The Next Frontier in Social Justice: Fattitude

[Nebor]

That's false, or at least a claim that is up for debate. There is evidence that people make a choice to be gay, and there is evidence that people are born fat too.

93% of women who call themselves lesbians have had sex with men. Was that not a choice?

How about babies being born overweight? According to the CDC, babies that are born over 8 pounds 10 ounces run a greater chance of growing up to be obese. And there has been research that shows people can get fat from genetic mutations.

No, they were likely all raped. What kind of social justice warrior are you? Don't you know anything?

 

[Nebor]

 

[surfsatwerk]

That's a big suit.

 

[WelshBloke]

Okay, okay we get it. Americans dont eat too much. There's no problem with obesity. All the fat people: not their fault. They all have thyroid conditions. Or were born that way. Or big boned.

Or mutants.


Got it.

That's the thing that gets me.

OK society changes, we completely accept that morbid obesity is fine and it's not the persons fault for being fat, indeed there's nothing to be at fault for, being a land whale is a perfectly acceptable life choice.

But, you'll still die early from heart disease and strokes, your joints will give out earlier, you won't be able to play sports with your kids without people calling an ambulance...

Acceptance of an unhealthy lifestyle doesn't make that lifestyle any more healthy.

 

[highland145]

That's a big suit.

Black so it's slimming. Go figure.

 

[mikeymikec]

Acceptance of an unhealthy lifestyle doesn't make that lifestyle any more healthy.

Agreed, but if the general populous put down their armchair degrees in medical science, stop shaming people for possibly incorrect reasons and thus encouraging them to continue making incorrect choices (inc. choices with the best intentions), it's only going to help the situation. People should seek professional advice for their specific problems.

I for example have a diagnosed chronic health condition. I've been told by the specialists that I need to gain weight (I have a normal healthy BMI btw, I look a bit skinny IMO) so I can handle the worst scenarios that condition has to offer, however I can't put on weight using the standard food types that most people inadvertently gain weight with (say high fat foods, refined/processed foods, dairy, the list goes on). It's amazing how many average people with no knowledge of the condition reckon that they have the easy answer for me, and also how they express disbelief when I say that I can't eat certain things without problems arising.

IMO, if one is asked for their unqualified opinion regarding someone else's body shape/weight, they should give it with a truthful disclaimer. If not, they should keep their opinions to themselves.

I sometimes experience trepidation regarding reaching the goal that the specialists want me to reach, because then I will no longer look that ideal in terms of shape and idiots will begin to judge me based on that.

Furthermore, people who aren't the ideal shape that society deems them to be are probably beating themselves up over it already because they've grown up in an "it's OK to make ignorant judgements" culture, I very much doubt that they need anyone else to help them. If both of those elements truly and generally helped, obesity wouldn't be as widespread as it is.

 

[WelshBloke]

...

But this thread is about the whole "fat acceptance" thing which is the whole "fat is my choice and it's as good as thin". Yeah it's your choice but don't pretend it's in any way a "good" choice.
The whole "it's not my fault, I have no power over it" thing is really dangerous as well. OK there might be a (very) small minority that have a medical condition that affects their weight but even then to argue that they are powerless is deeply unhelpful.

In short people need to take control over their health regardless of how hard it is, making excuses about it might get you out of doing anything but they won't get you out of the consequences of not doing anything.

 

[surfsatwerk]

If both of those elements truly and generally helped, obesity wouldn't be as widespread as it is.

I don't think any of it is about "helping" them. I think it's about expressing disgust and annoyance.

 

[Newell Steamer]

The video sites Disney villains as being by default fat. Not the case for Cruella Deville, Maleficent and a few others. In fact, the thin villians are noted as being pure evil in these movies.

Ursula - steals a mermaid's voice.
Cruella Deville - wants to skin 101 puppies and wear their flesh as a coat.

And, Cruella is even NAMED as something terrible!!

But, the fat people are being selective about their argument - which seems to be the only facet of their lives they actually are selective about; clearing their name as being at fault for being fat.

