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Uhtrinity

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Yet another disgusting human being.
Me or him? I'm anti trump as they come and only posted for context. Also trying to not go down conspiracy rabbit holes too soon. Almost went there after watching the Van Jones Ted talk this weekend. I sincerely hope our leaders (not Trump) are smart enough not to go down these dark paths. It would result in protests on a level that have never been seen in the US.
 
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fskimospy

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Not just that.. most people just don't get it.

They are not going to just give over their power.. they want to get more of it at any means possible. If you don't think so.. look at them blocking Obama judges, then rushing along Trump ones to get courts to decide favorable outcomes to them.

Trump is not going anywhere. He is POTUS for life.. you all are living in a dream world if you think this election made any difference.

And this is the playbook

  1. Biden wins the popular vote, and carries the key swing states of Arizona, Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania by decent but not overwhelming margins.
  2. Trump immediately declares that the voting was rigged, that there was mail-in ballot fraud and that the Chinese were behind a plan to provide fraudulent mail-in ballots and other "election hacking" throughout the four key swing states that gave Biden his victory.
  3. Having railed against the Chinese throughout the campaign, calling Biden "soft on China," Trump delivers his narrative claiming the Chinese have interfered in the U.S. election.
  4. Trump indicates this is a major national security issue, and he invokes emergency powers, directing the Justice Department to investigate the alleged activity in the swing states. The legal justification for the presidential powers he invokes has already been developed and issued by Barr.
  5. The investigation is intended to tick down the clock toward December 14, the deadline when each state's Electoral College electors must be appointed. This is the very issue that the Supreme Court harped on in Bush v. Gore in ruling that the election process had to be brought to a close, thus forbidding the further counting of Florida ballots.
  6. All four swing states have Republican control of both their upper and lower houses of their state legislatures. Those state legislatures refuse to allow any Electoral College slate to be certified until the "national security" investigation is complete.
  7. The Democrats will have begun a legal action to certify the results in those four states, and the appointment of the Biden slate of electors, arguing that Trump has manufactured a national security emergency in order to create the ensuing chaos.
  8. The issue goes up to the Supreme Court, which unlike the 2000 election does not decide the election in favor of the Republicans. However, it indicates again that the December 14 Electoral College deadline must be met; that the president's national security powers legally authorize him to investigate potential foreign country intrusion into the national election; and if no Electoral College slate can be certified by any state by December 14, the Electoral College must meet anyway and cast its votes.
  9. The Electoral College meets, and without the electors from those four states being represented, neither Biden nor Trump has sufficient votes to get an Electoral College majority.
  10. The election is thrown into the House of Representatives, pursuant to the Constitution. Under the relevant constitutional process, the vote in the House is by state delegation, where each delegation casts one vote, which is determined by the majority of the representatives in that state.
  11. Currently, there are 26 states that have a majority Republican House delegation. 23 states have a majority Democratic delegation. There is one state, Pennsylvania, that has an evenly split delegation. Even if the Democrats were to pick up seats in Pennsylvania and hold all their 2018 House gains, the Republicans would have a 26 to 24 delegation majority.
  12. This vote would enable Trump to retain the presidency.

One pretty large problem with this scenario: at least in the case of Pennsylvania the Secretary of State certifies election results, not the legislature. It's too late, the legislature can't refuse to certify the results.
 
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NWRMidnight

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There could be another angle to all this, and not what everyone here is thinking Trump's motives, or end game are about. All of this appears he is trying to win thru the SCOTUS or by Congress. However, it all could be just a distraction for the only purpose of giving Trump and his corrupt administration time to destroy records of 4 years of corruption, and very well possible Treason, before Biden's transition team is everywhere, not allowing them to destroy anything without being caught.

Yes, he could pardon everyone, but if the corruption became public, and the records not destroyed, It's the republican party that will be completely destroyed. Meaning this all could be to cover up how deep the whole republican party is involved. The very reason so many republican Congress members are Silent or supporting Trump's actions.
 
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There could be another angle to all this, and not what everyone here is thinking Trump's motives, or end game are about. All of this appears he is trying to win thru the SCOTUS or by Congress. However, it all could be just a distraction for the only purpose of giving Trump and his corrupt administration time to destroy records of 4 years of corruption, and very well possible Treason, before Biden's transition team is everywhere, not allowing them to destroy anything without being caught.

Yes, he could pardon everyone, but if the corruption became public, and the records not destroyed, It's the republican party that will be completely destroyed. Meaning this all could be to cover up how deep the whole republican party is involved. The very reason so many republican Congress members are Silent or supporting Trump's actions.

Speaking of this.....


Responsible Republicans you are free to register Independent and dabs your toes into D Candidates. I will give you zero shit.
 

sportage

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Biden just gave a powerful little speech on Obamacare and the Supreme Court. But the real take was that Joe Biden actually looked like the president. Joe Biden looked like he was the sitting president. And Joe definitely has a way of putting opponents in their place. Like... chuckling when a reporter mentioned the name and comments from mike pompano. A simple chuckle from Joe completely deflated mike pompano. Then when a reporter asked about republicans refusal to accept the reality, Joe replied THEY WILL, THEY WILL. Wow, we really do have a new president.
 
