The Next Frontier in Social Justice: Fattitude

[Nebor]

If you eat more calories than you expend your body will store it as fat, if you eat less calories than you expend your body will use the fat (and muscle tissue) for energy.

This is physics 101 and there isn't a human out there who has a body that defies the laws of physics.

Most fatties flat out deny this. Or they say "you're oversimplifying" without explaining how that makes it any less true.

 

[nehalem256]

Most fatties flat out deny this. Or they say "you're oversimplifying" without explaining how that makes it any less true.

Perhaps they think that their excessive body mass warps the laws of physics in their vicinity?:sneaky:

 

[MagickMan]

You're saying they don't understand the "gravity" of their situation? LOL!

 

[Paul98]

It makes me sad all these potentially very good looking women let themselves get fat. I see it all the time, women who used to be fat and now look amazing, and those who used to look amazing and now are fat. You can watch the transformations happen and can see the reason's for it. It's something you can correct on your own, it's not like wanting to be taller, shorter, or something you need plastic surgery to change.

Eating well and working out is the best way to make yourself look better, increase confidence, and make you feel better.

 

[Apple Of Sodom]

I used to be fat. I lost about 60 pounds by going on a low carb diet and adopting a hobby that burns calories (MMA) and eating better. And guess what happens if I slack? If I start eating shitty food again and take a break from class, I slowly gain weight back. But then, when I step on the scale, and I realize this I just eat healthier and go exercise and the pounds come off. Holy shit.

 

[highland145]

I used to be fat. I lost about 60 pounds by going on a low carb diet and adopting a hobby that burns calories (MMA) and eating better. And guess what happens if I slack? If I start eating shitty food again and take a break from class, I slowly gain weight back. But then, when I step on the scale, and I realize this I just eat healthier and go exercise and the pounds come off. Holy shit.

Lies, all lies. Vote for perma-ban.

 

[Nebor]

I used to be fat. I lost about 60 pounds by going on a low carb diet and adopting a hobby that burns calories (MMA) and eating better. And guess what happens if I slack? If I start eating shitty food again and take a break from class, I slowly gain weight back. But then, when I step on the scale, and I realize this I just eat healthier and go exercise and the pounds come off. Holy shit.

Obviously your genetics changed, shitlord.

 

[positivedoppler]

If you eat more calories than you expend your body will store it as fat, if you eat less calories than you expend your body will use the fat (and muscle tissue) for energy.

This is physics 101 and there isn't a human out there who has a body that defies the laws of physics.

Not completely true. Some bodies are better at absorbing nutrients than others. For example, some who are lactose intolerant will just flush everything straight down and might even lose weight.

Then there is the fact that not all calories are created equal. 100 calories of consume fat from a steak will transfer almost entirely into used calories or stored calories. 100 calories of spinich on the other hand will probabaly net you less than 20 as there is a huge overhead for your body to convert it plus all the fiber that yield no calories

 

[positivedoppler]

It makes me sad all these potentially very good looking women let themselves get fat. I see it all the time, women who used to be fat and now look amazing, and those who used to look amazing and now are fat. You can watch the transformations happen and can see the reason's for it. It's something you can correct on your own, it's not like wanting to be taller, shorter, or something you need plastic surgery to change.

Eating well and working out is the best way to make yourself look better, increase confidence, and make you feel better.

I believe that process of transformation for alot of girls is call marriage

 

[Nebor]

Not completely true. Some bodies are better at absorbing nutrients than others. For example, some who are lactose intolerant will just flush everything straight down and might even lose weight.

Then there is the fact that not all calories are created equal. 100 calories of consume fat from a steak will transfer almost entirely into used calories or stored calories. 100 calories of spinich on the other hand will probabaly net you less than 20 as there is a huge overhead for your body to convert it plus all the fiber that yield no calories

Really? I've never heard that before!

So if you're eating a lot of steak, and not so much spinach, and seem to be gaining weight, there's just nothing you can do huh? That really sucks. I never saw it that way before.

 

[mikeymikec]

Not completely true. Some bodies are better at absorbing nutrients than others. For example, some who are lactose intolerant will just flush everything straight down and might even lose weight.

Then there is the fact that not all calories are created equal. 100 calories of consume fat from a steak will transfer almost entirely into used calories or stored calories. 100 calories of spinich on the other hand will probabaly net you less than 20 as there is a huge overhead for your body to convert it plus all the fiber that yield no calories

Have you actually tested this theory? Because if it was true, I'm pretty sure that dieticians would have told me "eat steak. Lots of it." Furthermore, the reason that you might gain weight more on a steak day is (and I'm going to skip the point of the apparent ultra sensitivity of your weighing scale, or possibly the sheer volume of steak you just consumed, are your portions cow-sized?), because you already had your daily calorie quota before you got to the steak (as opposed to eating something with less calories than steak).

Also, have you heard about the "1kg of lead or 1kg of feathers" logic test? Because I think you just failed it.