Fuck them, and all selective contradictory creeps - because they are miserable awful sacks of shit.

 

[fleshconsumed]

The video sites Disney villains as being by default fat. Not the case for Cruella Deville, Maleficent and a few others. In fact, the thin villians are noted as being pure evil in these movies.

ROFL, you're actually right. I went through the list of animated disney movies on wikipedia and thin/muscular villains outnumber fat ones 5 to 1. Fat villains in Disney movies are actually a rarity.

EDIT: oh yeah, and I totally forgot that the trailer used "Shrek" as an example. Akhem... The villain in that movie, Lord Farquaad is skinny, and the protagonists, Shrek and Fiona are not only both fat, but the whole moral of the story is acceptance of yourself as you are.

 

[artvscommerce]

If you won't pork a fatty then you're a despicable, misogynistic racist.

EDIT: Link to actual blog

Does anyone happen to know if this blog is real? I feel like there's no way she can really believe this stuff.

 

[Mursilis]

I was thinking of this thread when I saw an item in my local paper about the average amount of TV being watched per week. The paper stated the average was 27.9 hours/week, which works out to just under 4 hours/day. Wow. I had no idea it was that high. That's a huge amount of time to spend sitting on your rear doing nothing physical. It really makes me wonder when I hear the "no time to exercise" excuse from so many people.

 

[Subyman]

Is the OP a joke?

Less calories doesn't equal losing weight? So I guess the ether is what causes being fat or maybe your house is on a leyline.

FWIW, eating less has always worked for me when I feel like I've put on a few, maybe that's a fluke.

I'm guessing artificial knees in your 40's isn't unhealthy.

 

[mikeymikec]

I don't think any of it is about "helping" them. I think it's about expressing disgust and annoyance.

And ignorance, for the reasons I already specified.

@ WelshBloke

If they're happy the way they are, that's their choice.

 

[Thebobo]

Scientists discover why thin people dislike fat people

I say its becuadse they are assholes but this article says its in your genitics and that you can't help it. So I forgive you, this time.

by COLIN FERNANDEZ
Last updated at 09:07 30 July 2007

From playground taunts to discrimination at work, prejudice is a fact of life for millions who are overweight.

Now scientists claim to have discovered why.

While it will be of little comfort to anyone who has been bullied over their weight, it is suggested that thinner humans have an inbuilt dislike of fat people because of ancient fears that they may be diseased.

Researchers found that the mere sight of someone who is overweight can trigger feelings of disgust and nausea similar to encountering rotten food.
The research, reported in the journal Evolution and Human Behaviour, claims that our brains have evolved to react to outward signs of disease, such as rashes and wounds, because bacteria and viruses are invisible.

Unfortunately, these signals also include excessive body fat.

"Antipathy towards obese people is a powerful and pervasive prejudice in many contemporary populations," said the team from the University of British Columbia.
"Our results reveal, for the first time, that this prejudice may be rooted in multiple, independent mechanisms."

A questionnaire found that feelings of disgust towards the obese were strongest in people with the greatest fear of disease.

Those who agreed with comments such as "it really bothers me when people sneeze without covering their mouths" were more likely to agree with statements such as "if I were an employer looking to hire, I might avoid hiring a fat person".
Last night, TV presenter-Anne Diamond, who helps people conquer obesity after briefly ballooning to 14st 9lb herself, said: "The research sounds reasonable enough I suppose; obesity is unhealthy and if there is something in us that helps us avoid ill health I can understand that.

"But I don't believe that in the 21st century we can use it as an excuse for prejudice.

"Obesity is an illness, but something becoming so common that it will soon be the norm."

 

[Newell Steamer]

EDIT: oh yeah, and I totally forgot that the trailer used "Shrek" as an example. Akhem... The villain in that movie, Lord Farquaad is skinny, and the protagonists, Shrek and Fiona are not only both fat, but the whole moral of the story is acceptance of yourself as you are.

Boom.

Fat shaming not found.

Thanks.

