The Next Frontier in Social Justice: Fattitude

[AViking]

Growth hormones being the reason?

When I'm in the US the portions are probably 2-3 times as large. In addition Americans tend to eat a lot of fast food. On top of that they tend to drink a lot of soda. I always shocked my friends when they came over to visit me in the US by taking them to Outback Steakhouse. Those portions are enough to feed the average European for 3 days.

Americans also tend to eat things that are high in calories but that they consume a lot of. Those large hard pretzels you buy in the store are 100 calories each. Eat 4 of those a day, plus soda, plus 2 meals that are twice as large as what I eat, drive everywhere, be too lazy to walk to the corner store, circle the parking garage for 10 minutes rather than walk, not go to the gym, etc and of course you're going to be fat.

Excuses. Far too many excuses in this thread. If you're fat it's because you are not putting the effort into losing weight.

 

[BoberFett]

You are an asshole

Truth hurts, eh?

 

[HOSED]

Disgusting that this is even real, with all of the health problems that obesity causes. We live in a world being taken over by gluttony.

Maybe there is concern about Food Riots and Famine, so LOAD UP LARD A$$es http://traynes.com/nyc/food-riots-in-the-usa-2014
Disclaimer there is a dis against McCain, I did not write this article but I do condone its contents!

 

[JManInPhoenix]

Perhaps this would help with obesity
:hmm:
http://www.infowarsshop.com/Survive2Thrive-Organic-Food-Supply_p_687.html

 

[zephyrprime]

Additives and growth hormones in food have an effect as well. Every time I work several months in Southeast Asia I lose 25 to 30 pounds and eat as much as I do in the US.

May I ask how much do you weight that you can lose that much in only a few months?

 

[Thebobo]

Truth hurts, eh?

Yes the sad truth that people like him love to relish in other peoples problems, it makes them feel better about themselves and gives them a sense of selfworth.

Bravo! asshole.

 

[Nebor]

Yes the sad truth that people like him love to relish in other peoples problems, it makes them feel better about themselves and gives them a sense of selfworth.

Bravo! asshole.

As opposed to the people we're picking on, who love to relish in actual relish.

 

[Thebobo]

As opposed to the people we're picking on, who love to relish in actual relish.

Ok that was funny

 

[nehalem256]

Yes the sad truth that people like him love to relish in other peoples problems, it makes them feel better about themselves and gives them a sense of selfworth.

Bravo! asshole.

Right. Some guy eats daily enough food to feed 5 people and we are the ones who have problems

 

[bradly1101]

Would you consider her obesity to be the result of an addiction? To food of course.

Assuming you say yes, I believe that overeating is an addictive behavior. There are reasons for it, but it is based in addiction. For the overweight, it's not as simple as cutting back, exercising, etc.

Yes and she believed it was too. It's an addiction with no possibility of going 'cold turkey'. I don't know all the psychology about it, but I know it's a deadly addiction.

 

[Bowfinger]

First, I don't know if I'd call 45+ pounds "a few extra", but whatever.

Compared to those who are extremely obese, 100 pounds or more overweight (or however the doctors define it). I'm not trying to minimize your accomplishment at all. Congratulations on your success. As I said, diet and exercise are indeed the key for those who are only moderately overweight. It's the really big folks who reportedly have far more complex issues.

As for your cited studies, links please.

Why? Will you read them? Are you truly interested in learning more, or just trying to change the subject? I didn't save them (and some are undoubtedly dead tree material), but I could probably Google them ... as could you.

I will dig around if I have time, but you don't have to wait for me.

 

[OverVolt]

Its also the food supply. Nobody knows how to cook anymore. You can't survive on hotpockets, frozen pizza, canned beans, potato chips and cake from a box, pre-seasoned rice from a box and so on, but thats all I see people buying at the grocery store.

Nobody knows how to cook vegetables anymore. My girlfriend didn't know how to use a vegetable steamer in a 2 Qt sauce pot. The food they serve in restaurants is no better. Mostly comes pre-preppared in plastic bags and microwaved. Much like how you can buy pulled pork in a bag and microwave it.

Fructose I'm fairly certain gives you a beer belly like from ethanol because both fructose and ethanol hit the liver for processing and it generally converts them to fat. The drinks aisle has basically become the "fructose aisle" since all the drinks now have like 47g of sugar per serving 55% or so of it being fructose absorbed quickly with no fiber. Thats alot of fructose. I buy those frozen juice concentrates and mix them about half strength when I want to drink something other than water.

Nobody eats fresh food. I don't really care about organic so much as eating food that is fresh. Nobody seems to bother to prepare perishables anymore judging by all the boxed food sold at Target/Walmart and how many people get their groceries there now.

 

[Bowfinger]

And for every story of some morbidly obese person that was "metabolically different" I am sure you can find 10 where this issue is over eating and not exercising. ...

If you can back that anecdote up with actual data, you might have a point. Otherwise, you're simply being an ignorant, hate-filled ass. Same as usual.

 

[nehalem256]

If you can back that anecdote up with actual data, you might have a point. Otherwise, you're simply being an ignorant, hate-filled ass. Same as usual.

What actual data have you presented?

Finally, I read that the extremely obese are metabolically different from those who merely carry a few extra pounds (like Mursilis). Diet and exercise works great for those with a few extra pounds. For the extremely obese, however, it works temporarily at best. Less than 1% of the extremely obese succeed with diet and exercise over the long term (either 3 years or 5 years, don't remember). From a medical perspective, such a complete failure rate would normally completely discredit the treatment, yet even many medical professionals cling to their old prejudices.

