The Next Frontier in Social Justice: Fattitude

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piasabird

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So if you suffer for dyslexia it is a disease but if you are FAT it is not a disease. On the other hand Diabetes is a disease and it can destroy your organs. The good thing is it can be controlled.

So why are we still selling Easter Candy?
 

piasabird

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Should fat people go into stores and wreck all the candy displays? It is biological warfare. All candy should be put under the counter.
 

unokitty

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Looks like an inequality to me.

Isn't one of the political parties planning on making inequality a major campaign issue?

Uno
 

1prophet

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So if you suffer for dyslexia it is a disease but if you are FAT it is not a disease. On the other hand Diabetes is a disease and it can destroy your organs. The good thing is it can be controlled.

So why are we still selling Easter Candy?


They were selling easter candy in the 60's and 70's, along with lots of high calorie, high fat foods just before all the low no fat diet food nonsense you see today.

We were so slim in the Seventies...


Food and lifestyles have changed enormously in 35 years. But, as obesity threatens the nation's health, Judith Woods says we should take a step backwards


Anyone tuning into the first part of the BBC's fascinating history of travel and holiday programmes this week would have been carried aloft on a glorious wave of nostalgia. The Way We Travelled gave us snapshots of times past, Alan Whicker hacking through jungles in his double-breasted blazer, and footage of Britons abroad spanning the past five decades.

It was the Seventies beach scenes that struck me in particular. The people looked so different, although I couldn't quite put my finger on what it was that so consigned them to an earlier age. On closer analysis I realised it had nothing to do with the vintage swimwear, or the mullet hairstyles and perms – it was their body shape.



The women's curves were more toned and the men's middle-aged spread was modest. There was no sign of the huge beached sunbathers that are part and parcel of any seaside scene today. No folds of dimpled flesh hanging over trunks or bikini bottoms, no acres of cellulite or pitifully fat children waddling down to the sea.



How can this be when studies suggest that the British consumed on average 20 per cent more calories in 1977 than they did in 1997? Thirty years ago, stodgy cooked breakfasts were the norm and the consumption of red meat was twice as high as it is today.




Now though, according to official figures, almost a quarter of adults are obese. More alarming is the fact that, as the influential Public Accounts Committee made clear this week, one in seven primary school children is at risk of serious health problems due to obesity. A generation of telly tubbies, reared on a diet of fizzy drinks and processed food, is in danger of developing high blood pressure, heart disease and diabetes by their late teens.



And, in a terrible twist of nature, scientists are predicting that high numbers of children will die before their own parents, paying the ultimate price for overeating and sedentary lifestyles.


When the majority of these children's parents were growing up, in the Seventies, obesity was considered to be a rare affliction. So why are so many of us, and children in particular, becoming grossly overweight?


"One of the key problems is a lack of exercise, coupled with the fact that high-calorie food is so freely available to children," according to Tom Saunders, professor of dietetics at Kings College University, London. "I remember coming home from primary school and scouring the larder for something to eat – once I drank vinegar because I was so hungry. These days, children just go to the fridge, take out a ready meal and pop it in the microwave.


"Some parents are very weak about letting their kids eat what they want when they want it. You have to negotiate with children, you can't give them a free rein to snack all day and drink three cans of fizzy drinks. The responsibility rests with the parents, who should be sitting down with them and eating at the table. Ensuring your child isn't greedy is an important part of social control."


So the reason we are getting larger, although we are consuming fewer calories than in the Seventies, is simply because we are expending much less energy than is healthy or desirable. We fluff up the duvet with a flick of a wrist rather than making the bed; when we go shopping we take it for granted that an escalator will carry us up to the next floor, and at work we take lifts rather than the stairs. We drive to the station or take the bus rather than walk. We spend more on taxis. Our children are driven to school and spend their free time watching television, playing computer games or MSN-ing each other, instead of running around outside.


Genetics play a role but only in conjunction with lifestyle. The so-called obesity gene GAD2 has been shown to be more common in a particular form in obese people than the non-obese. People who carry GAD2 are more susceptible to overeating, especially when factors such as depression, stress and social and economic deprivation are at play.


Of course, the sort of food we eat has changed enormously since the Seventies. Although new-fangled food technology was beginning to gain wide appeal then, with Smash, boil-in-the-bag rice and Findus Crispy Pancakes seen as the height of culinary daring, meat and two veg was the standard evening meal. It was nutritious and satisfying.



In 2007, the national diet veers towards convenience foods: sandwiches, and fast food, Indian takeaways and Chinese ready meals – a gastronomic legacy of all those travel programmes. Between 1980 and 1999, the average preparation time for a meal fell from an hour to 20 minutes. The figure for today doesn't bear thinking about.