 

[TechBoyJK]

I don't think any of it is about "helping" them. I think it's about expressing disgust and annoyance.

Honestly, when I'm riding the metrolink home, and a stinky, sweaty land whale tries to sit down next to me and the seat isn't big enough, and insists on sitting there, it's disgusting and incredibly annoying.

 

[nehalem256]

Scientists discover why thin people dislike fat people

I say its becuadse they are assholes but this article says its in your genitics and that you can't help it. So I forgive you, this time.

Also they will eat all your tribes food.

I mean why wouldn't you dislike the guy who eats enough for 3 productive men and contributes nothing to your tribe?:hmm:

It also nicely explains why fat women are less attractive. Mating with diseased women seems counterproductive from an evolutionary stand point.

 

[nehalem256]

Honestly, when I'm riding the metrolink home, and a stinky, sweaty land whale tries to sit down next to me and the seat isn't big enough, and insists on sitting there, it's disgusting and incredibly annoying.

Perhaps it is time to make them sit at the back of the bus. Or if there is insufficient room they should be required to yield their seats(plural intended) to healthy weight individuals.

As a bonus the added walking and standing may help them lose weight.

 

[Munky]

Why is anyone still taking feminist gospel seriously??

 

[surfsatwerk]

Honestly, when I'm riding the metrolink home, and a stinky, sweaty land whale tries to sit down next to me and the seat isn't big enough, and insists on sitting there, it's disgusting and incredibly annoying.

Damn near every time I'm at the grocery store I get one blocking up the whole aisle. Apparently being bigger than 4 or 5 normal people makes you deaf because they don't budge until I drop the veil of courtesy and shoulder my way past them.

 

[WelshBloke]

@ WelshBloke

If they're happy the way they are, that's their choice.

I get that and its fair enough.

Whats not fair enough is that being happy with it now wont make the nasty things that it does to your body later on not happen.

There seems to be a denying of reality that goes along with the fat acceptance movement that sticks in my craw.
Fair enough if youre fat and happy but you really shouldnt pretend that stopping people from saying nasty things to you will stop you from getting, say, horribly infected skin ulcers (or any other horrible, life shortening nasty).

 

[Nebor]

And ignorance, for the reasons I already specified.

@ WelshBloke

If they're happy the way they are, that's their choice.

Wait, they get to be happy with their choice, but I don't get to be unhappy with it? Fuck that. We have every right to ridicule, shame and humiliate fatties. Personally, for my part, it's coming from a good place. I hope they prove me wrong and lose the weight so they can be healthy, attractive people.

Everything that everyone does is not ok. Everyone just needs to let that one go. Everyone is perfectly entitled to judge everyone else however they like. If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen (literal kitchen for fatties.)

 

[rpanic]

Over the last 10 years the obese people have taken over my office. It’s really sad they reinforce each other’s bad habits and I think that they give each other a false sense of reality. I would say that 80-90% of the women are morbidly obese. Some of them are in there 20s and 30s and have children and I think how sad it will be for their kids because most of them will have serious medical issues so early and will be to handicapped to even play with their grandkids if they live that long. The only time I go into our break room is to wash an apple or get some hot water for my oatmeal, and I sometimes get the comment “is that all your eating” , while they eat their 3000 calorie feast for lunch.

At my kids school there are so many fat kids, when I was a kid maybe there was that one fat kid that probably did have some sort of real medical issue that contributed to his weight. Our society is getting out of control something has to change.

 

[Thebobo]

Wait, they get to be happy with their choice, but I don't get to be unhappy with it? Fuck that. We have every right to ridicule, shame and humiliate fatties.

Seriously why would you stress out about it something you have no control over, its stupid. You'll probably die of a heart attack before the fat persons you are spazzing about does. Shaming folks does not make them lose weight. So why continue to do it? You enjoy bullying people? To make yourself feel superior?

But I don't know what I am trying to be reasonable with you you have proven yourself to be an annoying immature prick. Maybe when you grow up we can chat, we'll both laugh at what a douchebag you were.