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Logic: Trump did not win, thus it must be rigged
Logic: Black voters commit fraud when they vote, everyone knows this.

Yeah, the second point seems to be pretty central to Trump's thinking. At some level he considers any votes by anyone who isn't white to be 'fraudulent' by definition.
 

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You're going to need Gordon Freeman to get Trump out of the Whitehouse. Firstly I don't think anyone should risk venturing in there without a Hazardous Environrment Suit, given that the super-spreader-in-chief is in residence



...and secondly you're going to need one of these to prise Trump out of there.

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Commodus

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There could be another angle to all this, and not what everyone here is thinking Trump's motives, or end game are about. All of this appears he is trying to win thru the SCOTUS or by Congress. However, it all could be just a distraction for the only purpose of giving Trump and his corrupt administration time to destroy records of 4 years of corruption, and very well possible Treason, before Biden's transition team is everywhere, not allowing them to destroy anything without being caught.

Yes, he could pardon everyone, but if the corruption became public, and the records not destroyed, It's the republican party that will be completely destroyed. Meaning this all could be to cover up how deep the whole republican party is involved. The very reason so many republican Congress members are Silent or supporting Trump's actions.

I'm not sure if it's about buying time — that seems a little too sophisticated for an administration guided by impulse and emotion.

It's not so much about hijacking the election (although I'm sure Trump would like to do that) as trying to discredit the Biden administration. Plant the idea that Biden only won by cheating and you'll have legions of diehard Republicans convinced they have to vote the Dems out in 2024, reality be damned.
 
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Sounds like he's not going to stage a 'coup', he's just going to carry on turning up for work, as if the election hadn't happened (or he won) and hope everyone is too polite or awkward to say anything about it.

At some point someone's going to have to overcome the social-awkwardness sufficiently to have that "you don't work here any more" conversation with him.
 

feralkid

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Sounds like he's not going to stage a 'coup', he's just going to carry on turning up for work, as if the election hadn't happened (or he won) and hope everyone is too polite or awkward to say anything about it.

At some point someone's going to have to overcome the social-awkwardness sufficiently to have that "you don't work here any more" conversation with him.


I would cite precedence.

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Jhhnn

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Rather shortly it will be mathematically impossible for Trump to win PA. Biden's expanding ~50K margin will be larger than the number of uncounted votes. It's already over in Georgia & Nevada is just a matter of time. Trump might yet pull it off in AZ, but it won't matter.
 

uallas5

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Sounds like he's not going to stage a 'coup', he's just going to carry on turning up for work, as if the election hadn't happened (or he won) and hope everyone is too polite or awkward to say anything about it.

At some point someone's going to have to overcome the social-awkwardness sufficiently to have that "you don't work here any more" conversation with him.
I would cite precedence.

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I would cite further precedence. Trump has been known to take advantage of awkward situations by going somewhere where he's not invited, like on the podium to a charity event he was never invited to. The other attendees sort of looked at each other not knowing what to do so they just let him stay, taking the seat of a major donor, rather than cause a scene. The director of the charity was going to ask Trump to leave, but was told not to....by RUDY GUILIANI!

 
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K1052

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Rather shortly it will be mathematically impossible for Trump to win PA. Biden's expanding ~50K margin will be larger than the number of uncounted votes. It's already over in Georgia & Nevada is just a matter of time. Trump might yet pull it off in AZ, but it won't matter.

The consensus seems to be that AZ is possible but unlikely due to what kind and where the ballots are from (a big chunk from Pima).
 
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It ain't over till it's over. Still lots of time left and lots of voting fraud to expose. My bet is the USSC will toss out several States/Commonwealths where the fraud was so prevalent and follow the 1876/77 precedent for Rutherford B. Hayes.

when the Presidents Justice Department decides to do nothing will you admit you’ve made an error?
 

NWRMidnight

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It ain't over till it's over. Still lots of time left and lots of voting fraud to expose. My bet is the USSC will toss out several States/Commonwealths where the fraud was so prevalent and follow the 1876/77 precedent for Rutherford B. Hayes.
Lay off the Crack Pipe. The facts are out there, if you care to do the math and learn the laws of each state, that the results are as expected having nothing to do with voter fraud, but in fact are accurate and what the people want. The only voter fraud if found, will be from the Republican's side. In fact, what Trump is doing now, trying to undermine the election is in it's self fraud.
 

fskimospy

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It ain't over till it's over. Still lots of time left and lots of voting fraud to expose. My bet is the USSC will toss out several States/Commonwealth
where the fraud was so prevalent and follow the 1876/77 precedent for Rutherford B. Hayes.
The sorest of the sore losers has reported in!

You lost fair and square and you know it. Adults don’t throw temper tantrums like this - have at least a little dignity.
 
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