Citation needing for 'calories converting to fibre'. One of the useful facets of fibre (soluble fibre certainly, not 100% sure about insoluble fibre in this respect), is that it expands a bit during digestion (due to it absorbing fluid, hence 'soluble'), making one feel a little bit more full without having to eat so much.

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A question for people in the US - in the UK, if I order a steak in a restaurant, the menu will typically list its weight as being 8-10oz. While some restaurants will list an option for a larger steak, 8-10oz is by far the most common size available. What's the typical size in the US, out of curiosity? Is there some variation depending on the class of restaurant?

 

[Ancalagon44]

There is a difference in the amount of fat stored based on the type of calories consumed. However, positivedoppler has it wrong - steak is actually pretty healthy because it has zero carbs.

Anything with carbs in it is going to cause an insulin spike. Insulin is the hormone which causes your body to store excess energy as fat. Eat a low carb diet, ie steak and spinach, and your insulin does not spike, meaning you dont get as hungry. Insulin also controls when you feel hungry, which means that if you eat carbs, you will feel hungry again sooner.

There is a reason why people tend to lose weight on low carb diets, such as the Atkins diet. Its not a myth.

 

[WelshBloke]

There is a difference in the amount of fat stored based on the type of calories consumed. However, positivedoppler has it wrong - steak is actually pretty healthy because it has zero carbs.

Anything with carbs in it is going to cause an insulin spike. Insulin is the hormone which causes your body to store excess energy as fat. Eat a low carb diet, ie steak and spinach, and your insulin does not spike, meaning you dont get as hungry. Insulin also controls when you feel hungry, which means that if you eat carbs, you will feel hungry again sooner.

There is a reason why people tend to lose weight on low carb diets, such as the Atkins diet. Its not a myth.

People say this all the time but the countries that eat carb heavy diets don't seem to have weight problems like the countries that eat protein high diets.

 

[WelshBloke]

Not completely true. Some bodies are better at absorbing nutrients than others. For example, some who are lactose intolerant will just flush everything straight down and might even lose weight.

Then there is the fact that not all calories are created equal. 100 calories of consume fat from a steak will transfer almost entirely into used calories or stored calories. 100 calories of spinich on the other hand will probabaly net you less than 20 as there is a huge overhead for your body to convert it plus all the fiber that yield no calories

100 calories of spinach is about 500g of spinach.
100 calories of fat is about 10g of fat.
500g of spinach is a big bag of raw spinach.

 

[Ancalagon44]

People say this all the time but the countries that eat carb heavy diets don't seem to have weight problems like the countries that eat protein high diets.

America has massive weight problems, and not coincidentally, carbohydrate uptake is extremely high.

Look at the following foods:
Soda/Pop/Coke (extremely high in carbs)
French Fries (pure carbs)
Hamburgers (the bun/bap whatever you call it is just bread, which is carbs)
Candy (duh)
Pizza (carbohydrate base)

Sure, in countries where noodles are eaten a lot, like Japan, people are still skinny. But how much do they eat? What size are the portions?

 

[mikeymikec]

Highly refined products like say coke and fruit juice also cause a more dramatic insulin spike and sugar rush because they require virtually zero digestion in comparison to say a boiled potato which has to take the long route around your digestive system, making you feel a bit more full in the process.

If you put fruit juice, soda, pop and coke all into the 'illegal narcotics' category of diet planning, you're on the right track. Fruit juice is good for you only in very limited quantities, but normal fruit is better because of the workout it gives your digestive system as well as a more steady nutritional intake.

 

[Ancalagon44]

Potatoes also cause insulin spikes, funnily enough.

 

[WelshBloke]

America has massive weight problems, and not coincidentally, carbohydrate uptake is extremely high.

You also eat a shit ton of meat.

 

[Ancalagon44]

You also eat a shit ton of meat.

South Africans like me do eat a lot of meat incidentally, but yes I get your point, Americans do too.

However, if you added up the total calorie contribution from carbs, fat and meat, I would get that for most overweight people, carbs will be sitting over 50%. Meat maybe 25% maximum.

 

[WelshBloke]

South Africans like me do eat a lot of meat incidentally, but yes I get your point, Americans do too.

However, if you added up the total calorie contribution from carbs, fat and meat, I would get that for most overweight people, carbs will be sitting over 50%. Meat maybe 25% maximum.

Sorry about the country mix up.

I think the problem is that people just lump all carbs together in the "carbs are bad" approach.
Obviously getting most of your calories from refined sugars is not going to be a good idea but having pasta/bread/potatoes/rice/etc as a sizeable part of your diet would seem sensible.
They have been the staple diet of a lot of people for a long time.

 

[Ancalagon44]

Sorry about the country mix up.

I think the problem is that people just lump all carbs together in the "carbs are bad" approach.
Obviously getting most of your calories from refined sugars is not going to be a good idea but having pasta/bread/potatoes/rice/etc as a sizeable part of your diet would seem sensible.
They have been the staple diet of a lot of people for a long time.