The highly processed foods we eat now are packed with sugar, which is used as a flavour enhancer. Fizzy drinks are calorie-laden but they don't sate the appetite, so it's easy to overconsume them. The picture is similar for foods containing sweeteners, which are added as flavour enhancers, and ingredients such as corn syrup, which also bulks up food and enhances texture.


"People who eat more fruit and vegetables tend to eat less food, because these things are quite filling," says Kath Dalmeny, deputy co-ordinator of the food pressure group Sustain. "Sugary foods have a high glycaemic index, which means they cause a rapid rise in blood-sugar levels, followed by a drop. This sharp rise and fall causes cravings for more food, and creates a tendency to over-eat. Vegetables tend to have a low glycaemic index so they cause a slow steady rise in blood sugar levels."


Much effort has been made to find a single scapegoat for obesity, other than the obvious cause that we eat too much and do too little, albeit for a variety of individual reasons. "We're all looking for something that can be blamed, but this whole issue is more complicated than that," says Dr Toni Steer at the Human Nutrition Research Centre in Cambridge. "Diet, lifestyle, activity and social pressures all impact on what we eat."


There have been claims from American academics that products containing high-fructose corn syrup, an intense sweetener used widely in the United States and increasingly in this country, contribute to excess weight gain. Last year, a best-selling book, Fat Land, suggested that its consumption was to blame for the US's obesity epidemic, because of the way the body metabolises the fructose.


There is evidence that when this syrup, which is present in large amounts in foods ranging from cornflakes to ice-cream, soup and yogurt to soft drinks, is absorbed, it fails to trigger the release of the hormones that help to regulate both appetite and fat storage, thereby increasing hunger and storing the calories as fat.



But, according to Richard Faulks, at the Institute of Food Research in Norwich, the jury is out on whether corn syrup is a major culprit in the piling on of pounds. "It may well be a contributory factor somewhere at the edges, but the main reason for obesity is the dramatic reduction in physical exercise."


Figures from 2003 show there are more than 24.2 million obese or overweight people in Britain, due to rise 14 per cent to 27.6 million by the end of the decade. We are getting fatter, our children are getting fatter.
It's bad for our health and, squeezed into a bikini or bathing trunks, it's not a pretty sight. I wouldn't ever wish to return to tiny, snug Speedos or feather-cuts, but as we haul ourselves on to cheap flights and down to the beaches of Europe this summer, wouldn't it be nice if we could travel as light as we did in the Seventies?
 

Hayabusa Rider

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People aren't born fat, they are born black or gay.

Fat apologists usually like to trot out a facade of scientific "evidence" but then quickly fall back on their feelings once they get destroyed by everyone else.

For example, you seem to be claiming that the most basic laws of physics simply don't exist inside the human body.

Science isn't the point for fat apologists. Excusing their own bad behavior is the point. Displacing the blame is the point.

Actually there's more genetic basis for weight gain than there is for a "gay gene". If you knew anything beyond three decade old dogma you'd also know about predisposition and environmental relationships..

'Violating the laws of physics"? That went out with phrenology. Are you really going to say that two people consuming the same food have to have the same response? You'd be laughed out of the room. People aren't containers. Metabolism varies not only between people but within the individual. They respond in an incredibly complex fashion and with an enormous variability. Stop being ignorant and proud of it. The genetic interplay between metabolic factors and environment is complex and significant and far from being completely understood, but if you were a scientist, a health professional up to speed or even seriously interested and scientifically unbiased you'd already know this. You don't.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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If you can back that anecdote up with actual data, you might have a point. Otherwise, you're simply being an ignorant, hate-filled ass. Same as usual.

There's a lot of that going around. The wunderkind here are something else. We have people talking about how thin Europe is relative to Americans, but ignoring what happens when they come here and that is they gain weight. Maybe it's the long trip made them hungry? Then the 'laws of physics" people who think metabolism is uniform and fixed. There are people who "violate" their limited understanding perhaps. About a year and a half ago I was at a seminar concerning metabolic disease states and much of it involved genetic predisposition and environmental factors and what was shocking was how easy it was to push the human organism in the wrong direction and how resistant it is to losing weight. One researcher studied morbidly obese individuals and found there were those who could not lose weight. Put in constantly monitored and controlled conditions their metabolism adapted such that they wouldn't lose weight when restricted to less than a thousand calories. They became hyper efficient metabolizers. Of course this is extreme and rare, but it shows that we aren't fixed in our response to calories.

We live in a deadly environment in the sense that physiologically we're still cave men wandering 20 miles a day foraging for scarce calories, but we face societal and psychological pressures which are suicidal. All I have to do to these superior humans here to make them gain weight is to increase their sleep deficit, or just disturb it. and that's just the start of what they can be manipulated into. To them though it's so simple, but curiously no credible expert thinks that way.
 

