twitter and drove it straight into the Nazi ground I had my first interaction with actual TERFs. And when I tell you I've rarely seen hate to that level in my life know I'm not joking. These few women directly denied the right for transgender people to exist dancing around calling for extermination without directly using those words. I used to think of TERFs as misguided or people with misdirected anger, that interaction showed me they're as evil as any type of bigot.

- I admit, this is a question I have started asking more and more conservatives point blank about all this "Woke" stuff: What's your end-game here? Like, what is the goal of having less diversity in films, complete queer erasure, etc?

I further admit that sometimes I seek to entrap them with comments like "Man it would be easier if these people never existed, right?" and see if I can get them comfortable enough let their true thoughts ooze out. Discomfiting to say the least.
 

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- I admit, this is a question I have started asking more and more conservatives point blank about all this "Woke" stuff: What's your end-game here? Like, what is the goal of having less diversity in films, complete queer erasure, etc?

I further admit that sometimes I seek to entrap them with comments like "Man it would be easier if these people never existed, right?" and see if I can get them comfortable enough let their true thoughts ooze out. Discomfiting to say the least.
It's easier to convince yourself you're a fully satisfied heterosexual without those stupid sexy homosexuals enflaming your loins with thoughts of forbidden sex :p
 
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Didn't seem like there was much, if any, cause or reason for that. Also seems to be (another) problematic precinct. Prior to this, the officer punching a woman holding her baby? WTF.
Not much cause?!? You either lick the boot or taste the boot, this man utterly besmirched the honor of the LA county sheriff's department, if you let people just go around besmirching their Rightful Overlords, next thing you know it's mass chaos!

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I'll put this here. Snickering because Nancy Mace upset their sensibilities. I heard Mike Pence clutched his chest and keeled over.


""Nancy Mace just said she turned down sex from her NOT husband but her fiancé this morning in bed because she had to get to the PRAYER BREAKFAST," Graham Allen, host of the right-wing Dear America podcast, said on Twitter. "I'll take 'what is a sin for $500 Alex.'""

Disgusting hypocrites.
Only time before the RWNJs call her a RINO.
 
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A few months before Elon took over Twitter and drove it straight into the Nazi ground I had my first interaction with actual TERFs. And when I tell you I've rarely seen hate to that level in my life know I'm not joking. These few women directly denied the right for transgender people to exist dancing around calling for extermination without directly using those words. I used to think of TERFs as misguided or people with misdirected anger, that interaction showed me they're as evil as any type of bigot.

damn straight. more and more people understanding we are facing evil here.
 

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""Nancy Mace just said she turned down sex from her NOT husband but her fiancé this morning in bed because she had to get to the PRAYER BREAKFAST," Graham Allen, host of the right-wing Dear America podcast, said on Twitter. "I'll take 'what is a sin for $500 Alex.'""

Disgusting hypocrites.
Only time before the RWNJs call her a RINO.
Yea, shacking up is cool with evangels now?
 
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