And there is a reason why Italian people who tend to eat a lot of pasta, tend to be heavier. People eat carbs as staple because they are filling, tasty and cheap, not because they are good for you.

 

[mikeymikec]

I think the problem is that people just lump all carbs together in the "carbs are bad" approach.
Obviously getting most of your calories from refined sugars is not going to be a good idea but having pasta/bread/potatoes/rice/etc as a sizeable part of your diet would seem sensible.
They have been the staple diet of a lot of people for a long time.

What's been going on in society from around WW2 complicates the picture though - pre and during WW2, people generally couldn't afford more nutritional foods as well as food in general, so high-carb food is better than no food at all (and it's not really a huge problem if you can't over-eat). That culture would have affected a few future generations into eating a greater amount of carbs despite the budget changing drastically and the flow of food coming in from cheaper sources.

Meat went from a more expensive, almost luxury food to a staple part of the diet, so increased meat and increased carbs at the expense of vegetables (because people generally like to demonstrate that they can afford nice things, even if that's just to themselves).

Somewhere along the way, the pace of society changed up a gear and everyone is in a hurry to eat something quick (as opposed to something good quality that takes longer to prepare).

A lot of people then lost/forgot/never passed on the skills required to prepare a decent meal and so are resorting to low quality stuff from the frozen aisle.

 

[nehalem256]

America has massive weight problems, and not coincidentally, carbohydrate uptake is extremely high.

Look at the following foods:
Soda/Pop/Coke (extremely high in carbs)
French Fries (pure carbs)
Hamburgers (the bun/bap whatever you call it is just bread, which is carbs)
Candy (duh)
Pizza (carbohydrate base)

Sure, in countries where noodles are eaten a lot, like Japan, people are still skinny. But how much do they eat? What size are the portions?

So you mean portion control helps keep you skinny

Also you do realize that French Fries are cooked in pure fat and are actual quite high in fat.

South Africans like me do eat a lot of meat incidentally, but yes I get your point, Americans do too.

However, if you added up the total calorie contribution from carbs, fat and meat, I would get that for most overweight people, carbs will be sitting over 50%. Meat maybe 25% maximum.

Probably because its easy to forget to "count" carbs. People don't tend to just whip out a steak to start snacking on. Whereas there are plenty of carby snacks(soda, candy, etc) that you can quickly eat without seeming like you ate much.

 

[MasterOfUsers]

Not completely true. Some bodies are better at absorbing nutrients than others. For example, some who are lactose intolerant will just flush everything straight down and might even lose weight.

And if you set yourself on fire you'll expend a sheitload of fat in a very short amount of time but just like someone who is lactose intolerant won't eat something high in lactose you will probably not set yourself on fire to lose weight either. Let's stick with the base facts here, calories ingested versus calories expended means you will lose or gain weight, this is true for everyone who doesn't puke up the ingested calories, use laxatives or are allergic to the food they are eating.

Then there is the fact that not all calories are created equal. 100 calories of consume fat from a steak will transfer almost entirely into used calories or stored calories. 100 calories of spinich on the other hand will probabaly net you less than 20 as there is a huge overhead for your body to convert it plus all the fiber that yield no calories

If you fill your daily need with the calories from steak and then eat a lot of spinach that will inevitably be converted into fat. The body doesn't really care too much where the energy components in your blood come from, it will use them or store them regardless of where they are from.

And no, you don't spend 80% of the calories from spinach to process the food, you may expend 1-3% on some nuts but that is as high as it gets.

 

[MasterOfUsers]

There is a difference in the amount of fat stored based on the type of calories consumed. However, positivedoppler has it wrong - steak is actually pretty healthy because it has zero carbs.

Anything with carbs in it is going to cause an insulin spike. Insulin is the hormone which causes your body to store excess energy as fat. Eat a low carb diet, ie steak and spinach, and your insulin does not spike, meaning you dont get as hungry. Insulin also controls when you feel hungry, which means that if you eat carbs, you will feel hungry again sooner.

There is a reason why people tend to lose weight on low carb diets, such as the Atkins diet. Its not a myth.

Apart from this being COMPLETE BS it's also a dangerous piece of crappy information. High fat diets WILL force your muscles to burn ... themselves.

See muscles can't use ketones for fuel so fat isn't being used for fuel except by your brain, all other fuel comes from muscle tissue being broken down because amino acids CAN be converted into glucose (some of them).

High amounts of saturated fats will also inevitably lower your insulin sensitivity causing your body to produce MORE insulin.

It's been a cute trend but a better option is to eat normally but less and if you are seriously obese, fasting two days a week is a great idea.

This idea of "being hungry" because you have low glucose levels isn't really something someone who isn't morbidly obese with a severe case of type II diabetes has to worry about, it's much more likely that you will overeat from a saturated fat -- carbohydrates from starch combo.