AViking

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I truly don't understand why you are still spouting this garbage. IT IS UNDERSTOOD. People gain weight when they consume more calories than they burn off. Different metabolisms do come into play so some of us will have to exercise more than others and control their eating more than others. However the basic equation stays the same.

Eat too much? You will either expand fat cells or create new ones. Burn off excess calories? These will shrink and you will lose weight.
 

WelshBloke

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I always shocked my friends when they came over to visit me in the US by taking them to Outback Steakhouse. Those portions are enough to feed the average European for 3 days.

This. The portion sizes you guys have are ridiculously big. Plus you drive everywhere.

I don't think that you lot realise how much more you eat than "thinner" nations.
 

AViking

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They have no clue.

In America portion sizes have doubled or probably tripled in size since when I was a kid.

The National Institute of Health estimates that Americans eating these giant portions could consume HALF A MILLION more calories per year than we did a few decades ago.

Let me translate that to pounds. It's about 3,500 calories per pound. That means you might have to burn off an extra 142 lbs a year compared to your parents. Now of course most people are not eating out all the time and can have smaller portions at home but if you were to eat out 10% of the time you will basically be fighting against 14 lbs of extra weight EACH YEAR!

The key is less calories and more exercise.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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This. The portion sizes you guys have are ridiculously big. Plus you drive everywhere.

I don't think that you lot realise how much more you eat than "thinner" nations.

The first is true and the second applies sometimes as we're more spread out. Those are two factors. Now if you guys are so above us here why do you gain weight once you move here? Why don't your kids look like there cousins back in the EU?

Exercise more eat less. OK let's end poverty and crime. Get a job and don't do bad things. So why isn't it that easy? The facts on the ground shows it isn't.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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I truly don't understand why you are still spouting this garbage. IT IS UNDERSTOOD. People gain weight when they consume more calories than they burn off. Different metabolisms do come into play so some of us will have to exercise more than others and control their eating more than others. However the basic equation stays the same.

Eat too m? You will either expand fat cells or create new ones. Burn off excess calories? These will shrink and you will lose weight.

Water is wet. Thank you. Completely useless and doesn't do a damn thing, but water is wet. Doesn't take societal and economic pressures that make it virtually impossible for many to effectively deal with. You don't have a clue as to how hardwired people are regarding food and asking people who by virtue of their generously given mandate to eat will do so. You would to and that's the vexing thing. You might as well say "well I'm not gay so that's the answer. Stop being gay." In this society at this time you'd be ostracised but you can look down your ignorant nose and be at least as bad. Don't want. Abstinence only is infinity more doable.
 

AViking

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I have lived in the USA for something crazy like 35 years. I don't see how you can say that what I am saying is useless. Economic pressures? A bag of rice and some chicken will yield you more food and healthier food than fast food. People need to stop being lazy and cook. Holy shit it's not that hard to turn on the oven, throw in some meat and vegetables in a clay pot, and voila pull it out when the timer rings. Unless you're homeless you can afford to turn your oven or stove on, buy raw foods, and cook 5 days a week.

The problem is that people are fucking lazy and have no idea how to manage their time, money, or health. It's definitely not made any easier by the people around them telling them it's ok to be fat or even obese. IT IS NOT OK!

Don't want to be fat? Don't eat so damn much. Exercise and don't be lazy.

Swedes eat the most candy of any country in the world. This time of year, Easter, they consume crazy amounts. I've definitely put on a few pounds. I'm at least honest about it though.
 

Murloc

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The first is true and the second applies sometimes as we're more spread out. Those are two factors. Now if you guys are so above us here why do you gain weight once you move here? Why don't your kids look like there cousins back in the EU?

Exercise more eat less. OK let's end poverty and crime. Get a job and don't do bad things. So why isn't it that easy? The facts on the ground shows it isn't.
because europeans who move to the US end up eating the same stuff when eating out and living in the same city and thus driving the same amount as the locals. They go to the same supermarkets that sell the same products. It takes a conscious effort to not integrate in this part of the culture, some don't care.

Anyway a fat society can put itself on a diet with nazi-like but necessary policies. Like a heavy tax on sodas, and a total ban on the sale and distribution of anything that is not water in schools and other public areas controlled by the state. Also ban fries from schools.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Don't want to be fat? Don't eat so damn much

Don't want to be gay, don't be! Don't want to be poor get a job!