Even you seem to be saying that diet and exercise works to lose weight. The issue is that actually maintaining a proper diet and exercise level is hard work.

And the kind of person that gets 100+ pounds overweight has pretty much already demonstrated a complete inability to do so.

 

[OverVolt]

I think the metabolism problems are caused by fructose and alcohol personally.

http://www.health.harvard.edu/newsl...ance-of-fructose-not-good-for-the-liver-heart

More from a biochemistry standpoint IMO if you know the enzymes involved and such its pretty obvious fructose is panic-converted to fat by your liver. Inb4 corn lobby commercials about how fructose is 4 calories per gram just like glucose and thus equivalent.

http://www.jci.org/articles/view/37385/figure/6

I guess not to mention the diabetes.

http://www.jci.org/articles/view/37385

Which is epidemic right now. Presumably due to the aforementioned "fructose aisle."

One remarkable change is that the liver uses fructose, a carbohydrate, to create fat. This process is called lipogenesis. Give the liver enough fructose, and tiny fat droplets begin to accumulate in liver cells (see figure). This buildup is called nonalcoholic fatty liver disease, because it looks just like what happens in the livers of people who drink too much alcohol.

Virtually unknown before 1980, nonalcoholic fatty liver disease now affects up to 30% of adults in the United States and other developed countries, and between 70% and 90% of those who are obese or who have diabetes.

How much more obvious could it be, I mean really.

There is however alot of FUD out there on diet stuff. I do tire of it. I'm no angel myself but I'm sure as hell not going to get diabetes or become obese.

 

[TreVader]

The problem with fat people is that they're so fat





There, I said it.

 

[Mursilis]

Why? Will you read them? Are you truly interested in learning more, or just trying to change the subject? I didn't save them (and some are undoubtedly dead tree material), but I could probably Google them ... as could you.

I will dig around if I have time, but you don't have to wait for me.

I'm always interested in learning more. Knowledge beats ignorance 99.9% of the time. I've also read a fair bit on the subject already, and I know things like metabolic rate vary tremendously between individuals. I remember one study that fed a controlled diet to a group of people over a one month period. The diet was slightly above the recommended caloric intake, so all the subjects gained weight, but despite similar intake and exercise levels, the weight gain across the group had incredible variance - as little as 3 pounds for some to over 30 pounds for others! Genetics can be a bitch sometimes.

Moreover, I come from a fat family. My paternal grandfather was north of 350 most of his adult life. My father was probably around 250 or so when he died. Both were under 6 feet, and the weight was fat, not muscle mass. My brothers are all overweight to varying degrees. We all know that we have a disposition to gain weight, just like our father, grandfather, uncles, etc. But we also know how they got there - lots of rich southern cooking, with plenty of 2nd and 3rd helpings. Lots of trips to the all-you-can-eat restaurants whenever grandpa was in town. Lots of sitting around watching TV, with little to no exercise. It's no mystery how they got there, or how I was headed there until I decided to do something else.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

May I ask how much do you weight that you can lose that much in only a few months?

250lbs.

 

[Mursilis]

Even you seem to be saying that diet and exercise works to lose weight. The issue is that actually maintaining a proper diet and exercise level is hard work.

And that's the thing - it is VERY, VERY hard work. I log my calories religiously and average ~40 miles/week just to maintain ~165. It's a pain, quite honestly, to have to be so obsessive about it, but it's either that or face increased odds of an earlier death.

 

[Strk]

What actual data have you presented?



Even you seem to be saying that diet and exercise works to lose weight. The issue is that actually maintaining a proper diet and exercise level is hard work.

And the kind of person that gets 100+ pounds overweight has pretty much already demonstrated a complete inability to do so.

The portions in the US are crazy. People also seem to eat until they're "full." I put that in quotes because you don't actually get full unless your stomach is full. Your food doesn't immediately enter your stomach.

There are also so many empty calories consumed. Soda and fruit drinks are terrible. My personal favorite is people chugging away on Gatorade. Sure, the electrolytes are nice when you're doing some physical activity, but if you're just sitting at your computer, it's just another sugary drink.

 

[BoberFett]

I think the metabolism problems are caused by fructose and alcohol personally.

The science behind it might be sound, however that does not excuse people from their responsibility to avoid poor behavior.

If you're overweight, drinking an entire 2L bottle of pop chock full of HFCS is not being responsible, and not a medical condition. The metabolic process that converted the HFCS to fat might be science, but gluttony is still to blame.

 

[MagickMan]

Junk foods and sodas need to be treated like cigarettes and they should be disallowed for purchase with SNAP/EBT. That would fix a lot of problems, right there. If a pack of Ho-hos were $6 you'd see a lot of thinner folks in the US. :hmm:

 

[HOSED]

^^^ I thought the first lady was all about healthy foods in schools ... I guess adults are exempt. But I do like your idea.
Does anyone think that obesity will increase in states where ganja is legalized? I can see it now needles for junkies, zig zag papers for the puffers. AAAAHHHH !

 

[Victorian Gray]

So those with Thyroid disease are at fault, gotcha.

A disease that, for most people, is very easily treated.

 

[Nebor]

A disease that, for most people, is very easily treated.

I already covered that. He had no response.