That you lived in ignorance of scientific facts doesn't change anything. Exactly how much time have you spent becoming educated? None. ******s are criminals, and I bet you know what that blanked out word is. Well yes they are using your limited reasoning. The statistics "prove" it. If they weren't so shiftless and lazy there would be no poverty. And stupid! Oh yeah, you are so right there! Of course you are ignoring everything going on, but basically you are saying blacks are shiftless and lazy and it's their fault. Oh, but no, you would never say that about blacks because you'd be banned from the forum in oh, 10 seconds, but you can be as ignorant, cruel and spiteful if you omit race. How nice.

In the meantime I'll remember this conversation and use it as an example at the medical conference on the topic. Unfortunately you'll not be the only case.

I'm done with this bigoted thread.
 

WelshBloke

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I'm done with this bigoted thread.

I'm not sure that it's particularly bigoted to state that if you want to lose weight then eat less and exercise more.

Obesity is a genuine health threat and people should be encouraged to act rather than be told that it's not their fault and to just accept it.
 

BoberFett

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Actually there's more genetic basis for weight gain than there is for a "gay gene". If you knew anything beyond three decade old dogma you'd also know about predisposition and environmental relationships.

Predisposition does not negate the need for self control, it amplifies it.
 

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95 posts and I'm still trying to figure out of this thread is a complex, multi-poster, coordinated troll thread or not. This discussion can't be serious, can it?
 

unokitty

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95 posts and I'm still trying to figure out of this thread is a complex, multi-poster, coordinated troll thread or not. This discussion can't be serious, can it?
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... every American is fully equal, meaning that no one is smarter, better-looking, stronger, or faster than anyone else. The Handicapper General and a team of agents ensure that the laws of equality are enforced. The government forces citizens to wear "handicaps" (a mask if they are too handsome or beautiful, earphones with deafening radio signals to make intelligent people unable to concentrate and form thoughts, and heavy weights to slow down those who are too strong or fast).


If you were a social justice warrior, you would know that the President takes inequality seriously. And, with or without Congress, he will be taking action soon...

Your denial will not save you!

Uno
 

Nebor

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I truly don't understand why you are still spouting this garbage. IT IS UNDERSTOOD. People gain weight when they consume more calories than they burn off. Different metabolisms do come into play so some of us will have to exercise more than others and control their eating more than others. However the basic equation stays the same.

Eat too much? You will either expand fat cells or create new ones. Burn off excess calories? These will shrink and you will lose weight.

It's really that simple.

Fatties want to focus in on inconsequential red herrings like thyroid conditions or small differences in metabolic processes, but everyone in the world understands that if you want to weigh less you need to move more and eat less.

Notice that these common sense posts get ignored by the fatty brigade.
 

Nebor

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Water is wet. Thank you. Completely useless and doesn't do a damn thing, but water is wet. Doesn't take societal and economic pressures that make it virtually impossible for many to effectively deal with. You don't have a clue as to how hardwired people are regarding food and asking people who by virtue of their generously given mandate to eat will do so. You would to and that's the vexing thing. You might as well say "well I'm not gay so that's the answer. Stop being gay." In this society at this time you'd be ostracised but you can look down your ignorant nose and be at least as bad. Don't want. Abstinence only is infinity more doable.

You're a joke. I've never seen such ridiculous, circuitous rationalization come from a man before. You are responsible for your actions and your body. If you want to be better, make yourself better. Don't blame other people for it. Don't say that society makes you act a certain way.

Your repeated attempts to link fatness to being gay or black are laughably transparent and weak. You are weak.
 

Nebor

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I've lost some weight over the past year due to being busy and not prioritizing eating. I've still been working out (usually run 10 miles per day in the morning or evening) but I'd been skipping the gym. So as a 6'2" guy I'd dropped down to 173lbs!

So naturally, I started looking to blame my employer, my friends and my family for keeping me too busy to eat. I mean, it's basically societies fault, right? No.

I engaged in a vigorous force feeding regimen that centers around a gallon of milk a day. I purposely order the largest portions I can for every meal (I eat out virtually every meal every day) and force myself to eat it all. It is not pleasant. I don't enjoy it. I've also gotten far stricter in going to the gym every night and lifting heavy weights. Again, not something I enjoy. I've cut my running down to 5k 4 days a week and 10 miles 2 days a week. I enjoy running, and I'm doing less of it. Woe is me, right? In 3 months I've gained 20lbs. Hard work and dedication have paid off. Shocking, right? My plan is to keep gaining until I hit 210lbs then cut back down to 200lbs. I'm absolutely confident that I can do that, because I have a plan, I have motivation and I have willpower.

The glorification of failure & weakness that is "fat acceptance" makes me sick. When did we as a country decide that it's better to idealize failure and "good enough" instead of success? Do you think our society today could dream the impossible and put men on the moon? Or would someone say we were "space shaming" the other nations?